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Old 03-03-2014, 21:48
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a much hyped album of covers, outtakes and rarities by Doris Day are to be released as an album this April to celebrate her turning 90 years old, shame there is a cover of the Jonathan King song 'everyones gone to the moon' on there and King will get a small fortune in songwriters royalties, i guess Mrs Day has no idea who he is but i cant wait for the tabloids to become aware of this then hopefully the track can be removed before release
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:49
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They still play Gary Glitter songs at American Football matches.
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Old 04-03-2014, 08:56
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They still play Gary Glitter songs at American Football matches.
Last Christmas they were playing a Gary Glitter song in a well known electrical store. I pointed it out to the guy behind the counter and he said he'd mention it to the manager.

By a strange coincidence I know someone called Jonathan who is a pervert as well and he also has loads of cash. No justice in this world imo.
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Old 04-03-2014, 13:07
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I see you will be armed with the facts regarding Jonathon King, why do you feel he is a pervert?
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Old 04-03-2014, 13:21
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They still play Gary Glitter songs at American Football matches.
Which teams play it?
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Old 04-03-2014, 13:37
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Does it matter?

A few things to consider.

1 - Every artist has the right to equal airplay and time on shop shelves.

2 - Just because an artist committed a crime, his or her work should not be wiped out. There are usually more people involved in making a track than just the lead vocalist alone.

3. If we start abolishing an artists work because of wrong doings, where do we stop? Is getting naked okay despite the fact we are dissing perverts here? Is taking drugs okay? Is drinking okay? is making a homophobic comments on twitter okay? is getting caught having gay sex in a toilet okay?

If we abolish perverts like glitter but keep George Micheal, Amy Winehouse, etc on then it implies to the youth that these other antics are okay, thus putting the vulnerable ones at risk from the very deviant people this thread is about!

I think a far better option is to approach this with a reasonable, adult attitude.
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Old 04-03-2014, 13:39
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I still listen to my Judas Priest albums from the early and mid 80s.
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Old 04-03-2014, 14:46
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I see you will be armed with the facts regarding Jonathon King, why do you feel he is a pervert?
google him
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Old 04-03-2014, 19:40
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I see you will be armed with the facts regarding Jonathon King, why do you feel he is a pervert?
hes was convicted of sexual abuse against underage boys and served 3 years in jail, after coming out of jail he had this to say
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4APw0IKSaM

arrogant, horrible, melted face *u**
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Old 04-03-2014, 22:37
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From the Wikipedia entry

Surrey Police subsequently revealed that their investigation, covering the years 1969 to 1989, had found that King had approached 10,000 to 20,000 boys ostensibly to question them for "research", which the police said was "a device to get to the boys and start speaking to them and grooming them for his purposes."
Surely a made up figure.
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Old 05-03-2014, 07:14
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a much hyped album of covers, outtakes and rarities by Doris Day are to be released as an album this April to celebrate her turning 90 years old, shame there is a cover of the Jonathan King song 'everyones gone to the moon' on there and King will get a small fortune in songwriters royalties, i guess Mrs Day has no idea who he is but i cant wait for the tabloids to become aware of this then hopefully the track can be removed before release
a small fortune is a bit of an exageration. small is the key word. it'll not sell much, and the royalties will be pathetic. it's a non story. he'll make more from royalties of nina simones version than from this. how many people are going to buy a doris day cd in this age? if you didn't post this thread we would be none the wiser about it's release. you are actually helping bring attention to the release which in itself is promotion
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Old 05-03-2014, 08:44
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A lot of the accusations are based on his relations with men that were under the age of consent then, but not now. I dont need to google him.
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Old 05-03-2014, 10:28
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A lot of the accusations are based on his relations with men that were under the age of consent then, but not now. I dont need to google him.
"Accusations"? He was convicted of four offences of indecent assault, one of buggery and one of attempted buggery against five boys aged 14 and 15. King was indeed acquitted of one charge because the alleged victim was probably over 16 and the sex was consensual, so arguably the theory that the was convicted of offences which would not be offences today is incorrect.

There's a very good article by Jon Ronson about King, his trial and some of the other adults involved here:

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...kend.jonronson
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Old 05-03-2014, 13:03
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A lot of the accusations are based on his relations with men that were under the age of consent then, but not now. I dont need to google him.
So what are you saying? It's ok to be a paedophile if they are nearly old enough?
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Old 05-03-2014, 22:33
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So what are you saying? It's ok to be a paedophile if they are nearly old enough?
'Paedophile' refers to attraction to pre-pubescent children...not what King was found guilty of. Half the countries of Europe have ages of consent of 14 and 15.
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Old 06-03-2014, 09:12
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I find this opinion of King's interesting after reading an interview with him in The Observer a couple of years back.

"You've consistently maintained that you are not guilty, in response to which I feel compelled to ask: not guilty of what? If, once convicted, you'd said: 'Yes, I had flings with 15-year-olds, I didn't know their age but I'm guilty, and very sorry,' I think your autobiography would have been a better book."
"It might have been, but I am innocent of the convictions against me. They only referred to five people. I never had sex with any of those five. I never even met one of them. More importantly I would like to think that I never took advantage of somebody, whether they were stoned, drunk or [otherwise] incapable of making up their minds."
"But the law says that if somebody is 14 or 15 they are not capable of consent."
"The law didn't say that back then. The law then said if they were male they were not capable of consent." (King is referring to the situation prior to 1967, when homosexuality was legalised between consenting partners over 21. In 1994 the age was lowered to 18 in England and Wales and in 2001, just before his trial, further reduced to 16.)
"By that logic you could legitimise intimacy with a five-year-old."
I would be insane, King suggests, if I believed he was arguing that. He repeats that, until he was 23, "Going with someone of the same gender – like the night I went with John Lennon, say – meant that you were both breaking the law. On that level I was completely guilty. My attitude was that if boys were over 16 – the age of consent for girls – and they wanted to do something with me, I'd do it."
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Old 06-03-2014, 09:58
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'Paedophile' refers to attraction to pre-pubescent children...not what King was found guilty of. Half the countries of Europe have ages of consent of 14 and 15.
King was found guilty of offences committed when he was around 40 years old. Whatever the age of consent is, it's not considered acceptable in modern society for a man in his 40s to have sexual relationships with people aged 14 or 15. He might have escaped prosecution in other countries but hopefully his behaviour would still have been seen as predatory.
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Old 06-03-2014, 13:05
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'Paedophile' refers to attraction to pre-pubescent children...not what King was found guilty of. Half the countries of Europe have ages of consent of 14 and 15.
Where are you getting your definition of the word from?
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Old 06-03-2014, 16:23
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a much hyped album of covers, outtakes and rarities by Doris Day are to be released as an album this April to celebrate her turning 90 years old, shame there is a cover of the Jonathan King song 'everyones gone to the moon' on there and King will get a small fortune in songwriters royalties, i guess Mrs Day has no idea who he is but i cant wait for the tabloids to become aware of this then hopefully the track can be removed before release
Much hyped by you. First I've heard of it. Thanks for that. I actually quite like some of his stuff. Not bothered about what he got up to. Hardly in Ian Watkins scale.
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Old 06-03-2014, 17:16
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Has he done his time now?
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Old 06-03-2014, 19:32
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a small fortune is a bit of an exageration. small is the key word. it'll not sell much, and the royalties will be pathetic. it's a non story. he'll make more from royalties of nina simones version than from this. how many people are going to buy a doris day cd in this age? if you didn't post this thread we would be none the wiser about it's release. you are actually helping bring attention to the release which in itself is promotion
well considering Doris Day had a top 5 album in 2011 and the hype for her 90th will be huge i think shes a slightly bigger star than Nina Simone
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Old 06-03-2014, 20:35
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Has he done his time now?
In jail, yes.

He's on the Sex Offenders register for life as his appeal against his conviction failed.
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Old 07-03-2014, 09:32
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In jail, yes.

He's on the Sex Offenders register for life as his appeal against his conviction failed.
Thanks.
I thought he was probably out of jail as it was a long time ago when he went inside.
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:21
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'Paedophile' refers to attraction to pre-pubescent children...not what King was found guilty of. Half the countries of Europe have ages of consent of 14 and 15.
true..... sex with a 14-15 year old (although illegal) isnt the same as sex with a little kid... most 14-5 years olds have at least more mature body shapes.

i believe te correct definition is 'hebephile'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia



as for king.... hes loathesome, but i dont object to him getting paid royalties for songs he wrote. its not like he himself is on stage performing.

the whole moral thing about should convicted pervs get royalties is a difficult one. glitter is dispised for his foul, unrepentant, repeated attacks on little kids. but others have got off without much fuss.... the drummer of the bay city rollers, a member of the foundations, pete townshend of the who, all have been caught with child porn images and (all but townshend) prosecuted.

then where do we draw the line between which crime is worse? we still play phil spectre tracks although hes a convicted murderer...
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Old 07-03-2014, 14:02
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well considering Doris Day had a top 5 album in 2011 and the hype for her 90th will be huge i think shes a slightly bigger star than Nina Simone
well thats what you think... meanwhile back in reality...
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