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Old 17-03-2014, 01:10
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When asked about the return of the Master, he said we should not "get stuck on old preferences" and try to introduce new things like in Tom Bakers time.

http://www.thegallifreytimes.co.uk/2...of-master.html

This quote is either

deliberate mis-direction and the Master is on his way
Totally about time someone said this
Completely based on rose tinted views of Tom Bakers era ironically against the central theme of his own comments about not looking to much at the past
Does not realise that after SO many pertwee Master stories they NEEDED new enemies
Of he is just fed up of answering the same question.


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Old 17-03-2014, 02:26
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Don't understand your Pertwee comment. The Autons, Silurians, Axos, Daemons, Ogrons, The Sea Devils, Omega, Drashings, Draconians and the Sontarans all started in the Pertwee era. (10)
Compared to:-
Macra, Chameleons, Yeti, Ice Warriors, Dominators and Krotons in the Troughton era (6) and
Daleks, Sensorites, Zarbi, Mechanoids, Drahvins,
Monoids and Cybermen in the Hartnell era.(7)

Don't think the Pertwee era was lacking in new monsters.
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Old 17-03-2014, 02:33
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I'm not a fan of the man but, unless he's being disingenuous, completely agree with him. New things are more interesting and more accessible than the extraordinarily tiresome Moriarty angle.
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Old 17-03-2014, 02:58
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I have to agree. Seeing new things is always great in this show, and I think nothing can be gained from dredging up the past.

However, there's also a guilty pleasure in seeing certain enemies stand the test of time, and see them years after we've last seen them. While I don't want a series to be filled with nothing but returning foes, I think it's nice to see one or two old foes come back. The Master is someone I think each Doctor should face at the very least once, I was disappointed that Smith never got his shot at him, so here's hoping Capaldi gets a good story against him..

While we should always look forward to what sort of new things we can see, it's always nice to step into some nostalgia every once and a while.
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Old 17-03-2014, 03:38
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Certain enemies like the Daleks and Cyberman are considered to be mortal enemies of the Doctor and will always be there for the Doctor to battle. That doesn't mean he should see them every week or even every series. Other past foes should be used very rarely, if ever as their story ended usually so well.

The Master and the Rani are different. The Master's story would have to be developed as he was dying and Gallifrey was gone. Where do we go there with him? As far with the Rani, she may be on Gallifrey, but since she was wanted by the Timelords there, what is her status? She could have been pardoned and used her talents during the time war is the best bet.

But new enemies should be found for the Doctor. It is a big Universe!
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Old 17-03-2014, 09:21
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Depends upon the story, I think. If a writer has an idea and the concept would perfectly suit, say, The Mara, then great. But agree with above comments that new creations are important so that the show doesn't get too self reflective and backward looking...let's add to the, er, Menagerie.

Suppose the most recent example is the Zygons. Personally thought they worked well in the 50th although I prefer the 'Terror...' look. And did have a little fanboy grin when I heard they were returning, but bottom line for me, if there's a cracking idea for a returning character/Monster....cool. The story's the thing.
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Old 17-03-2014, 10:25
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Think it should always be a mixture of old or rather classic baddies and new. Look forward to seeing trailers and or previews during the summer. Probably a late August or early September premiere for S8.
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Old 17-03-2014, 10:38
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When asked about the return of the Master, he said we should not "get stuck on old preferences" and try to introduce new things like in Tom Bakers time. .
Given that Gatiss is a huge fan of the Pertwee era, I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be a little white lie to hide the return of the Master
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Old 17-03-2014, 11:19
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Don't understand your Pertwee comment. The Autons, Silurians, Axos, Daemons, Ogrons, The Sea Devils, Omega, Drashings, Draconians and the Sontarans all started in the Pertwee era. (10)
Compared to:-
Macra, Chameleons, Yeti, Ice Warriors, Dominators and Krotons in the Troughton era (6) and
Daleks, Sensorites, Zarbi, Mechanoids, Drahvins,
Monoids and Cybermen in the Hartnell era.(7)

Don't think the Pertwee era was lacking in new monsters.
Most of those in Pertwee's time featured more than once, then you had the Master every other story until Roger Delgado's death. And UNIT. So, yes, it did need freshening in a big way.
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Old 17-03-2014, 15:42
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Most of those in Pertwee's time featured more than once, then you had the Master every other story until Roger Delgado's death. And UNIT. So, yes, it did need freshening in a big way.
Actually aside from the list only the Autons, Ogrons & Ice Warriors. So 30% not exactly most.

The Master was in a third of the Pertwee stories not exactly half.

The problems of the Pertwee years of the Earthbound stories and over use of the Master in one season had sorted itself before Pertwee's last year.

As for repeating, the Cybermen were in 4 Troughtons, with the Daleks, Yeti and Ice Warriors repeated as well. The Daleks were in 4/5 Hartnells. So no it was in no more need of refreshing than after the Hartnell or Troughton years.

Less than after the Troughton years really because the future of the show wasn't at stake during Tom Baker's 1st years.


I tend to think Mark Gatiss remarks may well be mis-direction.
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Old 17-03-2014, 16:12
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I think it really depends on the monster- there have been some new ones that are so rubbish I would rather see old ones returning, although there have been countless new enemies that have been fantastic- The Silence, Midnight creature, the gelth. There have also been plenty of monsters that have bee overused in the new series- the cybermen, Sontarans and The Weeping Angels to name a few.

The Master on the other hand, considering he has the advantage of being completely reinvented whenever he gets tiresome, I think he's been considerably underused and I would love to see him return
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Old 17-03-2014, 16:26
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Misdirection I think - giving an answer to a master question to avoid definitively one way or another, but giving an answer which makes it sound like he's denying it. With him and Moffat working on both doctor who and sherlock they've become masters at confusing the press through necessity

In my opinion it would be a bit hypocritical of him to really have this sort of opinion now when only last series he wrote an ice warriors story, which I understand was due to him asking Moffat to let him bring them back.
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Old 17-03-2014, 18:21
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I guess there is a certain irony that Gatiss played a character in Who (Lazarus) that was given advanced scientific gene knowledge and technology by ... the Master as we discovered in a later episode.
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Old 17-03-2014, 19:19
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Certain enemies like the Daleks and Cyberman are considered to be mortal enemies of the Doctor and will always be there for the Doctor to battle. That doesn't mean he should see them every week or even every series. Other past foes should be used very rarely, if ever as their story ended usually so well.

The Master and the Rani are different. The Master's story would have to be developed as he was dying and Gallifrey was gone. Where do we go there with him? As far with the Rani, she may be on Gallifrey, but since she was wanted by the Timelords there, what is her status? She could have been pardoned and used her talents during the time war is the best bet.

But new enemies should be found for the Doctor. It is a big Universe!
Indeed it is but our Doctor seems to operate in a very small patch of it on the whole and keeps running in to the same old enemies constantly and always manages to pick up a new companion from 20th/21st Century Earth.
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