UK TV abroad

Jenny_Austin · 09-03-2014, 22:29

Some years ago the European Union ruled that it was illegal to prevent UK channels being viewed in other countries, how is it then that it is still not possible to get UK TV via the net abroad?

The Phazer · 09-03-2014, 22:55

The EU ruled absolutely no such thing.

Which is probably where your confusion comes from.

Jenny_Austin · 09-03-2014, 23:47

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Originally Posted by The Phazer

The EU ruled absolutely no such thing.

Which is probably where your confusion comes from.

Did they not, sure there was a case involving a football game screened in a pub that went to the European courts and the broadcasters lost?

spiney2 · 10-03-2014, 16:54

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Originally Posted by Jenny_Austin

Did they not, sure there was a case involving a football game screened in a pub that went to the European courts and the broadcasters lost?

overturned on appeal .......

.... from memory this was a pub using Digitalb sports (i think)) but uk courts ruled that SkyUK must be used because of contarctual relationship with providor ......

http://recombu.com/digital/news/prem...rt_M11911.html

Adam_Holt · 10-03-2014, 17:12

Take a look at http://www.britishtvlive.com they have a guide on how this can be achieved

Darthchaffinch · 10-03-2014, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Jenny_Austin

Some years ago the European Union ruled that it was illegal to prevent UK channels being viewed in other countries, how is it then that it is still not possible to get UK TV via the net abroad?

Odd, we get all channels here.

technologist · 10-03-2014, 19:58

Read what the directive says

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The Directive establishes the principle that Member States must ensure freedom of reception and that they may not restrict retransmission on their territory of television programmes from other Member States. They may, however, suspend retransmission of television programmes which infringe the Directive's provisions on the protection of minors.

At http://europa.eu/legislation_summari.../l24101_en.htm
This just lays down what governments can do ....

Not what broadcasters enforce under other legislation......
Mainly by the Berne convention of 1886 as amended
http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/text.jsp?file_id=283698

The Phazer · 10-03-2014, 22:43

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Originally Posted by Jenny_Austin

Did they not, sure there was a case involving a football game screened in a pub that went to the European courts and the broadcasters lost?

No. The case was wildly misreported.

The appeal reduced the sentence from a criminal one to a civil one. That was, in a way, a victory, but the pub in question still *lost*. There were a number of interesting implications to come out of that case, about how much copyright protection sporting events attract, about if there was a prohibition of moving subscription equipment across territories etc.

But there was nothing in that result that compelled a copyright holder to provide a programme to someone in all European territories.

09-03-2014, 22:29	#1
Jenny_Austin Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Nr Manchester Posts: 362	UK TV abroad Some years ago the European Union ruled that it was illegal to prevent UK channels being viewed in other countries, how is it then that it is still not possible to get UK TV via the net abroad?

09-03-2014, 22:55	#2
The Phazer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 8,213	The EU ruled absolutely no such thing. Which is probably where your confusion comes from.

09-03-2014, 23:47	#3
Jenny_Austin Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Nr Manchester Posts: 362	Quote: Originally Posted by The Phazer The EU ruled absolutely no such thing. Which is probably where your confusion comes from. Did they not, sure there was a case involving a football game screened in a pub that went to the European courts and the broadcasters lost?

10-03-2014, 16:54	#4
spiney2 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 24,123	Quote: Originally Posted by Jenny_Austin Did they not, sure there was a case involving a football game screened in a pub that went to the European courts and the broadcasters lost? overturned on appeal ....... .... from memory this was a pub using Digitalb sports (i think)) but uk courts ruled that SkyUK must be used because of contarctual relationship with providor ...... http://recombu.com/digital/news/prem...rt_M11911.html

10-03-2014, 17:12	#5
Adam_Holt Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 74	Take a look at http://www.britishtvlive.com they have a guide on how this can be achieved

10-03-2014, 19:31	#6
Darthchaffinch Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,104	Quote: Originally Posted by Jenny_Austin Some years ago the European Union ruled that it was illegal to prevent UK channels being viewed in other countries, how is it then that it is still not possible to get UK TV via the net abroad? Odd, we get all channels here.

10-03-2014, 19:58	#7
technologist Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 7,519	Read what the directive says Quote: The Directive establishes the principle that Member States must ensure freedom of reception and that they may not restrict retransmission on their territory of television programmes from other Member States. They may, however, suspend retransmission of television programmes which infringe the Directive's provisions on the protection of minors. At http://europa.eu/legislation_summari.../l24101_en.htm This just lays down what governments can do .... Not what broadcasters enforce under other legislation...... Mainly by the Berne convention of 1886 as amended http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/text.jsp?file_id=283698

10-03-2014, 22:43	#8
The Phazer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 8,213	Quote: Originally Posted by Jenny_Austin Did they not, sure there was a case involving a football game screened in a pub that went to the European courts and the broadcasters lost? No. The case was wildly misreported. The appeal reduced the sentence from a criminal one to a civil one. That was, in a way, a victory, but the pub in question still lost. There were a number of interesting implications to come out of that case, about how much copyright protection sporting events attract, about if there was a prohibition of moving subscription equipment across territories etc. But there was nothing in that result that compelled a copyright holder to provide a programme to someone in all European territories.

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