Could Hayley and Ray not have the same public vote, but because she was top of the leaderboard she went through? Would that work out?

ie:

Hayley 4 + 2 = 6
Ray 3 + 2 = 5
Beth 2 + 4 = 6
Sam 1 + 1 = 2

Not sure though.

Personally, I think Beth came top of the public vote at the weekend. Can't imagine Ray being too far behind either of the girls, looking at other places online he does have good levels of support.

Ok I know I'll get shot down but I've been reading this and thought I'd give my view which is entirely different from everyone it seems.

To me DOI is a light entertainment show, and as such I want to be entertained. I don't really care how technical a skater is, I'm all about the performance (you can blame being a huge Kids From Fame fan in the 80's). I'm nearly 40 so way past blindly following a favourite no matter what mistakes they make. That stopped when I was 14 and Bros split up!

So I will say it...I usually like Hayley the best. I don't care that her technique isn't as good, I love her partnership and performances with Dan. If something gets me in the gut, that's what I go by and that's usually about the performance. I can see how good Beth is technically but she just doesn't do it for me. I like enthusiastic, smily people so like Hayley's personality too.

Ray is a cocky little sod but I love watching his performances too, and Sam's were often very entertaining.

Everyone is wired different and will hear a song for example, which will make some cry but others will feel nothing.

Don't care who wins really but would prefer it to be Ray or Hayley. Ray has been so damn good he probably deserves it, and Hayley entertains me the most,

just hope the last week is entertaining. I freely admit watching The Bolero three times in a row bores me to tears. Would rather they did that first and got it out of the way.

The end...(just to help you judge me even more harshly for daring to like Hayley, my fave ever skate was Vanilla Ice skating to Ice Ice Baby!)

Vanilla Ice was an amazing skater, I remember his speed and power. Wasn't he partnered with Vicky?

I'm half-and-half, hopwoodl, I appreciate the performance side of things which Hayley is very attuned to, but skating is the main thing and she is very poor compared to Beth and Ray. Beth's performance skills are better than Hayley's technical abilities though.

I think he might have been with Vicky. I struggle to remember half the celebrities in a series when it's finished.

I know you're right about Beth, but for some reason I just don't warm to her.

I'm not really bothered who wins to be Honest ,like soneone says ^^^^^^^^^ up there i watch it to be entertained and Beth just doesn't entertain me when she's on the Ice ,so for that reason would've liked her to have gone out this week ,as all the other 3 entertain me to some degree and i enjoy their performances

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Beth now goes on to win the whole thing and said as much when she was saved on Sunday

Although Ray is the best of the lot he's too cocky for me ,so would like Hayley to win ,with Ray 2nd and Beth 3rd ,but wouldn't be surprised as i said ,and indeed have the feeling Beth will win ,with Ray coming 2nd and Hayley 3rd

The problem with Hayey's skating isn't that her technique isn't as good, or even (really) that she isn't as good technically. That makes it sound like the difference is just in technical details that might matter to skating fans or to the experienced skaters on the judging panel, but wouldn't be evident to most ordinary viewers.

It's more like Hayley doesn't skate at all than it is like she's just lacking in technique or technical details.

Of course, Hayley does skate some, but she is far more limited as a skater than Beth or Ray, and most of her dance moves are not integrated with skating. Instead, she's standing still on the ice, being moved by her partner, continuing a glide already set in motion with her partner's help, or moving on her toe picks. (The toe pick dancing is difficult in its way, but its done because it's easier than trying to dance while skating.)

I'm not saying you shouldn't like Hayley's routines or shouldn't prefer them to Beth's. As you say, "everyone is wired different", and that's fine. I'm just trying to explain that the difference in their skating is much greater than your post has it sound.

Vanilla Ice was partnered with Katie Stainsby.

I honestly do get that but still get more enjoyment watching her routines. I don't remember people saying she was a bad skater in her series though. Did she do more then? I can't remember, except that I thought her. Jai Ho performance was amazing

I said much the same in her series, and she didn't do more then. But I think many people weren't so aware then of how she was getting dance moved onto the ice without integrating them with skating. Jai Ho took that approach too: the skating was minimal (except for a spin, though even that was done from a standing start), and most of the dance moves weren't integrated with skating.

*facepalm*



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As for @jakelyle I can have an opinion as much as you FYI. I believe Beth winning would be humiliating for the show and too Beth herself. She will win based on backlash support of the other contestants and the judges. Pretty hollow victory for her.

That said. If Beth is amazing on finale night like Suzanne Shaw then I will not mind her winning, but ATM she is dreadful sad to say.

I was very aware of how limited Hayley's skating was during her series. The standard wasn't particularly high overall and it seemed a foregone conclusion that she would win even though poor Gary Lucy consistently outskated her. Fair play to her, she makes what skating skills she has go a long way with her sheer exuberance, but for me that's not really enough to deserve a series win. Despite that, I do find her routines entertaining and I can see why some people vote for her.

So, in the space of two days, she's gone from being an average skater (which she isn't) to being a dreadful one (which she isn't either).

Which show are you watching?

Oh please...

Beth is clearly below par to the other past contestants such as Ray / Suzanne / Hayley / Matthew / Matt.

I think she would make a dreadful winner to the "All Star" series of Dancing on Ice. If she performs amazing on the finale (which is doubtful) then her win will be tolerable as I always believe the best on the night should win.

I am not a great fan of Ray ,But he does have the whole package as Mr Nasty says .I would like Hayley to win ..If Beth wins I think it will just be because Jason wasn't a fan .Just My opinion ,I know she has fans ,,Technique yes ..Personality and Dance not much

[quote=Mr_XcX;71609561]Oh please...

Beth is clearly below par to the other past contestants such as Ray / Suzanne / Hayley / Matthew / Matt.

I think she would make a dreadful winner to the "All Star" series of Dancing on Ice. If she performs amazing on the finale (which is doubtful) then her win will be tolerable as I always believe the best on the night should win.[/QUOTE

Agree

Ok Yes she IS a nice girl ,But not a worthy WINNER for the whole thing ! It will be a farce IMO if she does ..the series a farce .I agree with you

I really don't understand how Beth winning would be any more of a farce than Hayley winning. They both have their strengths and limitations with regard overall ability (as does Ray in his way but his limitations are fewer and less obvious). Beth's skating is far stronger than Hayley's but her performance is more stilted. You've said you'd like Hayley to win. Why, with her comparatively limited skating skill, would she be a more worthy winner than Beth? Why should the weakest skater of the final six be "worthy" of winning an all-stars series yet one of the weaker performers is not?

I met a friend for coffee today and she is a massive Ray fan but she thought both of Hayley's performances on Sunday were superb. She knows nothing of ice-skating only what she sees on DOI. I expect many people feel the same because she does put on a good show even though it is not very technical.

I'm not a Beth fan but I have no problem with her winning. DOI is essentially a popularity contest, so anyone who gets the GBP vote is entitled to win. A Beth win is no different from Abbey Clancy's recent SCD win over Natalie Gumede who was supposedly the best ever dancer.

Definitely not a farce the programme is supposed to be called dancing on ice, meaning you can skate not 'I have jazz hands!' You would not see professional ice dancers in the Olympics for example waving their arms around and pulling faces!! imo

Disagree, you cannot compare SCD to Dancing on Ice as its two completely different shows. Plus comparing Abbey Clancy's standard to Beth is really questionable. In SCD terms I would describe Beth as the Sophie Ellis Bextor of the series. Nice girl but just does not cut it when we reach the near stages of the finale.

The fact is for me, this is "All Stars" best of the best final ever Dancing on Ice series. Seeing Ray beaten over Beth is just something that completely bemuses me.

That is your opinion but other people may not feel the same way about Beth! She is a great skater, as good as Ray, she may be doesn't sell it quite as obviously!

Agreed,Beth's technical execution is superior to Clancy's.

The biggest farce would be non-skating Hayley winning!

Ray really should win, and I don't think anything will stop that happening.

.. and cheers TraceyUK it was indeed Katie with Vanilla. Her and Vicky look very similar in my defence.

Hayley & Beth must both have beaten Ray in the public vote. Highly unlikely that with thousands of votes you would get 2 people with exactly the same number. Not totally impossible but the odds are stacked against it.