Jason is a muppet his entire idea of Complete package is Jazz hands and Miss World smile. I still think they believe Beth winning last year somehow sealed the fate on the show and that's the reason its being axed.

I think its testament to Beth she hasn't gone nuts will all of them. Ashley sitting there with her roots showing and dried out hair just like her music career giving advice on performances

It's hardly a rebellion believe or not people are more than capable of making their own judgement based on someone's talent not simply to tick off the judges.

Beth has come out there this year and last year and done nothing but do her best and take on every comment on board from the judges even the most inane sometimes and done her best to please them and all they do is find a new reason to pick fault.

If Beth wins it is because people think she is the best and if people vote her as that then she is simple as that she is the best. If anything what is going to tarnish the memory of the show is the petulant attitudes of the judges who behave more and more unprofessionally as each week passes and behave like more like spoilt kids in a playground not getting their own way rather than the mature professional adults they are meant to be.

Beth is by no means an average champion but I guess too many are blinded by it must be uber dazzling constant performance doesn't matter if they make 20 mistakes as long as it has been over performed to recognise that she is technically one of the best they have ever had and I would say that Beth in terms of the skating the best of all the girls they have had although Claire could have given her a challenge.

I don't think Beth is average. She is technically a better skater than Hayley but she consistently gets marked down while Hayley's lack of technical ability is ignored and her marks are based on performance rather than skating.

If you look at the public voting stats for Ray's & Beth's previous series they are pretty evenly matched. I went into more detail a couple days ago so I won't re-post.

Fair enough. I said I'd be happy (or at least accept its OK!) if Beth won because people believed her to be the best skater there, or enjoyed her performance more than anyone else, thats all subjective and its fine. I didn't say it was all about the judging bias, but it is definitely a factor in so many peoples view, you only need to read the responses on here. I appreciate personality factors come into it, but I think its quite lame if the 'champion of champions of ice dancing' wins partly because people were angry at some of the panels comments and partly because shes a nice girl. If its because they preferred to watch Beth skate thats fine, though for me, Ray skates and performs better.

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I hope not too, but it clearly affected the voting tonight. Yes, Beth is a nice girl and a good skater but (through no fault of her own) she is not a natural performer and is lacking in charisma on the ice - that's why I don't believe she would be a worthy Champion of Champions.

Haley blags her way through the poor skating.
Its been a number of years and bet the soap schedule means her level of practise this series isn't anywhere near like her first year. Its the panel made fans highlight the flaws in Haley as the panel are happy to overlook these because they know "performance" wise she will deliver. But again its making a complete joke of Robin and Karen even being there.

I love the Faux outrage on the wrong people being in the skateoff again the panel cant see the people left in this contest have all relied and won on the votes from the public the way they spoke tonight its like Todd was saved. Its the reason ITV's reality shows are dying the panel makes the wrong conclusions then wonders why the public highlight that fact. The egos must be huge the public dare defy them Jason is a sad little man with a terrible hair transplant he assumed coming back onto the show would stop the ratings decline and he would be the Saviour of this show.

Karen also needs reminding of the year she was put on the naughty step because she's a crap judge. Guessing during the week she doesn't mention how Beth always seems to get a very bland routine and also would suggest doesn't mention anything about beth's "performance" factors but seems to find enough time in the live shows.

Sorry I sound like a broken record tonight but when you see Ego's like that panel in action there is no wonder so many people simply stopped watching.

How on earth can you say it affected the voting or not tonight. You don't know the public voting figures or for what reason the public were voting. I voted for Beth based on both her routines because I think she is a brilliant skater and I enjoy watching her performance. Perhaps there are lots of other people who think exactly the same thing.

People clearly didn't like what they were seeing with Ray or Sam if they did more people would have picked up the phones and voted for them. Sam was bottom of the leaderboard anyway so even if people insist on being pedantic then the judges had him as the weakest tonight, he deserved to be in the skate off and to therefore go home. Given he is committed to doing Seven Brides he could hardly have committed much time to training for the final and is not doing the tour so his time was pretty much up anyway I remember series 4 there being a bit of a fuss when Donal came second again the judges didn't really seem to want him to do that well and they didn't have him booked on the tour although I think he did do a couple of shows in the end.

Why is this thread just aimed at Beth fans? Hayley's just as much to blame for him being in the skate off i.e. he's better than both of them.

Beth deserves her place in the final and clearly the majority agree. She's had support since she entered the competition last year - her support isn't just because she's being unfairly treated, it's because she's actually one of the best contestants to ever be on the show.

Chris and Jayne acknowledged tonight that she's one of the best technical skaters and deserved 10's tonight. She can skate and is one of (if not the) best contestant to pull off the lifts and tricks. I saw nothing wrong with her performance tonight. Sometimes she struggles with it and it can damage the routine somewhat, but not tonight and even so, when she does lack in performance, she makes up for it with skating, lifts and tricks.

The judges treating her unfairly just makes me root for her a little more strongly.

I'm personally hoping for a Beth win, but not because of how the judges have treated her - I just prefer her type of routines over Ray's and Hayley's.

At the start of the series, I thought the final would be Ray, Beth and Hayley simply because I think they are the best skaters. Despite all the controversy, the right final has been reached.

I am 90% that Ray will win, but I think Beth has an outside chance. I just think Beth's performances have that little "Wow" factor that the others don't have. I will vote for Beth, but won't mind who wins as Ray and Hayley would be worthy winners too.

So, unless the judges praise her, she doesn't deserve to win?

If she wins, it's because the majority prefer her routines and/or prefer her personality. Only fans of those being hard done by will vote for them. If my favourite was Ray or Hayley, I wouldn't switch my vote to Beth because the judges have treated her unfairly?

Those who are indifferent to all three, but vote for Beth because of the treatment of her, will be a very small minority and won't make any difference to the end vote.

If she wins, because of her routines, fine. I think in every thread thats been made about Beth, the support for Beth has usually always mentioned the fact they were annoyed with the judges comments, or they think she was being unfairly marked against Hayley, or she wasn't marked high enough. so it seemed to me to be at least a consistent factor in getting some of the support. Not the only reason of course, but I think its lame if this comes into it at all in picking the champion of the show. If you think its not, I hope you're right. I want the winner (even if its not my winner) to be there because people believed her/him to be the best skater or because they enjoyed their performance more than anyone else, regardless of what judges have said.

The point for me though is that she is better than Hayley who is all jazz hands, toe pick dancing and owns two facial expressions yet she is slapped down and often quite cruelly. I can see that Beth does routines that are harder with higher technical content and this is rarely acknowledged whereas Hayley's flaws are brushed over. Beth is now my favourite though I do believe that, on merit, she should have finished 3rd behind Sam and Ray. I voted for Beth because she deserves a finals place not because she is the best. I wonder if her vote will lessen next week anyway as the public won't feel she is in danger from biased judges marks

This!

Beth is a much better skater than Hayley, and despite Beth's performance style not being able to match the OTT gurn of Hayley's, they're a lot closer in that respect than listening to the judges will have you believe. Beth emotes better and I feel her in the slower routines - Hayley has one speed, jazz hands and a grin - so that makes her lessor IMO.

How insulting for the judges to place Hayley above Ray on the leaderboard. Really don't understand it.

I've met Beth several times and no way is she a pain in the behind! She's a lovely person unlike some others that have taken part in the show!

I could see why the judges gave Hayley and Dan all tens because their flying routine was very moving and for me was the best. I don't think that Beth's was that good and the judges were very kind to her. I felt that Beth's partner held on to her for far too long as if Beth was frightened she would fly out of control. I thought that Hayley's flying was far more superior tonight and she deserved the top marks.

I think with Ray being the best skater and Hayley the better performer and equal to Ray in dancing that these two are definitely the best.

Sorry but for me Beth struck lucky last year in winning and she definitely does not deserve the winner of winners this year. That should go to Hayley or Ray!

Personally I have voted for only one person this whole series and that is Beth! I think she is the best skater, I love her routines, lifts and her fab ice skating and dancing! She has been treated very badly by all the judges but always reacts in the same way, I will learn and do better, which she has! Chris was spot on tonight she should have been awarded 4 x 10s for her flying!!!!

Me too

Not at all. On the night I think that Hayley was the better of the two. Rays flying was not great and the judges were very generous to him in my opinion.

But I do think that Ray will go on to win next week! Hopefully Hayley will take 2nd place if that's the case. That would be fine for me even though Hayley is my favourite.

How is that insulting when Hayley DID actually perform better than Ray in the flying routine tonight.....and came close to him in the ice dance, with a fast and energetic performance? ???

Have you met her She comes across as very humble and never argues back. She always says she will learn from what the judges say. Oh about the bronze medal, well have you won anything for your country? I am very proud that Beth won something for GB.

Personally I'll be disappointed if Beth wins because I believe she is the weakest all round performer left, and I would have preferred her not to be in the final. I was hoping for a Ray, Hayley, Suzanne final three. All original partnerships with such good chemistry and all produced stand out, memorable performances, which for me Beth hasn't (the only performance of her which sticks out to me is Clown, can't remember any others). This is just my opinion though, and if she does win I won't believe it's part of a 'rebellion' I will accept that more people wanted her to win than the other two.

Have you met our golden girl Hayley?