analogue hard disk recorders and now TV box

oilman · 26-02-2014, 22:48

Before analogue tv was switched off it was possible to buy analogue hard disk recorders. I have a couple and have not used them since the digital switch off. However one great feature of the now TV box is that it has the old fashioned composite output as an alternative to HDMI. Agreed the quality is lower but connect this to a hard disk recorder (or old VCR come to that) and you can record any of its output including all the catchup stuff. I don't know about any sky stuff though.
Beauty is my recorder also has a DVD recorder as well.

DEVONTV · 27-02-2014, 07:48

I recently bought a nowtv box and wondered whether it is possible to record to an old toshiba dvd recorder.Should i connect to recorder through the hdmi lead or connect from the nowtv box av. out to the dvd scart in ? Any advice thanks in advance .

Toen · 27-02-2014, 14:05

Interesting info thanks. Yes it would record but you would need the special lead (jack to yellow, red, white phono plugs). I have an old Liteon box that allows recording to hard drive. Nowadays there is little need to record things any more. I find streaming gives me video on demand. The Now TV movies are there without the need to record.
DVD recording is something I never do now.

captainkremmen · 27-02-2014, 18:17

HDMI on consumer electronic products cannot be used as an input for recording. It is crippled by a copy protection system called HDCP.

You can blame Hollywood for that.

You would only be able to record via the Now TV box's composite video output. Composite video is about the lowest quality analogue video format you can get, but yes, any DVD recorder should be able to record it.

A lead which has audio/composite video connectors on one end and a scart connector on the other to plug into your DVD record's input should cost less than a fiver.

Just set your DVD recorder's input to the scart input the Now TV box is connected to, and press record.

oilman · 28-02-2014, 09:31

You can actually order the right NowTV-AV cable from the Nowtv website for only £5.

Fred Smith · 28-02-2014, 09:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilman

You can actually order the right NowTV-AV cable from the Nowtv website for only £5.

Ouch, I got mine for free from Now.

Toen · 28-02-2014, 13:00

note that is a mini-jack to RCA cable. You would need a scart adapter if you do not have the yellow red and white input sockets.

oilman · 28-02-2014, 13:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Smith

Ouch, I got mine for free from Now.

the av cable? (The hdmi cable is free).

DEVONTV · 01-03-2014, 11:44

Thanks for all your advice .I connected up a camcorder 3.5mm to composite 3rca cables and am getting the sound ok but screen is displaying (recording error this program cannot be recorded message).Would a different cable make any difference . Thanks

Toen · 01-03-2014, 12:20

I wonder if there is macrovision protection on the video output. This is to prevent recording of movies.

azimo · 01-03-2014, 14:50

The output from the NowTV box is NTSC and most DVD Recorders won't record NTSC, I have 6 DVD Recorders and only 1 can record a NTSC.

captainkremmen · 02-03-2014, 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEVONTV

Thanks for all your advice .I connected up a camcorder 3.5mm to composite 3rca cables and am getting the sound ok but screen is displaying (recording error this program cannot be recorded message).Would a different cable make any difference . Thanks

Sounds like some form of copy protection, possible Macrovision.

Check the manual, it should have some paragraph about Macrovision, if not look for something about portions of software from Rovi Corporation (their new name). If Rovi Corporation are mentioned, then the box probably has Macrovision copy protection on the analogue outputs.

captainkremmen · 02-03-2014, 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by azimo

The output from the NowTV box is NTSC and most DVD Recorders won't record NTSC, I have 6 DVD Recorders and only 1 can record a NTSC.

Are you sure that cannot be changed?.

I would be very surprised if standard UK PAL output was not available, given this box is specifically aimed at the UK market.

Toen · 02-03-2014, 14:26

Have look at this for cable info.

http://community.nowtv.com/t5/NOW-TV...uy/td-p/155660

oilman · 04-03-2014, 09:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by captainkremmen

Are you sure that cannot be changed?.

I would be very surprised if standard UK PAL output was not available, given this box is specifically aimed at the UK market.

It definitely is only NTSC. Not surprising really as it is only a cutdown ROKU box popular in US.

SKY just saw an opportunity to ship them in cheap from US as they had HDMI and nearly all modern UK TVS would allow HDMI (NTSC/PAL does not really apply on HDMI),

Had Sky had to develop a PAL version, costs would be much higher presumably.

26-02-2014, 22:48	#1
oilman Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,854	analogue hard disk recorders and now TV box Before analogue tv was switched off it was possible to buy analogue hard disk recorders. I have a couple and have not used them since the digital switch off. However one great feature of the now TV box is that it has the old fashioned composite output as an alternative to HDMI. Agreed the quality is lower but connect this to a hard disk recorder (or old VCR come to that) and you can record any of its output including all the catchup stuff. I don't know about any sky stuff though. Beauty is my recorder also has a DVD recorder as well.

27-02-2014, 07:48	#2
DEVONTV Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 97	I recently bought a nowtv box and wondered whether it is possible to record to an old toshiba dvd recorder.Should i connect to recorder through the hdmi lead or connect from the nowtv box av. out to the dvd scart in ? Any advice thanks in advance .

27-02-2014, 14:05	#3
Toen Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Notts Posts: 445	Interesting info thanks. Yes it would record but you would need the special lead (jack to yellow, red, white phono plugs). I have an old Liteon box that allows recording to hard drive. Nowadays there is little need to record things any more. I find streaming gives me video on demand. The Now TV movies are there without the need to record. DVD recording is something I never do now.

27-02-2014, 18:17	#4
captainkremmen Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DAVEVILLE, Daveshire DA1 1VE Posts: 33,621	HDMI on consumer electronic products cannot be used as an input for recording. It is crippled by a copy protection system called HDCP. You can blame Hollywood for that. You would only be able to record via the Now TV box's composite video output. Composite video is about the lowest quality analogue video format you can get, but yes, any DVD recorder should be able to record it. A lead which has audio/composite video connectors on one end and a scart connector on the other to plug into your DVD record's input should cost less than a fiver. Just set your DVD recorder's input to the scart input the Now TV box is connected to, and press record.

28-02-2014, 09:31	#5
oilman Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,854	You can actually order the right NowTV-AV cable from the Nowtv website for only £5.

28-02-2014, 09:36	#6
Fred Smith Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Reading Posts: 2,758	Quote: Originally Posted by oilman You can actually order the right NowTV-AV cable from the Nowtv website for only £5. Ouch, I got mine for free from Now.

28-02-2014, 13:00	#7
Toen Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Notts Posts: 445	note that is a mini-jack to RCA cable. You would need a scart adapter if you do not have the yellow red and white input sockets.

28-02-2014, 13:12	#8
oilman Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,854	Quote: Originally Posted by Fred Smith Ouch, I got mine for free from Now. the av cable? (The hdmi cable is free).

01-03-2014, 11:44	#9
DEVONTV Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 97	Thanks for all your advice .I connected up a camcorder 3.5mm to composite 3rca cables and am getting the sound ok but screen is displaying (recording error this program cannot be recorded message).Would a different cable make any difference . Thanks

01-03-2014, 12:20	#10
Toen Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Notts Posts: 445	I wonder if there is macrovision protection on the video output. This is to prevent recording of movies.

01-03-2014, 14:50	#11
azimo Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 927	The output from the NowTV box is NTSC and most DVD Recorders won't record NTSC, I have 6 DVD Recorders and only 1 can record a NTSC.

02-03-2014, 14:05	#12
captainkremmen Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DAVEVILLE, Daveshire DA1 1VE Posts: 33,621	Quote: Originally Posted by DEVONTV Thanks for all your advice .I connected up a camcorder 3.5mm to composite 3rca cables and am getting the sound ok but screen is displaying (recording error this program cannot be recorded message).Would a different cable make any difference . Thanks Sounds like some form of copy protection, possible Macrovision. Check the manual, it should have some paragraph about Macrovision, if not look for something about portions of software from Rovi Corporation (their new name). If Rovi Corporation are mentioned, then the box probably has Macrovision copy protection on the analogue outputs.

02-03-2014, 14:07	#13
captainkremmen Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: DAVEVILLE, Daveshire DA1 1VE Posts: 33,621	Quote: Originally Posted by azimo The output from the NowTV box is NTSC and most DVD Recorders won't record NTSC, I have 6 DVD Recorders and only 1 can record a NTSC. Are you sure that cannot be changed?. I would be very surprised if standard UK PAL output was not available, given this box is specifically aimed at the UK market.

02-03-2014, 14:26	#14
Toen Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Notts Posts: 445	Have look at this for cable info. http://community.nowtv.com/t5/NOW-TV...uy/td-p/155660

04-03-2014, 09:44	#15
oilman Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,854	Quote: Originally Posted by captainkremmen Are you sure that cannot be changed?. I would be very surprised if standard UK PAL output was not available, given this box is specifically aimed at the UK market. It definitely is only NTSC. Not surprising really as it is only a cutdown ROKU box popular in US. SKY just saw an opportunity to ship them in cheap from US as they had HDMI and nearly all modern UK TVS would allow HDMI (NTSC/PAL does not really apply on HDMI), Had Sky had to develop a PAL version, costs would be much higher presumably.

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