In the time of the Doctor, apart from the Doctor and Clara, how did the others know that the TimeLords had survived the Time War.

I know Handles knew the signal was of Gallifreyian origin but still

If a dismembered Cyber-head can figure it out I'm sure vast armies of Daleks, Cybermen, and the Church of the Papel Mainframe etc... could work it out too.

Oh, not another pointless thread! [Yawn! Yawn!]

Try re-watching the Time of the Doctor on DVD, then you'll be able to work it out for yourself, instead of starting a pointless thread.

Until that point, no one knew the signal was the timelords, not even the Doctor.

True, and there's not even any suggestion when he does find out it's them that he remembers his conversation with the Curator either because TTOTD is self explanatory enough for it not to be necessary... and also that would fit with Doctors not fully remembering encounters with future incarnations ... and the Curator's appearance did come straight after conversations with both the War Doctor and 10 that brought up that very subject.

I guess Handles explicitly saying I can't translate this message of Gallifreyan origin without everyone orbiting Trenzalore hearing it as well, was lost on the OP?

Even in the conversation with the Curator, it was left deliberately ambiguous - for the Doctor at least, we know the plan would never fail, right? - as to whether Gallifrey survived. So whether or not he remembered the conversation is still up in the air.

If a thread is asking a valid question, about an episode that was most recent no less, then it is not pointless. Someone has curiosity about something they saw, felt the need to ask it, and other people in posts before and after yours have seen fit to engage in a civilised way by actually trying to give their opinion in response to the op's question. If a thread bores you, then just go straight to another one. Don't post just for the point of making the op feel bad by telling them how boring their thread is.

Here here, well said.

From what I remember (only seen it once) they all just turned up for the signal at first, then events went from there.

None of them had the Seal of the High Council, though.

Jake_Green is particularly quiet on this topic since posting the original question .....

It's his first post. Perhaps some of you lot have scared him off.

True, but either way Clara would remember it herself anyway because she's in her normal time when she tells the Doctor the Curator is looking for him.

I think it could get referenced in Series 8 because of the 12th Doctor supposedly having some degree of amnesia .... I'm thinking he might either temporarily remember meeting the Curator as he regains his memory, or that Clara might mention it as she tries to help him remember things?

Clara didn't witness the meeting right?

No, but it was Clara who told the Doctor there was an old man looking for him and she thought he was the curator .... that's what get's 11 talking about how he could do that as she goes into the TARDIS, then 11 meets Tom Baker...

...so Clara met the Curator off screen, not in the company of the 11th Doctor, and in her own time ..... she's going to remember it whether the Doctor does or not

Very well said.

They didn't need to:

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“Warning. Translation will be available to all lifeforms in range.”

What gets me is that, if hearing the message is the first time the universe realises that the Time Lords survived and that the Doctor is required to facilitate their return then this is the point at which Madame Korvarian must have decided that the Silence need to kill the Doctor and creates her breakaway faction and yet when the Doctor confronts Tasha Lem, the leader of the Silence, it seems to be old news

I'm confused, what indication did we ever get that the Doctor didn't remember the events of Time of the Doctor? I didn't even know that was a question! I thought the whole point was that he now had renewed purpose to find the Time Lords

Why would he have forgotten anyway? The third Doctor didn't forget the events of the Three Doctors, he remembered seeing Omega when they met again. The fifth Doctor remembered the events of the Five Doctors. I don't get why there's any question about it.

You mean The Day Of The Doctor?


Exactly, but that is not referenced whatsoever in The Time Of The Doctor, the episode would have worked just the same had the conversation with the Curator not happened.


Watch the end of The Day Of The Doctor again when the War Doctor and 10 both talk about how they aren't going to remember it...

...when multiple incarnations meet, after going their separate ways the earlier incarnations forget the details of their encounter with their future selves...


They are the latest incarnations in those stories, they don't forget because they haven't crossed paths with their possible FUTURE selves

I don't think the argument is that he would forget all the other events of the story - just that, if the Curator were a later incarnation of the Doctor, his earlier self wouldn't remember the events in detail, just like the War and Tenth Doctors wouldn't remember their interactions with Eleven.

Eleven didn't know for sure if his plan succeeded - the Curator strongly suggested that it did, but there's enough leeway that whether or not he had that conversation, there would still be doubt.

Ah, right, I get it now. I was thinking he was the current Doctor but, yes, to the Curator he wasn't.

Still, wasn't it the Curator that specifically wanted to talk to him? What would have been the point if the Curator knew he would forget the meeting straight afterwards?

I think the forgetting may be a consequence of a Doctor being pulled out of his natural time stream rather than just having timestreams cross?

Although, thinking about it, Day of the Doctor was really the War Doctor's natural timestream and ten and eleven were the ones pulled out of theirs by the Moment into the War Doctor's!

Oh well, that's timey wimey for you

Personally, I think it's ust the writers not thinking things through properly and we're left to try to make sense of it!

But wasn't that after the Doctor had stuck the Seal of the High Council on Handles?

Its only old news when they talk when he's much older, because its been hundreds of years by then so Kovarian has already done all that stuff, so it is old news by then!