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Old 02-03-2014, 23:11
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Hayley's flying didn't have anything complicated. Simple routine and therefore it was easy for to maintain the lines that Jason was banging on about.
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Old 02-03-2014, 23:12
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Did anyone just watch the judges reactions and think "WTF"? It was good but I've seen a lot better, I felt like I'd just watched something completely different to them

As shown last week she's useless when she's not clinging to Dan like a linchpin. Im sick to the back teeth of her.
I don't agree, I think that Hayley was amazing. My husband hardly watches any of the reality shows but he even commented on how good she was.

I think that some people have a problem with Hayley because they like Beth and see her through rose tinted glasses. I am sorry but I think that the judges were kind to Beth. Most of her flying Beth had her partner holding on to her as if Beth was frightened of flying out of control. I cannot believe that this has not been mentioned about Beth's flying routine.
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Old 02-03-2014, 23:13
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How much skating did Sam, Beth, Ray do in their flying routine?
More than Hayley.

Our cat did more than Hayley when he was skating along the wooden kitchen floor during the show chasing a catnip mouse.
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Old 02-03-2014, 23:25
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There are some really bitter people on here why can't people just admit she was good !
Yes good but not perfect so why perfect 10,people on here are angry as she is picked as the winner yet she is the worst now with ray and beth
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Old 02-03-2014, 23:25
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The idea of flying is that not much skating is done by the celeb....hence the term FLYING! !!! So whats with the constant digs over Hayleys lack of skating??? We get it she doesn't do solo skating well!!
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Old 03-03-2014, 00:23
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I agreed with the full marks. Definitely the performance of the night.
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Old 03-03-2014, 00:39
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It was completely ridiculous to give Hayley those scores for DOING NO SKATING AT ALL!!
Hayley posed and acted a lot and did some turns in the air. Otherwise the wires moved her around. There' s obviously less skating in a flying routine, but it should involve moving on both the ice, and in the air, and transitioning between the two. The judges and VT told us that the transitions were all important. Every other routine had the traditional mix between moving on and off the ice. Hayley touched down once before her wire lifted her up again.

It was the usual pattern. Hayley didn't skate alone, she avoided the difficult bit of transitions and she did the dancing moves Suzanne did - but avoided trying the big spin Suzanne did at the end of her routine. Top marks again for a badly incomplete routine - when anyone listening to the judges knew what was lacking. . Again votes and top marks for doing something simpler than other people got to do., and that others could have done.
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Old 03-03-2014, 00:44
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I thought it deserved the scores it got as it was the best flying routine ever alongside Suzanne's and I thought Hayley's lines / transitions / moves were all great, I do think the crying was OTT though.
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Old 03-03-2014, 06:49
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There are some really bitter people on here why can't people just admit she was good !
But not as good as Ray , he skates, does not rely on holding on to partner. I wish she would stop that funny false face pulling, it is enough to turn milk sour.
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Old 03-03-2014, 07:51
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I thought it deserved the scores it got as it was the best flying routine ever alongside Suzanne's and I thought Hayley's lines / transitions / moves were all great, I do think the crying was OTT though.

Quite so.


I do find the constant carping at Hayley very, very tiresome. I specifically watched Beth's flying routine to see how much skating was involved and there was virtually none. She landed on the ice once, the same as Hayley but that was barely mentioned by posters on here.

Hayley's lines throughout the routine were beautifully held and if you watch Ray again, you will see the difference. He couldn't maintain his, hence the low marks. It's not that easy to do.

I think we all admit that Hayley's solo skating is her weak spot, no question. It doesn't have to be pointed out 'ad nauseam'

There are always a lot of posts about how cruel the judges are to Beth. Sorry but I don't see that. What I do see is Robin's constant sarky comments to Hayley about her 'cheesey grin' and constant smiling. She takes it in good part but I never see any sympathy on here for her for that.


We all have our favourites but that's no excuse to constantly criticise the other contestants. I doubt I shall log in to DS during the final, the bitterness on here if Beth doesn't beat Hayley will be overpowering
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:21
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I thought Hayley's flying routine was lovely - for a flying routine. Did it deserve 10s? I don't know. It certainly looked like the best flying routine of the night to me – I just don't see the point of flying routines. I thought we'd already established that Hayley could strike a lovely pose and bring 'character' to a routine while being carried around and letting her partner do all the skating, so it was telling that Hayley's only perfect score this series has been the one that didn't involve any skating at all. The flying routines challenge the celeb's balance, posture and ability to combat motion sickness but they don't challenge their ability to dance or skate (which is surely what 'dancing on ice' means?)
I don't agree with those saying Hayley's routine wasn't all that good: I think it was an extremely good flying routine. I just don't really understand what flying routines are doing in a show called dancing on ice, where the only people doing any dancing on ice are the pro skaters.
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Old 03-03-2014, 14:09
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I thought it deserved the scores it got as it was the best flying routine ever alongside Suzanne's and I thought Hayley's lines / transitions / moves were all great, I do think the crying was OTT though.
She made no more than two transitions and both were clumsy.

Yes when being supported by Dan or wires she was graceful - but there was little difficulty in that routine and it didn't hold a candle to Suzanne's.

Not bitter at all - it just didn't hold any WOW factor for me.

Beth's and Ray's were far better imo.
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Old 03-03-2014, 14:34
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Well I thought it was Beautiful and fully deserved the 40 ,I hope she goes on to win
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Old 03-03-2014, 15:07
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She's obviously their favourite, yet they know Ray is probably the public's favourite so they marked Hayley up and Ray down. They must think the viewers are idiots.
Well, here is one idiot's opinion: absolutely beautiful. She even outdid Bonnie Langford in the aerial ballet. Incidentally I still have the file which I posted on YouTube of her first aerial ballet in 2010. It was removed from YouTube at the time, probably for copyright reasons, but if anyone wants to see it they can send me a personal message and give me an email address to send it to.

Hayley Tamaddon - Dancing on Ice 2014 The Semi Final Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVh-J6KyZ6I
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Old 03-03-2014, 15:15
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I don't agree, I think that Hayley was amazing. My husband hardly watches any of the reality shows but he even commented on how good she was.

I think that some people have a problem with Hayley because they like Beth and see her through rose tinted glasses. I am sorry but I think that the judges were kind to Beth. Most of her flying Beth had her partner holding on to her as if Beth was frightened of flying out of control. I cannot believe that this has not been mentioned about Beth's flying routine.
When I heard the result I thought "Hayley beats Ray! Thank you God for making my day!"
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Old 03-03-2014, 15:34
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Quite so.


I do find the constant carping at Hayley very, very tiresome. I specifically watched Beth's flying routine to see how much skating was involved and there was virtually none. She landed on the ice once, the same as Hayley but that was barely mentioned by posters on here.

Hayley's lines throughout the routine were beautifully held and if you watch Ray again, you will see the difference. He couldn't maintain his, hence the low marks. It's not that easy to do.

I think we all admit that Hayley's solo skating is her weak spot, no question. It doesn't have to be pointed out 'ad nauseam'

There are always a lot of posts about how cruel the judges are to Beth. Sorry but I don't see that. What I do see is Robin's constant sarky comments to Hayley about her 'cheesey grin' and constant smiling. She takes it in good part but I never see any sympathy on here for her for that.


We all have our favourites but that's no excuse to constantly criticise the other contestants. I doubt I shall log in to DS during the final, the bitterness on here if Beth doesn't beat Hayley will be overpowering
The point isn't that Beth didn't skate much more. Beth got fewer marks. Hayley got full marks for less. Exactly how you mark them depends on how you reward the ability to hold a pose versus the ability to do bigger moves. Chris told us quite clearly who had the more difficult routine. The point is that Hayley got full marks for avoiding the transitions and big tricks. She also got the most complete routine - with a clear story and lots of posing and acting to do that would appeal to voters who liked that sort of thing - which means the judges rewarded her for putting most emotion over - in the routine written to provide most emotional impact. You can't mark for the routine, and avoid marking the difficulty - or give full marks to an incomplete routine. . Its just an untenable mark, whoever you give it to. They then backed up their nonsensical marking, by hyping it as the best routine ever - when both of Hayley's flying routines are among the simplest ever done. by a female .
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Old 03-03-2014, 17:54
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When I heard the result I thought "Hayley beats Ray! Thank you God for making my day!"
Ha, ha. She can only beat him on the flying. She will never beat him with actual ice-skating that's for sure.
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Old 03-03-2014, 17:55
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People can say it was easy, but when Ray attempted to flip he went all over the place and failed, but Hayley did 4 in a row. Perfectly.
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Old 03-03-2014, 17:59
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People can say it was easy, but when Ray attempted to flip he went all over the place and failed, but Hayley did 4 in a row. Perfectly.
But it's still nothing to do with ice-dancing and Ray will always beat Hayley hands down at ice-dancing.
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Old 03-03-2014, 18:21
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As someone who often gets somewhat irritated at home by Hayley being overmarked, I did think she deserved every 10.0 she got for her flying routine. Although her routine admittedly did look fairly straight-forward, I can assure you that it wasn't - while it was lacking transitions from the ice to the air, it is very difficult to hold the positions she did for so long and look so elegant doing them. She was also given the challenge of lifting Daniel off the ice, though I understand most (if not everyone) did something like it. Add to that the emotion and story she told throughout it, and she made what could have been a slightly sickly performance hauntingly beautiful. Her second routine, however, was enough to make me heave with all the cheese.

However, Beth's routine was, in comparison, undermarked. It was an extremely challenging routine, with several moves that matched Hayley's 'big move' that looked far more exciting and adventurous. In my opinion, she deserved at least 9.5's across for that, if not more. And, although I found Chris' speech about her marks a little cringe-worthy, I pretty much agreed with it all.

So, as a summary, I tend to see it more that Beth was undermarked in relation to the others, not Hayley being overmarked. But hey, it's all just my opinion.
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Old 03-03-2014, 22:47
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Did anyone just watch the judges reactions and think "WTF"? It was good but I've seen a lot better, I felt like I'd just watched something completely different to them

As shown last week she's useless when she's not clinging to Dan like a linchpin. Im sick to the back teeth of her.
Think the song clinched it for them. I honestly believe that any of the others could have performed to that piece of music and would have got the same result.
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Old 03-03-2014, 23:42
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Quite so.


I do find the constant carping at Hayley very, very tiresome. I specifically watched Beth's flying routine to see how much skating was involved and there was virtually none. She landed on the ice once, the same as Hayley but that was barely mentioned by posters on here.

Hayley's lines throughout the routine were beautifully held and if you watch Ray again, you will see the difference. He couldn't maintain his, hence the low marks. It's not that easy to do.

I think we all admit that Hayley's solo skating is her weak spot, no question. It doesn't have to be pointed out 'ad nauseam'

There are always a lot of posts about how cruel the judges are to Beth. Sorry but I don't see that. What I do see is Robin's constant sarky comments to Hayley about her 'cheesey grin' and constant smiling. She takes it in good part but I never see any sympathy on here for her for that.


We all have our favourites but that's no excuse to constantly criticise the other contestants. I doubt I shall log in to DS during the final, the bitterness on here if Beth doesn't beat Hayley will be overpowering
Very well put. I am constantly amazed at the grouchiness and bad temper displayed in this forum. It's an entertainment show for God's sake, not a meeting of the United Nations. Lighten up, people and get a life for yourselves!
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Old 03-03-2014, 23:47
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I don't agree, I think that Hayley was amazing. My husband hardly watches any of the reality shows but he even commented on how good she was.

I think that some people have a problem with Hayley because they like Beth and see her through rose tinted glasses. I am sorry but I think that the judges were kind to Beth. Most of her flying Beth had her partner holding on to her as if Beth was frightened of flying out of control. I cannot believe that this has not been mentioned about Beth's flying routine.
Is it you wearing rose tinted specs?

Still if hubby says Hayley was good ........
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Old 03-03-2014, 23:58
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Beths flying was forgettable. ..dont even remember the music accompanying it. .....Hayley was simply the best.......hence many are talling about it!!!!
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Old 04-03-2014, 00:08
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Beths flying was forgettable. ..dont even remember the music accompanying it. .....Hayley was simply the best.......hence many are talling about it!!!!
The only thing memorable about Hayley's flying was the music - nothing else to back up the ridiculously high score.
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