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Old 14-03-2014, 01:23
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There are many gay footballers out there you would be naive to think otherwise but the cynic in me thinks they are trying to maximise the profits of their career by milking all the endorsements and sponsorships, more than they are scared to "come out" - particularly the top ones who have a vested financial interest in having a fake PR bearded relationship with a beautiful woman.

Sorry, that's just how I think..
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Old 14-03-2014, 02:05
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What happened to this big announcement??
There never was an annoucement. Someone was making stuff up on Twitter.
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Old 14-03-2014, 09:29
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Religion has nothing to do with sexuality. As an agnostic I don't see things with a religious view. Apparently the bible actually condemns homosexuality twice and heterosexuality 350 times and it's anti religious people that are making out that homosexuality is against Christianity. The Qur'an however condemns homosexuality more but in society it's worse to be racist. I agree that it's due to community and cultural beliefs though. But like I said a sexuality shouldn't be something to condemn or celebrate. It's just a sexuality and shouldn't effect their day to day life
Where have you been hiding? World religion and its texts have played a large part in shaping intolerance towards peoples sexuality (as well as portraying women as subservient and promoting xenophobia in several subtle and not so subtle forms), be it by direct reference to texts then interpreted verbatim or with bias, or completely misinterpreted.

If the bible has condemned heterosexuality 350 times then someone forgot to send the memo to the real life crazies about it, who only ever quote and screech about the misdemenours of homosexuality, using the bible to do it, nearly every time.

The Qur'an however condemns homosexuality more but in society it's worse to be racist
Can you please go tell that to the gay peope that have been killed (legally, see the middle east, parts of Africa), set on and hounded out of their homes/families across the world (even in the west), that it's 'worse to be racist'?

Your stance seems to be racism is worse than anything else and whilst racism might be more widespread, any form of phobia or prejudice is as bad if you are the victim of it. Hate is hate, no matter who it's aimed at.
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Old 14-03-2014, 09:51
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There are many gay footballers out there you would be naive to think otherwise but the cynic in me thinks they are trying to maximise the profits of their career by milking all the endorsements and sponsorships,

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Sol Campbell said a boot company asked if he WAS gay so maybe they thought having somebody who was guy on their books would actually increase PR and media attention.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/03/11...ay-footballer/

I guess some might be worried about how they would be seen by sponsors but in this day and age you'd think they might be very supportive.
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Old 14-03-2014, 12:34
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Making out it is isolating is what is making it isolating for them. Why should it be such a big thing? The chocolate biscuit thing was to illustrate how ridiculous making coming out of the closet a big thing is. People should be happy with who they are, why should anyone need to make out it's such a big thing, it just makes it harder for them to come out.
I'm not making out it's isolating, it is isolating. I'm speaking from experience here.

I'm an LGBT life mentor, I'm gay myself, I have an idea what people go through when they are struggling with their sexuality. Not everyone will have the same journey, but often, the thoughts that accompany the journey are very similar.

It's easy to say people should be happy with who they are, but in reality, struggling to be happy with you are, is not something exclusive to sexuality..
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Old 14-03-2014, 15:42
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There are many gay footballers out there you would be naive to think otherwise but the cynic in me thinks they are trying to maximise the profits of their career by milking all the endorsements and sponsorships, more than they are scared to "come out" - particularly the top ones who have a vested financial interest in having a fake PR bearded relationship with a beautiful woman.

Sorry, that's just how I think..
That is the reason many actors are said to have not come out, they feel they wouldn't be as much as a hearth throb for women or get the job as the masculine hero of the story but in other industries like the music industry it doesn't have any effect. With the sports industry it only creates hype at how it's going to change everything but it doesn't, like I mentioned before.

Where have you been hiding? World religion and its texts have played a large part in shaping intolerance towards peoples sexuality (as well as portraying women as subservient and promoting xenophobia in several subtle and not so subtle forms), be it by direct reference to texts then interpreted verbatim or with bias, or completely misinterpreted.
Religion is a scapegoat, it would be anti religious people who would have started about homosexuality being anti religious and some sects of Christianity and cults might have sprung from that. As a person that is neutral to religion I can see that the so called "atheists" who aren't atheists but instead anti religious people who are only anti religious because they were bought up in a religious household and when they left home they rebelled. They get together to paint a bad picture of religion and make out it's anti homosexuality and promotes paedophilia where as really those two times homosexuality was mentioned and the 350 times heterosexuality is condemned refers to men and women so in reality the bible actually more accepting of homosexuality than people think and you could say all those 352 references condemns paedophilia and so you could say being anti religious people support paedophilia because they disagree with text that condemns them.

If the bible has condemned heterosexuality 350 times then someone forgot to send the memo to the real life crazies about it, who only ever quote and screech about the misdemenours of homosexuality, using the bible to do it, nearly every time.
Very little people have actually read the bible, religion these days is more of a social and charity thing as well as being a belief in a higher being. If you asked most church goers to quote every thing from the bible barely anyone could. If you ask those who appear on religious discussion shows they are supportive of homosexuality. It is really a thing that anti religious people like to make in to a religious issue.

Can you please go tell that to the gay peope that have been killed (legally, see the middle east, parts of Africa), set on and hounded out of their homes/families across the world (even in the west), that it's 'worse to be racist'?
In their society it's not worse to be racist because racism is normal there. Most people in those areas wouldn't have a relationship with someone of a different race or socialise with them if they weren't in the city. They are still at the stage where homosexuality isn't socially accepted and to them homosexuality is still seen as a predatory sexuality.

Your stance seems to be racism is worse than anything else and whilst racism might be more widespread, any form of phobia or prejudice is as bad if you are the victim of it. Hate is hate, no matter who it's aimed at.
Now I am saying that interracial relationships were treated like paedophilia is today and that cycle progressed to the stage where people are still prejudges about it like homosexuality is today and how interracial couples are a normal thing that we wouldn't be shocked or amused if you see them. With the non acceptance of homosexuality it's higher amongst older people, people from African countries and people from middle eastern countries. As older people die and people from African and middle eastern countries become more westernised homosexuality intolerance will go. Racism is not as high as it was many years ago and this is partly from older racist people dying and younger generations being more accepting of other races.

I'm not making out it's isolating, it is isolating. I'm speaking from experience here.

I'm an LGBT life mentor, I'm gay myself, I have an idea what people go through when they are struggling with their sexuality. Not everyone will have the same journey, but often, the thoughts that accompany the journey are very similar.

It's easy to say people should be happy with who they are, but in reality, struggling to be happy with you are, is not something exclusive to sexuality..
I would say that was isolating them and making a bigger divide, you shouldn't have to keep things bottled up and suddenly come out and when people do come out they are making a distinction that they are different when in reality they are still human and work all the same, all that is different it they are sexually attracted so someone of the same sex.
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Old 14-03-2014, 18:16
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I would say that was isolating them and making a bigger divide, you shouldn't have to keep things bottled up and suddenly come out and when people do come out they are making a distinction that they are different when in reality they are still human and work all the same, all that is different it they are sexually attracted so someone of the same sex.
No, what isolates them is a heteronormative society with, cultural and institutional casual homophobia.

Do you understand how insulting and degrading the debate on equal marriage was, for example?

LGBT identifying people go in the closet because they are afraid of other peoples reactions, and the reason that is is because homophobia seems to be the last acceptable prejudice.
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Old 14-03-2014, 19:56
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Making out it is isolating is what is making it isolating for them. Why should it be such a big thing? The chocolate biscuit thing was to illustrate how ridiculous making coming out of the closet a big thing is. People should be happy with who they are, why should anyone need to make out it's such a big thing, it just makes it harder for them to come out.
do you seriously think coming out is no big deal?

I am not gay but I think its a massive deal, and of the people who have come out that are close to me, a lot of them have faced family members no longer contacting them at all, some social isolation. Some people have a perfectly fantastic coming out experience but a lot dont. Hopefully in this generation and the next it will have become a lot easier for people, but certainly things like telling your parents, when you dont know how they will react as there is prejedice in the worls, must be incredibly scary and stressful
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Old 14-03-2014, 21:55
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No, what isolates them is a heteronormative society with, cultural and institutional casual homophobia.

Do you understand how insulting and degrading the debate on equal marriage was, for example?

LGBT identifying people go in the closet because they are afraid of other peoples reactions, and the reason that is is because homophobia seems to be the last acceptable prejudice.
Why should they care what other people think? If the thought of what people think of them is the problem then why do they care what people think? Like I said before it is mainly those who are from African or middle eastern countries so I can understand it amongst those communities but among most UK communities it wouldn't be a problem.

do you seriously think coming out is no big deal?
No, I didn't say that it's not a big deal, I am saying it shouldn't be. In the end of the day it is their sexuality and they shouldn't care what other people think. They would still be the same people as they were before they came out.
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Old 17-03-2014, 00:21
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Why should they care what other people think? If the thought of what people think of them is the problem then why do they care what people think? Like I said before it is mainly those who are from African or middle eastern countries so I can understand it amongst those communities but among most UK communities it wouldn't be a problem.
Do you not care what your family think of you?

You really have no idea whatsoever do you?
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Old 17-03-2014, 23:55
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Do you not care what your family think of you?

You really have no idea whatsoever do you?
So you are saying that more people should care and they should oppress their sexuality if that sexuality is accepted in society? Again you are making out that it is a big thing. People shouldn't care what their sexuality is if it's accepted in society and making out that people like their family will disown them makes it worse.
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Old 18-03-2014, 00:37
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So you are saying that more people should care and they should oppress their sexuality if that sexuality is accepted in society? Again you are making out that it is a big thing. People shouldn't care what their sexuality is if it's accepted in society and making out that people like their family will disown them makes it worse.
I'm not saying that is what will happen, in fact, that is increasingly rare these days, especially here in the U.K, but that doesn't stop the fear.

Wondering what your friends will think, what your family will think, it's not always rational, but you feel like you're the only one going through it, you feel alone, you can't talk to anyone, or at least that's how you feel.
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Old 18-03-2014, 10:02
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Maybe Sol's next media appearance will be to claim if he'd been gay he would have been England captain for ten years.
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Old 18-03-2014, 14:31
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I'm not saying that is what will happen, in fact, that is increasingly rare these days, especially here in the U.K, but that doesn't stop the fear.

Wondering what your friends will think, what your family will think, it's not always rational, but you feel like you're the only one going through it, you feel alone, you can't talk to anyone, or at least that's how you feel.
But it is things like making a big thing about people coming out that would make people paranoid what other people think. People I know who have come out I always assumed they already were openly gay as did most people I know. When I was in college there was only one person I am aware that was bothered by someone in the class coming out. He was of African heritage who thought it was disgusting but looking at this facebook page now he is now openly gay himself so he would have only been saying that to hide his own homosexuality.

How would a football player (or anyone else for that matter) coming out make people think less of what their friends and family think of them? I would understand if we were talking about someone who is sexually attracted to animals or children because they aren't accepted in society or if they were something like a woman attracted to children because that doesn't exist yet in current society but someone who is sexually attracted to someone of the same gender is accepted.

Homosexuals aren't superhuman and should be treated evenly like everyone else is. Making out that coming out as being different divides more than making out we are all the same. If you look back to interracial relationships which the oppressed sexuality before homosexuality was they didn't have people coming out as being sexually attracted to people not of their own race, they made out that we are all the same and now you wouldn't think of interracially as a sexuality or batter an eye lid when you see an interracial couple.
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Old 18-03-2014, 21:51
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But it is things like making a big thing about people coming out that would make people paranoid what other people think. People I know who have come out I always assumed they already were openly gay as did most people I know. When I was in college there was only one person I am aware that was bothered by someone in the class coming out. He was of African heritage who thought it was disgusting but looking at this facebook page now he is now openly gay himself so he would have only been saying that to hide his own homosexuality.
So you've basically realised that people's coming out experiences will be different. Well done you.

Coming out, and the thought of coming out, are two completely separate things though.


How would a football player (or anyone else for that matter) coming out make people think less of what their friends and family think of them? I would understand if we were talking about someone who is sexually attracted to animals or children because they aren't accepted in society or if they were something like a woman attracted to children because that doesn't exist yet in current society but someone who is sexually attracted to someone of the same gender is accepted.
It would give them someone to identify with, it would show them that they are not the only one.

Homosexuals aren't superhuman and should be treated evenly like everyone else is. Making out that coming out as being different divides more than making out we are all the same. If you look back to interracial relationships which the oppressed sexuality before homosexuality was they didn't have people coming out as being sexually attracted to people not of their own race, they made out that we are all the same and now you wouldn't think of interracially as a sexuality or batter an eye lid when you see an interracial couple.
Interracial relationships are not a sexuality, also, although there is a similarity, there isn't the same isolation as with minority sexuality types.
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Old 18-03-2014, 22:54
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So you've basically realised that people's coming out experiences will be different. Well done you.

Coming out, and the thought of coming out, are two completely separate things though.
No, people from African and middle eastern countries oppress their sexuality if they are gay and they are thinking too much what people will think.

It would give them someone to identify with, it would show them that they are not the only one.
Everyone is different so someone who is not openly gay identifying with someone is openly gay won't be the same, you are putting all gay people into the same box. A middle age white man coming out would be different than a teenage black boy coming out. If you take for example Tom Daily coming out even if you were his age you wouldn't be able to identify with him unless you're a diver who has represented your country at many sports events and you have a boy friend 20 years older than you.

If someone thinks they are the only gay person in the world then they have been very isolated.

Interracial relationships are not a sexuality, also, although there is a similarity, there isn't the same isolation as with minority sexuality types.
Interracial relationships is the result of being sexually attracted to someone of a different race. You are seeing sexuality in a 2 dimensional way when in reality it is more of a multi dimensional way for example you can have a black man attracted to white men. In this case the man's sexuality is both interracial and homosexual. If a white woman is attracted to black girls her sexuality would be interracial and paedophilia. If a man was sexuality attracted to male Labrador puppies his sexuality would be homosexual, interspecies and paedophilic
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Old 18-03-2014, 23:14
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No, people from African and middle eastern countries oppress their sexuality if they are gay and they are thinking too much what people will think.
Given that my voluntary role as an LGBT Life Mentor is based in the U.K, I think I'm more than aware of who oppresses their sexuality, but thanks for the heads up?

If you'd been paying attention to C4, you'd have seen that even in 2014 there's such a thing as gay exorcism, apparently.

I've not been watching, but I saw it come up on twitter.


Everyone is different so someone who is not openly gay identifying with someone is openly gay won't be the same, you are putting all gay people into the same box. A middle age white man coming out would be different than a teenage black boy coming out. If you take for example Tom Daily coming out even if you were his age you wouldn't be able to identify with him unless you're a diver who has represented your country at many sports events and you have a boy friend 20 years older than you.
Given that I'd been talking about giving LGBT teens someone to identify with, I'm not exactly sure what you're on about. That being said, despite being 28, I completely identified with what Tom said in his coming out video..

Little thing called empathy.

If someone thinks they are the only gay person in the world then they have been very isolated.
And yet that is often how people feel, probably because sexuality is a self-professed phenomenon...how many kids do you think are openly out in the rougher areas of say, South London, for example?

I was at a South London university, and had plenty of trouble....

Interracial relationships is the result of being sexually attracted to someone of a different race. You are seeing sexuality in a 2 dimensional way when in reality it is more of a multi dimensional way for example you can have a black man attracted to white men. In this case the man's sexuality is both interracial and homosexual. If a white woman is attracted to black girls her sexuality would be interracial and paedophilia. If a man was sexuality attracted to male Labrador puppies his sexuality would be homosexual, interspecies and paedophilic
Interracial relationships are the result of being attracted to someone of a different race, sure, but race has little to do with sexuality, that'd be more to do with gender, whether binary or not.

I'm not looking at sexuality in a 2 dimensional way at all, I just realise that sexuality has little to do with attraction based on race..
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Old 19-03-2014, 01:30
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If you'd been paying attention to C4, you'd have seen that even in 2014 there's such a thing as gay exorcism, apparently.
I have watched it, it was actually made in 2013 (although that is not relevant). The idea that you could change someone's sexuality seems pointless and people should be happy with who they are. Although I don't agree with trying to change someone's sexuality I feel that the programme was more condemning the people were trying to make people heterosexual when really it's the homosexuals that want to be straight who seek them because they want to be heterosexual. Those who are homosexual and what to be straight would try anything if their goal was to be straight. I think it would have been better for them to do interviews with homosexuals that want to be straight and discuss why they want to be straight, by seeing why they would use services such as the ones shown in the programme could help in to them accepting their homosexuality or why a homosexual might want to be straight.

Given that I'd been talking about giving LGBT teens someone to identify with, I'm not exactly sure what you're on about. That being said, despite being 28, I completely identified with what Tom said in his coming out video..

Little thing called empathy.
You can't empathise with someone who is a 19 year old that has represented Great Britain in diving competitions in worldwide competitions unless you have done that. How can you identify or empathise with him?

And yet that is often how people feel, probably because sexuality is a self-professed phenomenon...how many kids do you think are openly out in the rougher areas of say, South London, for example?

I was at a South London university, and had plenty of trouble....
In some parts of South London there are large populations of people who come from African and/or Muslim backgrounds who are not accepting of homosexuality.

Interracial relationships are the result of being attracted to someone of a different race, sure, but race has little to do with sexuality, that'd be more to do with gender, whether binary or not.

I'm not looking at sexuality in a 2 dimensional way at all, I just realise that sexuality has little to do with attraction based on race..
A white man I know is sexually attracted to Indian women but got married to a white woman to try and change his sexual preference like the gay man in the programme that was married. There were probably cures for sexual attraction to people of other races.
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Old 19-03-2014, 01:59
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I have watched it, it was actually made in 2013 (although that is not relevant). The idea that you could change someone's sexuality seems pointless and people should be happy with who they are. Although I don't agree with trying to change someone's sexuality I feel that the programme was more condemning the people were trying to make people heterosexual when really it's the homosexuals that want to be straight who seek them because they want to be heterosexual. Those who are homosexual and what to be straight would try anything if their goal was to be straight. I think it would have been better for them to do interviews with homosexuals that want to be straight and discuss why they want to be straight, by seeing why they would use services such as the ones shown in the programme could help in to them accepting their homosexuality or why a homosexual might want to be straight.
Or maybe you should realise if you're being told things like, demons cause you to be gay, you might seek out a way to get rid of those demons.

Every message I received in my life as a young boy reinforced the idea that there is something wrong with being gay. Even down to the music, which had lovely songs singing about shooting gay people dead, or setting them on fire.

I really don't think you can understand the impact that this will have on someone struggling with their sexuality, and the reason they struggle is things like this.

If you've never received the message that it's okay to be LGBT, how do you find that out on your own?

I figured it out eventually, aged 19, after being sectioned due to a failed suicide attempt. It wasn't the first attempt, and it wasn't the last.

I've been telling you all over this thread why people may seek to try and change themselves, it's all down to the attitudes of others, but you keep ignoring it.





You can't empathise with someone who is a 19 year old that has represented Great Britain in diving competitions in worldwide competitions unless you have done that. How can you identify or empathise with him?
Since when do you have to have someone's exact experience to empathise with them?

Empathy is an ability to understand someone else's experience, there is no need for you to have gone through it.

For example, I can identify with someone who is transgendered, and going through dysphoria, but I've never been through it.




In some parts of South London there are large populations of people who come from African and/or Muslim backgrounds who are not accepting of homosexuality.
This isn't exclusive to African or Islamic backgrounds, good old Christianity is happy to have a pop too, you only have to look at the ridiculous debate on equal marriage to see this.



A white man I know is sexually attracted to Indian women but got married to a white woman to try and change his sexual preference like the gay man in the programme that was married. There were probably cures for sexual attraction to people of other races.
It's not remotely the same, you really are up the wrong tree with this one.
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Old 21-03-2014, 18:21
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This isn't exclusive to African or Islamic backgrounds, good old Christianity is happy to have a pop too, you only have to look at the ridiculous debate on equal marriage to see this.


The poster is not saying it doesn't exist in the Christian community which of course it does. The % of non acceptance in the Muslim and African communities is much much higher. If you knew a gay person from either African or Muslin communities you would know this. Sad but true.
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Old 21-03-2014, 18:33
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This isn't exclusive to African or Islamic backgrounds, good old Christianity is happy to have a pop too, you only have to look at the ridiculous debate on equal marriage to see this.


The poster is not saying it doesn't exist in the Christian community which of course it does. The % of non acceptance in the Muslim and African communities is much much higher. If you knew a gay person from either African or Muslin communities you would know this. Sad but true.
Given that one of my aunts and her family are Muslim, I think I am more than aware, I've also been contacted by people in these communities who seek help and reassurance.

I'm also partly Jamaican, so have an understanding of it from that perspective too.

I deal with this day in day out as a volunteer, so I'm unsure why you're questioning me in this way..
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Old 21-03-2014, 18:44
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Sol Campbell said a boot company asked if he WAS gay so maybe they thought having somebody who was guy on their books would actually increase PR and media attention.

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/03/11...ay-footballer/

I guess some might be worried about how they would be seen by sponsors but in this day and age you'd think they might be very supportive.
In the current climate, the media are gagging for a high-profile player to come out whilst they are in still playing. I think whoever did would make a fortune and probably create a media career for when they retire from the game.
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Old 21-03-2014, 23:39
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Or maybe you should realise if you're being told things like, demons cause you to be gay, you might seek out a way to get rid of those demons.
In evangelical Christianity they believe that everything has demons and it is their belief that their pastors can take the demons away. In reality these things are all in their mind but believing that there is a higher being and their demons have been taken out of them that can get make them think like a placebo.

Every message I received in my life as a young boy reinforced the idea that there is something wrong with being gay. Even down to the music, which had lovely songs singing about shooting gay people dead, or setting them on fire.
Most of those songs are of people from African heritage as I mentioned before.

I really don't think you can understand the impact that this will have on someone struggling with their sexuality, and the reason they struggle is things like this.

If you've never received the message that it's okay to be LGBT, how do you find that out on your own?

I figured it out eventually, aged 19, after being sectioned due to a failed suicide attempt. It wasn't the first attempt, and it wasn't the last.

I've been telling you all over this thread why people may seek to try and change themselves, it's all down to the attitudes of others, but you keep ignoring it.
I never said they wouldn't struggle, what I am saying is it shouldn't need to be that way. In the end of the day it is a sexuality and making out that all gay people need to announce their sexuality and making out they are different is counter intuitive. If the similarities are more emphasised like saying homosexuals and heterosexuals are the same, all that's different is the sexuality. Making out that all homosexuals need to announce they are homosexual and they aren't the same as the majority of people creates a bigger gap.

Since when do you have to have someone's exact experience to empathise with them?

Empathy is an ability to understand someone else's experience, there is no need for you to have gone through it.

For example, I can identify with someone who is transgendered, and going through dysphoria, but I've never been through it.
A world known pop star or sports star will have different feelings and experiences to people in the general public. It would be possible to empathise with someone in the same situation for example if you grew up in a poor family, a large family or grew up in a specific area of the UK you can empathise if you grew up in the same situation. If you are talking about someone known worldwide, who has millions of pounds and could walk in to a room and choose anyone who would be happy to be in a relationship with you then you can't empathise unless you are in that situation.

This isn't exclusive to African or Islamic backgrounds, good old Christianity is happy to have a pop too, you only have to look at the ridiculous debate on equal marriage to see this.
I didn't say it was exclusive to anyone. In the bible it condemns homosexuality twice but heterosexuality 350 times, marriage was one of these. With the "equal marriage" debate Islam and Christianity are also against other relationships for marriages, not just homosexuals.

It's not remotely the same, you really are up the wrong tree with this one.
It is, he was in a relationship with someone he wasn't sexually attracted to and got in another relationship with someone he was sexually attracted to. By saying it's not the same makes bigger gaps with homosexuality acceptance. If you make more of the similarities then it shows there is no difference so it should be more accepted.
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In evangelical Christianity they believe that everything has demons and it is their belief that their pastors can take the demons away. In reality these things are all in their mind but believing that there is a higher being and their demons have been taken out of them that can get make them think like a placebo.
Why are you posting this? Could you not address the actual point I was making? Seeing as you missed it let me make it clearer, my point was in regards to reasons why people may not be secure in their sexuality.


Most of those songs are of people from African heritage as I mentioned before.
Actually, the songs I mentioned were by Jamaican Ragga artists.


I never said they wouldn't struggle, what I am saying is it shouldn't need to be that way. In the end of the day it is a sexuality and making out that all gay people need to announce their sexuality and making out they are different is counter intuitive. If the similarities are more emphasised like saying homosexuals and heterosexuals are the same, all that's different is the sexuality. Making out that all homosexuals need to announce they are homosexual and they aren't the same as the majority of people creates a bigger gap.
All you keep doing is ignoring the point I'm making and bleating on about it being no different. I agree, it should be treated the same, that's exactly what I want, cultural norms mean that people are assumed straight unless they say otherwise..

You can pretend this isn't an issue if you want, but it is.

A world known pop star or sports star will have different feelings and experiences to people in the general public. It would be possible to empathise with someone in the same situation for example if you grew up in a poor family, a large family or grew up in a specific area of the UK you can empathise if you grew up in the same situation. If you are talking about someone known worldwide, who has millions of pounds and could walk in to a room and choose anyone who would be happy to be in a relationship with you then you can't empathise unless you are in that situation.
What does that have to do with me being able to empathise with Tom Daley in regards to his coming out? Money makes no difference to coming out, and when you mentioned Tom and empathy, we were talking about people in the public eye with whom LGBT teens can identify.


I didn't say it was exclusive to anyone. In the bible it condemns homosexuality twice but heterosexuality 350 times, marriage was one of these. With the "equal marriage" debate Islam and Christianity are also against other relationships for marriages, not just homosexuals.
The mentions are irrelevant it's the attitudes that they have that are important..


It is, he was in a relationship with someone he wasn't sexually attracted to and got in another relationship with someone he was sexually attracted to. By saying it's not the same makes bigger gaps with homosexuality acceptance. If you make more of the similarities then it shows there is no difference so it should be more accepted.
That doesn't make it similar.
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No, what isolates them is a heteronormative society with, cultural and institutional casual homophobia.

Do you understand how insulting and degrading the debate on equal marriage was, for example?

LGBT identifying people go in the closet because they are afraid of other peoples reactions, and the reason that is is because homophobia seems to be the last acceptable prejudice.
Honest answer please.

Did you make up that word?
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