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Old 05-03-2014, 23:40
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Compared to sky/Virgin and that's because the quality programming these days comes from America (HBO etc). You can't compare it to ITV, CH4 & CH5 because they are not subscription paid tv, you can dress it up how you want, the BBC is pay tv. Oh the Radio channels are rubbish as well.

Personally close the entire BBC operation down, I will not miss it.
The radio stations rubbish? Yeah because the likes of Crapital and Heart are a much better listen?
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Old 06-03-2014, 00:05
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Have you seen Game of Thrones or The Newsroom? those two shows are better than anything the BBC has ever done, and is ever likely to do. If you haven't I would suggest you do, to see what quality really is.

Last thing I watched on BBC was the last series of Sherlock and some how they managed to balls that up from the previous two. Haven't listened to the Radio Stations in a long time and have never used Iplayer.
In your opinion, which you are entitled to, but it's not universal. Whether a programme is good or bad is very subjective. I've seen both, while I found The Newsroom to be OK, Game of Thrones didn't grab me enough to stay on.
With the commercial stations you pay through the nose covering the budget through the extra you have to pay for the products..Probably far more per year than the licence fee costs...
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Old 06-03-2014, 06:01
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Seldom anything to watch on the BBC these days.
I say the same about most other channels.

Personally, I watch more BBC than all other channels put together, but each to their own. I'm not trying to turn this into a slanging match!
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Old 06-03-2014, 07:31
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In your opinion, which you are entitled to, but it's not universal. Whether a programme is good or bad is very subjective. I've seen both, while I found The Newsroom to be OK, Game of Thrones didn't grab me enough to stay on.
With the commercial stations you pay through the nose covering the budget through the extra you have to pay for the products..Probably far more per year than the licence fee costs...
We are both entitled to our opinions, and if you like the BBC and what it has to offer fair enough.

I don't object to paying a LF, just object to the majority of the money funding the BBC, but it's cheap enough anyway to not really care.
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Old 06-03-2014, 08:25
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I want the BBC to stay how it is.

Without it all broadcasting would be in the hands of a small group of cross media companies who are interested first and foremost in profit and see quality as synonomous with viewing figures. It's not freedom of choice, it's the choice of the corporate controlled media to serve their own purposes and at the same time keeps us all in the rat race - that is the race to the bottom.

Not all commercial programming is bad, I watch lots myself. If we are not careful though everything ends up in the hands of a smaller and smaller number of corporate owners, which Is what has happened since the Tory government said the 1990 and 1996 Broadcasting Act would 'open up' and 'liberate' broadcasting, and it's why public service broadcasting should be protected.
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Old 06-03-2014, 11:33
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"NZ on Air chose to spend the money, in part, on what I considered to be pure public service programming ... however it also spent it on what I considered to be commercial programming, that which would be easily funded by advertising or sponsorship,"
Sounds like a failure of implementation within an inadequate regulatory framework. Nothing wrong with the basic idea.
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Old 06-03-2014, 23:19
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Have you seen Game of Thrones or The Newsroom? those two shows are better than anything the BBC has ever done, and is ever likely to do.
Because they can't afford to spend the equivalent of $6m per episode.
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Old 06-03-2014, 23:31
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Have you seen Game of Thrones or The Newsroom? those two shows are better than anything the BBC has ever done, and is ever likely to do. If you haven't I would suggest you do, to see what quality really is.

Last thing I watched on BBC was the last series of Sherlock and some how they managed to balls that up from the previous two. Haven't listened to the Radio Stations in a long time and have never used Iplayer.
You mean Game of Thrones and The Newsroom that were both created by American pay TV channel HBO?

You can't compare programming created by a private pay channel to a Publicly Funded Broadcaster.
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Old 06-03-2014, 23:36
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That too
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:41
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You mean Game of Thrones and The Newsroom that were both created by American pay TV channel HBO?

You can't compare programming created by a private pay channel to a Publicly Funded Broadcaster.
Plus the cost of HBO is about the same per household as the UK TV licence, yet despite the US having a far far larger population to fund it HBO produces:

Dramas
True Blood (2008–2014)
Boardwalk Empire (2010–2014)
Game of Thrones (2011–present)
The Newsroom (2012–2014)
True Detective (2014)

Comedies
Curb Your Enthusiasm (2000–present)
Girls (2012–present)
Veep (2012–present)
Getting On (2013–present)
Looking (2014–present)

Unscripted
HBO World Championship Boxing (1973–present)
HBO First Look (1992–present)
Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel (1995–present)
Boxing After Dark (1996–present)
Hard Knocks (2001–present)
Real Time With Bill Maher (2003–present)
24/7 (2007–present)
Masterclass (2010–present)
Vice (2013–present)

That's it. That's not the highlights. That is their entire current programming. Five dramas. five comedies and a bunch of reality shows.

Yes their standard is high, with all five dramas being good to excellent, and with longer seasons, but compared to the BBCs huge output, plus news and current affairs, sport, weather, local and national radio etc etc it is a fraction of the BBCs output. And again that is with a population five times the size of the UK.
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Old 07-03-2014, 01:55
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Is there a new series of Curb.Your Enthusiasm coming? Great, I liked that show.
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Old 07-03-2014, 15:48
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everyone knows license fee is only way to fund the bbc (and maintain standards in uk programming). all arguments against are part of destroy the bbc political campaign. lots of people with vested interests have good reasons to destroy it.

hbo ? the uk equivalent would be Virgin investing hundreds of millions into quality drama ...... but branson has spent his uk taxpayers subsidy on toy spaceships .......
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Old 07-03-2014, 16:28
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As I have said before, we can match the likes of HBO if the BBC took control of the licence fee, then less would feel the need to spend on Sky and VM...
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Old 07-03-2014, 16:51
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As I have said before, we can match the likes of HBO if the BBC took control of the licence fee, then less would feel the need to spend on Sky and VM...
NO THEY COULDN'T. They would still have to make PSB programming, which costs a fortune to make.

The only way it would be possible is a massive increase in the Licence Fee, something which would not be accepted.

The BBC having control of the is a very bad idea, at least now they are accountable to the Government, them having control would mean they wouldn't be, nor would it mean that programming costs would increase either.

You are just as bad at repeating this delusional attitude as lotjrw (sp?) is with repeating the notion that SD could be turned off and Sky are going to stop charging for HD any time soon.
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Old 07-03-2014, 19:15
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The licence fee must stay.

There are enough rubbish channels/broadcasters as it is, without turning the BBC into the same.
Anyone who doubts this just needs to look at TF1 in France (which used to be state owned) and FR2/3/4/5/ARTE, the remaining state run channels. TF1's news programmes are risible, and they pander to the lowest common denominator. You can see the same in Germany with RTL/SAT1/PRO7 and ARD/ZDF.

The people who are pushing this are the Murdochs and their fanboys (and it usually *IS* boys) who think that 1.5-2 hours of Simpsons episodes a night and Ibiza Uncovered are the height of culture.
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Old 07-03-2014, 23:04
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As I have said before, we can match the likes of HBO if the BBC took control of the licence fee...
Seriously? You think they could suddenly afford to spend £597,871.58 per episode on a new drama?

then less would feel the need to spend on Sky and VM...
Wrong. And I like my US shows, which is why I have my VM services. Doesn't mean I don't like UK shows and appreciate the BBC.

...and Sky are going to stop charging for HD any time soon.
I thought they already had?
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Old 08-03-2014, 03:31
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Seriously? You think they could suddenly afford to spend £597,871.58 per episode on a new drama?
Easily. Doctor Who is about £800k an episode. A top period drama like Downtown or Poirot can be over a million.

The US series can easily cost twice that per episode. The pilots for Lost and Boardwalk cost $14 million each.
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Old 08-03-2014, 08:37
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It already is, and has been for a while.
So it will ruin the BBC, oh well no loss then.
You obviously didn't watch "The Best of Men" and "Line of Duty" this week. Some of the best drama I've seen on TV
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Old 08-03-2014, 15:13
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I thought they already had?
They have just created the Entertainment Extra + package (which is basically Entertainment Extra, with the HD channels added). Pretty much the same as Virgin Media's XL pack.

In both cases they are basically a HD package with a different name. Rather than being a HD add on, they are a HD channel pack.
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Old 08-03-2014, 22:09
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Easily. Doctor Who is about £800k an episode. A top period drama like Downtown or Poirot can be over a million.
Sorry. Yes. You're quite right of course. However, DW is one of the most commercially-viable shows. They couldn't do it as part of their PSB commitments.

The US series can easily cost twice that per episode. The pilots for Lost and Boardwalk cost $14 million each.
That makes my point better
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Old 08-03-2014, 22:27
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You obviously didn't watch "The Best of Men" and "Line of Duty" this week. Some of the best drama I've seen on TV
Can't say I did, don't watch the BBC hardly. Last time I saw anything good was Sherlock, and not the last series, before that it was Spooks.
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