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I made a valid point and opinion in the 'dont vote tory thread'. And also I posted my opinion about Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone in my original post. This is vastly different from those who start a thread topic and just say 'what do you think'. If you don't see the difference then its not my problem.
Also why don't you stay on topic? Instead of commenting on my posting style try addressing the points I have made. Its not attacking others opinions. Its called disagreeing. Its part of the joy of forums. You know. Where people get to agree and disagree. Or would it be better if everyone said 'Yes you're totally right!' all the time? Not only do I disagree with your opinion but I also am pointing out that you have made some factually inaccurate statements. That isn't 'attacking' anyone. Its noticeably you who has chosen to comment on me regarding things outside of the thread topic. So perhaps follow your own advice. Or not. I don't care. But I will continue to post my opinions. Hope that's ok with you. There's disagreeing and even strongly disagreeing but the way you've been replying consistently feels like your trying to 'tell me off' for having an opinion. |
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The problem is that you state as absolute fact that RTD had the option to erase the TV Movie (including McGann's Doctor) from history. This is a bit more than "having an opinion".
Bear in mind there had been years of merchandise featuring the Eighth Doctor since 1996 and Big Finish continued to produce Eighth Doctor audio plays after the launch of the 2005 series. Overwriting McGann would have alienated a lot of loyal fans. |
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There's disagreeing and even strongly disagreeing but the way you've been replying consistently feels like your trying to 'tell me off' for having an opinion.
If no-one disagrees with you, this thread is just going to end with your last post repeating what you said at the start and you telling yourself you're right. This is like playing chess with a Pigeon ![]() Also .... I would like to directly ask you for a response to this, as you seem to have overlooked it ... Quote:
No you've just forgotten the difference between an episode of a show and a movie
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I know the difference...
Regan was the pilot for the TV series The Sweeney ....... "Sweeney"(1977) and "Sweeney 2"(1978) are movies. Space Seed is an episode of Star Trek:TOS ....... Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan is a movie. Firefly is a TV Show ....... Serenity is a Movie. ... need I go on? ![]() |
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No ones starting trouble. Just pointing out that you have made some inaccurate statements about the nature of the TV pilot.
Everyone can have a fun debate about 'what if' but that's not actually what you've done on this thread. You seem convinced that the TV pilot was some bizarre anomaly in Who history up until the point RTD placed it in the canon. This isn't true. Its not a point for conjecture. McGann was and always has been canon. You might not like that fact and that's another debate. But stop pretending this isn't true. Because it is. You made a statement previously saying implying that the 'real' series ran from Survival through to Rose and that the TV pilot was not part of this. I asked you to explain why and you ignored it. Yet again I will repeat. The TV pilot was a direct continuation of Doctor Who and was intended as such at the time of broadcast. You cant rewrite history to suit your own opinions on its relative merits. Also you might want to try not insulting other forum members by implying we aren't 'engaging normally' just because we challenge your statements. That's the point of a discussion. And so far you are yet to address the points made apart from accusing someone else of being incapable of telling the difference between an episode and a movie. In fact its you who seems to not understand the difference. |
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Maybe that reflects the the consistently weak nature of your argument and the fact that you don't seem prepared to consider that the opinions of others who disagree with you are backed by evidence.
If no-one disagrees with you, this thread is just going to end with your last post repeating what you said at the start and you telling yourself you're right. This is like playing chess with a Pigeon ![]() Also .... I would like to directly ask you for a response to this, as you seem to have overlooked it ... ??? |
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Well in response to that I would say that as far as I've been aware of who it's always been the tv movie, I've never seen it referred to as anything else. Just because a series was intended to follow dosen't neccesarily mean it wasn't still a movie. There have been many movies that later became tv shows. If someone did indeed class it as a 'pilot' at the time and there is evidence of this then fair enough, I've just personally never seen it described as such.
The title "The Movie" wasn't used officially until the DVD was released, several years later. The official title was always just "Doctor Who". The BBC fully embraced Paul McGann as the current Doctor and the logo was used across all branding. Indeed, the TV Movie logo/branding is still used for classic series DVDs and Big Finish productions. |
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Well in response to that I would say that as far as I've been aware of who it's always been the tv movie, I've never seen it referred to as anything else. Just because a series was intended to follow dosen't neccesarily mean it wasn't still a movie. There have been many movies that later became tv shows. If someone did indeed class it as a 'pilot' at the time and there is evidence of this then fair enough, I've just personally never seen it described as such.
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This thread is almost making me think all of New Who is non-canon, since it didn't strictly follow on from McGanns time
![]() No wait, I've just had a cup of tea, all is well, its all canon
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If someone did indeed class it as a 'pilot' at the time and there is evidence of this then fair enough, I've just personally never seen it described as such.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-R...l+regeneration Further reading: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Nth-Doct...rds=nth+doctor I find it bizarre that you're somehow unaware of the wealth of evidence that the TV Movie was intended as a "backdoor pilot" for a TV series.
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Evidence? Philip Segal's quest to relaunch Doctor Who as a TV series is so well-documented that I'm amazed any long-term fan could possibly be unaware of it. In addition to all the interviews and documentaries clearly stating his intention to make a full series, the guy even wrote a book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Who-R...l+regeneration Further reading: http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Nth-Doct...rds=nth+doctor I find it bizarre that you're somehow unaware of the wealth of evidence that the TV Movie was intended as a "backdoor pilot" for a TV series. ![]() Anyway whether or not anyone believes it was indeed a tv movie or episode pilot, the fact is nothing else came of it. It was neither produced as a part of classic who or new who so it stands alone on a production level and even though it is now acknowledged as a part of the history of the series, and makes sense to do that given the Mccoy regeneration is in there as it now stands (as could have been re done alternately), I feel that since the ongoing series of classic who finished at survival, there could have been a choice for RTD to feel that he didn't need to acknowledge it. Yes, Im sure it would have angered many fans who had believed it was 'cannon' but that dosen't change the fact that he could have done it if he'd wanted. The closest thing I can compare it to is star wars. their have been many books written about event's after return of the jedi, and george lucas insisted that no star wars movies were going to be made after that point so the books were cannon as much if they'd been on screen. Yet now star wars 7 is going to be made and all the people who have believed those books for all those years are now up in arms that the movie will 'change' what they see as canonical events, but the fans anger dosen't change the fact that they will write whatever story they feel like and I fully feel RTD could have done the same in reagrds to the tv movie. controversial? of course. Fully within his power as showrunner? yes also. |
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I can't actually recall ever seeing a 'pilot' that was an hour and a half in length, unless all the episodes were intended to be that long, such as in the case of sherlock, which presumably wouldn't have been the case for doctor who. Most american tv episodes are about 45-50 mins long and shown in an hour slot to accommodate adverts.
I'm positive there are other shows that got movie-length pilot episodes, but its definitely not a unique occurrence for Doctor Who. |
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. Fully within his power as showrunner? yes also.
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Actually that might not be the case. The BBC could easily reject such a pitch.
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All of the Star Trek shows, with the exception of the original series, had 90 minute pilots and 45 minute regular episodes. Heck, even the original series originally had a 90 minute pilot, but it wasn't accepted and a second 45 minute pilot actually kicked off the show.
I'm positive there are other shows that got movie-length pilot episodes, but its definitely not a unique occurrence for Doctor Who. I just thought a fun little 'what if' thread on if it were to be ignored would be interesting, but obviously I have touched a nerve among some who seem to hold its inclusion as vitally important, which was never my intention, and I feel that at this point further discussion of the subject is, for me, pointless as I'm just repeating my believes over and over whilst those who feel differently are doing the same. I hold no bad feeling and respect that everyone has a different opinion, Thanks for engaging folks. see you on the next thread
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All of the Star Trek shows, with the exception of the original series, had 90 minute pilots and 45 minute regular episodes. Heck, even the original series originally had a 90 minute pilot, but it wasn't accepted and a second 45 minute pilot actually kicked off the show.
I'm positive there are other shows that got movie-length pilot episodes, but its definitely not a unique occurrence for Doctor Who. |
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I fullly agree that you should be allowed to post your opinions and have every right to disagree with me, as others have done also, as you say its often part of the fun. I'm also aware that my last post was maybe a little personal, and for that I apologise. I just feel that their have been a lot of posters who have come on here who have said that they acknowledge RTD could have made that choice, and their are others who have said things in the way of 'i disagree because....' which are examples of both agreeing and disagreeing whilst still keeping in the spirit of things, whereas it's felt that since you came onto this thread it's been your mission to make me feel that I should be ashamed for daring to even have the opinions that I do at all, which has affectively ruined the thread for me because I now feel I'm practically 'not allowed' to post my opinions on the topic without you launching another rant about how terrible I am.
There's disagreeing and even strongly disagreeing but the way you've been replying consistently feels like your trying to 'tell me off' for having an opinion. |
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"If we fight like animals, we'll DIE like animals!"
Debate is cool. Bullying is despicable. We're all fans and have our opinions. Respect is paramount. You all have good taste in genre TV and all is good here I think. I like this forum. Long live Doctor Who! Opinions are like buses, three turn up at a...no, hang on, that's not right. Not being serious. Just vainly trying to come up with something vaguely interesting for me 1000th post. Peace.
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