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Why does Jason Hate SportsWomen??
camy934
06-03-2014
In regards to his terrible treatment of Beth over the last two years, this isn't the first time Jason has acting so terribly. In the past, Kelly Holmes, Sharron Davies and now Beth have all faced his caustic acid tongue but why is it that it always seems to be the sportswomen that he hones in on?
Vodka_Drinka
06-03-2014
Maybe he was bullied by sporty types at school, or far more likely he's just jealous.
johartuk
06-03-2014
Or far more likely, it's because they simply aren't as graceful on the ice or able to do well in the performance side of things - which is Jason's area of expertise and what he's judging on. When you look at the sports people who have taken part, only two have won (Kyran and Beth). Most have struggled, simply because they aren't actors and don't have the musicality that's needed. Beth, because her sport does involve movement to music and an element of grace, is better equipped, but she still struggles with the performance side.

I actually think that people need to ignore the judges and simply vote based on what they see, not what the judges say. Essentially the judges are pantomime. There is always a 'villain' on TV talent show judging panels Jason (DOI), Simon Cowell (X-Factor/BGT), Craig Revel-Horwood (Strictly), Zoe Tyler (BBC Casting Shows)...etc. They're playing a role.
humpty dumpty
06-03-2014
Originally Posted by johartuk:
“
I actually think that people need to ignore the judges and simply vote based on what they see, not what the judges say. Essentially the judges are pantomime. There is always a 'villain' on TV talent show judging panels Jason (DOI), Simon Cowell (X-Factor/BGT), Craig Revel-Horwood (Strictly), Zoe Tyler (BBC Casting Shows)...etc. They're playing a role.”

THIS^

People who want Beth to win should be loving Jason...they must realise that he is at least one of the factors why she has never been in the dance-off. If he and the other judges have any sense they will tell Beth she is wonderful and give her 10's on Sunday.
Schizo82
06-03-2014
I don't think he hates them. It seems that his criticism is to try and help them bring our their performance skills. Technically Beth is very good but when compared to the other celebs her performance isn't as strong.
dd68
06-03-2014
I'm hoping that once this show ends we won't see anymore of him
memmh
06-03-2014
Originally Posted by Schizo82:
“I don't think he hates them. It seems that his criticism is to try and help them bring our their performance skills. Technically Beth is very good but when compared to the other celebs her performance isn't as strong.”

Except that while he's quite critical of sportsmen as well, he's never as downright nasty towards them as he is to sportswomen. His comments to the sportswomen tend to get very unpleasantly personal. Perhaps he's threatened by them because they make him feel inadequate? I don't know but I imagine a psychologist would have a ball trying to analyse it.
Jethryk
06-03-2014
Originally Posted by johartuk:
“Or far more likely, it's because they simply aren't as graceful on the ice or able to do well in the performance side of things - which is Jason's area of expertise and what he's judging on. When you look at the sports people who have taken part, only two have won (Kyran and Beth). Most have struggled, simply because they aren't actors and don't have the musicality that's needed. Beth, because her sport does involve movement to music and an element of grace, is better equipped, but she still struggles with the performance side.

I actually think that people need to ignore the judges and simply vote based on what they see, not what the judges say. Essentially the judges are pantomime. There is always a 'villain' on TV talent show judging panels Jason (DOI), Simon Cowell (X-Factor/BGT), Craig Revel-Horwood (Strictly), Zoe Tyler (BBC Casting Shows)...etc. They're playing a role.”


Sorry but Jason's expertise shouldn't lead him to describe someone as looking like a man in drag or comparing them to faecal matter and that's before we start with the rudeness to Beth.

Sportspeople have done very well on Strictly. Gough, Ramps and Louis Smith winning, Denise Lewis, Matt Dawson and Colin Jackdon making the final and others like Jade doing well so why iid DOI any different?

Jason's comments are for himself and his own profile, I find it hard to accept that they are ever designed to make someone better.
thenetworkbabe
06-03-2014
Originally Posted by johartuk:
“Or far more likely, it's because they simply aren't as graceful on the ice or able to do well in the performance side of things - which is Jason's area of expertise and what he's judging on. When you look at the sports people who have taken part, only two have won (Kyran and Beth). Most have struggled, simply because they aren't actors and don't have the musicality that's needed. Beth, because her sport does involve movement to music and an element of grace, is better equipped, but she still struggles with the performance side.

I actually think that people need to ignore the judges and simply vote based on what they see, not what the judges say. Essentially the judges are pantomime. There is always a 'villain' on TV talent show judging panels Jason (DOI), Simon Cowell (X-Factor/BGT), Craig Revel-Horwood (Strictly), Zoe Tyler (BBC Casting Shows)...etc. They're playing a role.”

There's often also someone OTT who comments on the acting and goes for people who act in an OTT way too -like Jason and John Barrowman. There's also people who can't act that well - Robin, Van Outen, Barrowman, Len Goodman, Revel Horwood - who can't tell good acting from bad much of the time - they rarely see major talent, and expect every thing to be done one, obvious , way. There's also the shows where the intention isn't to find the best talent, but to find the one who will sell most to the most undiscerning audience afterwards, or keep most viewers watching for car crash TV.

Jason though doesn't really serve much purpose. He can tell you your dance moves need refinement, but they might as well ask the carpark attendant whether a routine has wow factor, difficulty, skating skill, or connects to the audience. His views on performance always reflect the quality of the routine, story and dance content , and he ends up rewarding the trained dancers and actors who look most like it, in the routine that fits them best, and doesn't involve much difficulty.
thenetworkbabe
06-03-2014
Originally Posted by Schizo82:
“I don't think he hates them. It seems that his criticism is to try and help them bring our their performance skills. Technically Beth is very good but when compared to the other celebs her performance isn't as strong.”

Obviously its never going to be as strong as a dance trained soap actor working in her own medium. Beth isn't as weak when she's got a role she can play as they make out - although the camera work doesn't help form a full picture. You could easily find roles Hayley or Ray couldn't play too, if you tried.There's also been a current in the comments on the show pointing out Hayley's acting limitations. Its been picked up less - because she's no sooner been critiised than the judges start giving her 10s for acting that way again - in a routine based on acting that way. .

One of the surprising issues with DOI is that they don't provide a level playing field - or work on weaker areas as much as SCD does. On SCD someone as skilled as Ola Jordan can take Chris Hollins to a win by emphasising what he can do , and avoiding what he cannot.. On DOI, you get dull routines if you are not seen as a contender, difficulty if you can do it, and routines right in your comfort zone if you are good at dancing and not difficulty. On Strictly, Beth would have been sent off to the acting coaches to boost her acting skills - which on Strictly often proves very successful.
BeethovensPiano
07-03-2014
Originally Posted by dd68:
“I'm hoping that once this show ends we won't see anymore of him”

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