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Jason's blog Semi Final!!
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camy934
03-03-2014
https://www.facebook.com/officialjasongardiner
-Here's the link for any others who want to read the full blog.

His comments about Beth are very interesting:

Let me address some misguided and unfounded comments on Twitter. I have never attacked Beth personally. My critique has always been about her performance, and as a dance and performance judge, I stand by all of my expert opinions. Which is why I was highly bemused by Christopher Dean losing his composure and dismissing the panel (his girlfriend included) for not giving Beth higher marks. To say we don't know what we're talking about is unusually bad form on his part and poses the question: should a mentor show such blatant favouritism? (And let's not mention the very biased VT package)


When did Chris say that the panel don't know what they're talking about ?? , and in regards to the 'blantant favouritism' a bit rich from Gardiner here when he's part of a biased panel that have thrown 10s at Quinn and others every week , yet criticized Beth no end and never given her a break. I used to love Jason on the show but the man has shown himself to be an utter hypocrite. He has been nothing but horrible to Beth the last two years, putting her down and never giving her the credit he deserves and ironically bulling up his own favorites.
xeo
03-03-2014
I think I trust Chris' word more than I do Jason's...
dizzie
03-03-2014
To answer Jason's question, yes! A mentor should show favouritism - especially when it's pretty well balanced given how effusive Chris is in his praises for the other contestants. Who shouldn't be showing favouritism? - that would be the judges!!! But yeah, let's have a bunch of revisionist crap, that Jason tries to use as a defence against his bloody awful treatment of a girl, who's one of the best skaters they've ever had. Not that that matters to him, clearly!

BTW, is Jason now turning on the producers, accusing the 'biased VT packages' of affecting the outcome? That's hilarious if that's what he means! Because, how were the VT packages in any way different to what they've done over the past god knows how many series? Hypocritical, foul little man. I'm glad to see the end of the show, if only for the fact that we don't have to endure his poisonous snide remarks on a weekly basis any more.
J.R
03-03-2014
Jason has always been very complementary about Beths physical skating skills but is less impressed with her actual performance skills - which is more his area of expertise! I saw nothing wrong in what he said?! It is his opinion and he his there to give it. He dosn't HAVE to agree with anyone else.
My only complaint about the judges was them complaining about the two men being in the skate off when their scores helped to put them there.
I like Beth and yes she is extremely good but she dosn't excite me - sorry but there it is.
I like Hayley but to me (jmpo) she is all performance - smoke and mirrors - and less actual skating ability
I quite liked Sam (not as much) but he combined the two well. I was sorry to see him go last night.
I like Ray, he has a good combination of skill and performance so I hope he wins!
via_487
03-03-2014
Quote:
“ I was highly bemused by Christopher Dean losing his composure and dismissing the panel (his girlfriend included) for not giving Beth higher marks. To say we don't know what we're talking about is unusually bad form on his part and poses the question: should a mentor show such blatant favouritism? (And let's not mention the very biased VT package)”

'Bad form' appears to be catching.
Highlighting that Karen is Chris' partner (or 'girlfriend' as Jason put it) is unnecessary.
Or is Jason suggesting that Chris shouldn't have criticised the judging panel because his 'girlfriend' was on it?

And what's with the remark about the VT packages?
Surely the producers choose these, not T&D?

Reads a bit like a hissy fit to me.
Tissy
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by via_487:
“'Bad form' appears to be catching.
Highlighting that Karen is Chris' partner (or 'girlfriend' as Jason put it) is unnecessary.
Or is Jason suggesting that Chris shouldn't have criticised the judging panel because his 'girlfriend' was on it?

And what's with the remark about the VT packages?
Surely the producers choose these, not T&D?

Reads a bit like a hissy fit to me.”

Part of me wants to see Beth win just so the judges show themselves up like last year although I think Ray deserves to win.
Ignazio
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“Part of me wants to see Beth win just so the judges show themselves up like last year although I think Ray deserves to win.”

I do think Ray will and should win - but yes there is also a part of me that wants to see the judges' reaction should Beth thwart them again.

btw Jason said neither Sam nor Ray should be in the SO - did he explain why he thought Hayley should be therer?
johartuk
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by J.R:
“Jason has always been very complementary about Beths physical skating skills but is less impressed with her actual performance skills - which is more his area of expertise! I saw nothing wrong in what he said?! It is his opinion and he his there to give it. He dosn't HAVE to agree with anyone else.
My only complaint about the judges was them complaining about the two men being in the skate off when their scores helped to put them there.
I like Beth and yes she is extremely good but she dosn't excite me - sorry but there it is.
I like Hayley but to me (jmpo) she is all performance - smoke and mirrors - and less actual skating ability
I quite liked Sam (not as much) but he combined the two well. I was sorry to see him go last night.
I like Ray, he has a good combination of skill and performance so I hope he wins!”

^^^
This!
Ignazio
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by J.R:
“Jason has always been very complementary about Beths physical skating skills but is less impressed with her actual performance skills - which is more his area of expertise! I saw nothing wrong in what he said?! It is his opinion and he his there to give it. He dosn't HAVE to agree with anyone else.
My only complaint about the judges was them complaining about the two men being in the skate off when their scores helped to put them there.
I like Beth and yes she is extremely good but she dosn't excite me - sorry but there it is.
I like Hayley but to me (jmpo) she is all performance - smoke and mirrors - and less actual skating ability
I quite liked Sam (not as much) but he combined the two well. I was sorry to see him go last night.
I like Ray, he has a good combination of skill and performance so I hope he wins!”

He rarely mentions her technical skills.
Vodka_Drinka
03-03-2014
What a load of hypocritical guff. A mentor shouldn't show favouritism, but neither should the judges. That was the first time in the shows history that Chris has ever let his guard down like that, it's certainly not something he makes a habit of and I think Jason is just miffed that he got put in his place by someone who actually know what they are talking about.

I think Jason has issues with sports peoples. Going back to the first series when he was nasty to Kelly Holmes and called her a man in drag, then he was vile to Sharon Davis and implied she looked like a piece of shit. The man is a hateful tosspot of the highest order, the best thing about the end of DOI is that I won't ever have to see him on my TV again.
CaroUK
03-03-2014
Chris has done a heck of a lot more choreography than Jason has - and his experience is mostly done in ice shows - Jason's knowledge of choeography for a routine on ice is the square root of squit all!

Chris (and Robin for that matter) have been choreographing ice shows for over 30 years - so Chris is well qualified to pass comment on the panel's decision. Hayley who cant do much and does it every week gets praised to the skies despite the fact she can barely skate solo - whilst Beth who CAN skate and perform difficult choreography every week gets slammed week after week for "lack of performance" whilst Hayley gets away with almost a complete lack of any actual skating with no comment or penalty.

Jason is a complete waste of space - and I do wish they had left him in the wildrness where he so rightly belongs!
Tissy
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Chris has done a heck of a lot more choreography than Jason has - and his experience is mostly done in ice shows - Jason's knowledge of choeography for a routine on ice is the square root of squit all!

Chris (and Robin for that matter) have been choreographing ice shows for over 30 years - so Chris is well qualified to pass comment on the panel's decision. Hayley who cant do much and does it every week gets praised to the skies despite the fact she can barely skate solo - whilst Beth who CAN skate and perform difficult choreography every week gets slammed week after week for "lack of performance" whilst Hayley gets away with almost a complete lack of any actual skating with no comment or penalty.

Jason is a complete waste of space - and I do wish they had left him in the wildrness where he so rightly belongs!”

Haha it's laughable that Jason thinks his opinion is more valid than Chris's

I agree with someone earlier who said Jason appears to have a problem with successful sports women

Perhaps he's envious of their success whereas he is best known for what exactly ... Being a caustic judge on a RTV show ?
hopscotch23
03-03-2014
Chris didn't show favouritism, he didn't say the others didn't deserve their marks just that Beth was under marked. I think he has been building up to this for a few weeks, he didn't look happy at comments last week or week before ( can't remember which) and made a point of telling Beth she had done well as she got off the ice. So I am not surprised at him speaking out

Mentioning that the panel he dismissed contained CD's girlfriend bemuses me too and serves no purpose than to make Jason look bitchy. Quite the contrary it is good Chris is speaking out despite his partner being on the panel, shows more integrity I think though I did wonder if his criticism last night might cause tension in the Dean-barber relationship
thenetworkbabe
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by camy934:
“https://www.facebook.com/officialjasongardiner
-Here's the link for any others who want to read the full blog.

His comments about Beth are very interesting:

Let me address some misguided and unfounded comments on Twitter. I have never attacked Beth personally. My critique has always been about her performance, and as a dance and performance judge, I stand by all of my expert opinions. Which is why I was highly bemused by Christopher Dean losing his composure and dismissing the panel (his girlfriend included) for not giving Beth higher marks. To say we don't know what we're talking about is unusually bad form on his part and poses the question: should a mentor show such blatant favouritism? (And let's not mention the very biased VT package)



When did Chris say that the panel don't know what they're talking about ?? , and in regards to the 'blantant favouritism' a bit rich from Gardiner here when he's part of a biased panel that have thrown 10s at Quinn and others every week , yet criticized Beth no end and never given her a break. I used to love Jason on the show but the man has shown himself to be an utter hypocrite. He has been nothing but horrible to Beth the last two years, putting her down and never giving her the credit he deserves and ironically bulling up his own favorites.”

I have overused the word bizarre , but this gets more bizarre by the day,

Who runs this show?

Chris points out the judging is deviant. He agrees for once with the view among the more skillful celebs and some pros that the judges fail to reward difficulty. He hasn't gone as far as to point out that some people are consistently under and overmarked, but he's destroyed the credibility of the judges.

Jason criticises Chris for criticising the judging, Robin defends his poor judging too. Are they intending to put on their own show next year and not feeling the need to listen to the names behind the show?

Jason doesn't like the VT - which presumably comes from the production team. Where do they fit in?

Does ITV take a view - do they want an ITV winner or at least a runner up? Why would that matter to anyone - over providing a properly run show with better ratings?

Someone decided to use a VT to create a story that lost Jorgie, and someone decided to run with a twist that almost certainly saved Sam and put Suzanne out. Who decided these were good ideas?

The judges, some celebs and some pros all criticise the choregraphy. Can the judges tell the difference between whats good and whats bad and whats easy or hard? If they can do they know how to mark it fairly?

Worse its all self contradictory. The judges have pointed out why Hayley should never have made the final - she's the weakest skater and most incomplete act. The next minute, though they revert to giving her 40s for incomplete routines. No one who listens to what they are being told one minute would vote for her if they understood the message - yet the next they are told she is the best ever. Does the script change by the minute? Who writes it? Or do the judges really make it all up as they go along- with no criteria, memory or consistency?

How on earth do you get a series where you - identify the major weaknesses of one finalist but then claim she is great and shower her with marks - identify somone else as the main contender three times then lose her needlessly, - critiicise another finalist relentlessly and fail to mark her content at all - have your main male contender on no votes - end up with judges looking totally credible - have your judges criticising the production team and Torville and Dean, and have the best overall performer left third in the semi final public vote? That takes some doing.
_NiallDEE_
03-03-2014
How exactly did Chris lose his composure? And when did he say that the judges didn't know what they're talking about? He merely stated that he would have personally given Beth a 10, and I'm glad he did - I'm sure it means much more to her that the man who performed the most famous and highest scoring skating performance in Olympic history would give her a 10 than a choreographer and Pussycat Doll
camy934
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by _NiallDEE_:
“How exactly did Chris lose his composure? And when did he say that the judges didn't know what they're talking about? He merely stated that he would have personally given Beth a 10, and I'm glad he did - I'm sure it means much more to her that the man who performed the most famous and highest scoring skating performance in Olympic history would give her a 10 than a choreographer and Pussycat Doll ”

Jason is much more biased and shows more favoritism than Chris ever has , and what exactly is Ashley famous for?, being Nicole Scherzinger's backing dancer?
yellowlabbie
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by camy934:
“Jason is much more biased and shows more favoritism than Chris ever has , and what exactly is Ashley famous for?, being Nicole Scherzinger's backing dancer?”

To be fair, Jason and Ashley are supposed to mark on performance, which is what they do from what I have seen. Karen and Robin are the technical judges.
protectthecats
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“I have overused the word bizarre , but this gets more bizarre by the day,

Who runs this show?

Chris points out the judging is deviant. He agrees for once with the view among the more skillful celebs and some pros that the judges fail to reward difficulty. He hasn't gone as far as to point out that some people are consistently under and overmarked, but he's destroyed the credibility of the judges.

Jason criticises Chris for criticising the judging, Robin defends his poor judging too. Are they intending to put on their own show next year and not feeling the need to listen to the names behind the show?

Jason doesn't like the VT - which presumably comes from the production team. Where do they fit in?

Does ITV take a view - do they want an ITV winner or at least a runner up? Why would that matter to anyone - over providing a properly run show with better ratings?

Someone decided to use a VT to create a story that lost Jorgie, and someone decided to run with a twist that almost certainly saved Sam and put Suzanne out. Who decided these were good ideas?

The judges, some celebs and some pros all criticise the choregraphy. Can the judges tell the difference between whats good and whats bad and whats easy or hard? If they can do they know how to mark it fairly?

Worse its all self contradictory. The judges have pointed out why Hayley should never have made the final - she's the weakest skater and most incomplete act. The next minute, though they revert to giving her 40s for incomplete routines. No one who listens to what they are being told one minute would vote for her if they understood the message - yet the next they are told she is the best ever. Does the script change by the minute? Who writes it? Or do the judges really make it all up as they go along- with no criteria, memory or consistency?

How on earth do you get a series where you - identify the major weaknesses of one finalist but then claim she is great and shower her with marks - identify somone else as the main contender three times then lose her needlessly, - critiicise another finalist relentlessly and fail to mark her content at all - have your main male contender on no votes - end up with judges looking totally credible - have your judges criticising the production team and Torville and Dean, and have the best overall performer left third in the semi final public vote? That takes some doing.”

There has been a lot of talk about difficulty not getting rewarded and I'm glad Chris referenced it. On twitter last night Matt Evers tweeted Sam's was technically difficult. and a lot of comments have been made.
I wonder if they feel Ray is overmarked or just that Sam and Beth should be getting the same marks. As Ray's routines look technically difficult to me but its hard for me to tell
Monkseal
03-03-2014
One week until Jason Gardiner is gone forever. I've already put the champagne on ice.
Stuart25
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“To be fair, Jason and Ashley are supposed to mark on performance, which is what they do from what I have seen. Karen and Robin are the technical judges.”

I don't understand why people keep saying this. When has someone officially said that Jason and Ashley mark on performance and not technical ability, and vice versa for Karen and Robin? They should all mark on both qualities - but that's obviously quite hard for a judge like Ashley to do as she has next to zero skating knowledge (which is reflected in her absurd 10.0 mark for Ray's flying)
yellowlabbie
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by Stuart25:
“I don't understand why people keep saying this. When has someone officially said that Jason and Ashley mark on performance and not technical ability, and vice versa for Karen and Robin? They should all mark on both qualities - but that's obviously quite hard for a judge like Ashley to do as she has next to zero skating knowledge (which is reflected in her absurd 10.0 mark for Ray's flying)”

Jason has said it himself in the past. How can Jason and Ashley mark on skating skills when they know very little about it. She gave Ray a 10 because she thought it was a 10 performance, simple.
4smiffy
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by xeo:
“I think I trust Chris' word more than I do Jason's...”

+1000000
natalian
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“One week until Jason Gardiner is gone forever. I've already put the champagne on ice.”

Is that what the show is going to be called when they resurrect it without T&D?
natalian
03-03-2014
Originally Posted by camy934:
“https://www.facebook.com/officialjasongardiner
-Here's the link for any others who want to read the full blog.

His comments about Beth are very interesting:

Let me address some misguided and unfounded comments on Twitter. I have never attacked Beth personally. My critique has always been about her performance, and as a dance and performance judge, I stand by all of my expert opinions. Which is why I was highly bemused by Christopher Dean losing his composure and dismissing the panel (his girlfriend included) for not giving Beth higher marks. To say we don't know what we're talking about is unusually bad form on his part and poses the question: should a mentor show such blatant favouritism? (And let's not mention the very biased VT package)


When did Chris say that the panel don't know what they're talking about ?? , and in regards to the 'blantant favouritism' a bit rich from Gardiner here when he's part of a biased panel that have thrown 10s at Quinn and others every week , yet criticized Beth no end and never given her a break. I used to love Jason on the show but the man has shown himself to be an utter hypocrite. He has been nothing but horrible to Beth the last two years, putting her down and never giving her the credit he deserves and ironically bulling up his own favorites.”

The most amusing thing about this is that Jason considers himself to be an 'expert'. The only thing he is expert at is insulting people....and by his own admission he stands by all his 'expert' egestions which is why I can't help but think of something that won't flush every time I see his face.
ABCZYX
03-03-2014
He is very hypocritical. He says that Christopher Dean is showing favouritism, but Jason has shown nothing but favouritism. He lets his personal feelings for the celebrities get in the way of what he's supposed to do.

He crticises Beth for not having her performance ability match her skating ability, but he says nothing about Hayley's skating ability not matching her performance ability.

He's been very biased since the very first series. For example, I remember he criticised Ruthie Henshall for having Zoe Salmon as a favourite, when he clearly had a favourite with Ray. In fact, when it was announced that Ray had won his series, you can see him punching the air with his fists whilst he's clapping:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8r...ice-final_news (26 secs)
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