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Why producers can't develop any companion without creating a romantic relationships?!
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Antimon_Bush
18-03-2014
Here we go...
Rose had romance with Doctor, Mickey and ended with Tentoo
Whole Martha's story was based on her infatuation with Doctor and she ended with Mickey.
Donna's story ended with her wedding day.
Amy's story was basiclly a soap opera 'Pond life'.
Also we had Doctor/River romance.

Now we have Danny Pink who will probably be Clara's boyfriend.


Don't get me wrong, I really liked Martha's story and Pond life was also good until some point. But I'd really like to see sth different and really hoped that Clara will be developed in different way. But now it seems to me that DW is becoming a soap opera. And I am a little bit disappointed that they can't develop any character without romance. Romance is good, but too repetitive in DW IMO.

So, what do you think?
sandydune
18-03-2014
Originally Posted by Antimon_Bush:
“Now we have Danny Pink who will probably be Clara's boyfriend.

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He could just be a friend who makes Clara laugh with tales of his escapades.
JackMShep
18-03-2014
Because having relationships is a big part of everyone's life- it gives the characters a third dimension
saladfingers81
18-03-2014
Relationships are a part of most peoples day to day life to one extent or another. That said its not as if Clara has had anything resembling a love life since she started and you're just guessing about Danny Pink.

Human interactions and love stories do not equal soap opera. Its always been an integral part of storytelling for centuries.
Face Of Jack
18-03-2014
I think it brings more to the characters to be honest. I love it as a Sci-Fi show - but let's have it more real by introducing stuff like this into it. (American Sci-Fi does it all the time!) The Classic series was different......it wasn't the 'done thing' in those days! They just got on with the story.........but now it's a different scenario. As long as their affairs do not interfere with the main story - what the heck! Let's have a bit of fun in-between!!
Mulett
18-03-2014
I think the question should be; "How did Classic Who get away with turning all the characters into eunuchs?"
Corwin
18-03-2014
Originally Posted by Face Of Jack:
“The Classic series was different......it wasn't the 'done thing' in those days! They just got on with the story.........)”

The Classic series was full of romantic relationships for the companions.


They just weren't spread out over multiple stories

Bye Doctor I'm off down the Amazon with this Scientist I just met who is like a young version of you.

Bye Doctor I'm staying on Gallifrey with this guy I just met even though non Time Lords aren't really welcomed here.


Bye Doctor you thought I was dead but I'm really eloping with this alien Barbarian King.


Bye Doctor I'm leaving you to travel with this Intergalactic Con Man.
johnnysaucepn
18-03-2014
Why can't people live their lives without creating romantic relationships?
Grisonaut
18-03-2014
Thank you for the mahoosive and explanatory thread title.

This will be pleasing to some folks.
Grisonaut
18-03-2014
Btw, the Donna point is tenuous.
Irma Bunt
18-03-2014
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“Why can't people live their lives without creating romantic relationships?”

Lots of sci-fi fans do, I believe....
CD93
18-03-2014
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“Why can't people live their lives without creating romantic relationships?”

Increased probability of extinction,
The_Judge_
18-03-2014
Originally Posted by Grisonaut:
“Btw, the Donna point is tenuous.”

Agree, she clearly didn't want to "mate"

P. S. Antimon, is this a minor or major irritation?

P. P. S. Were Amy and Rory really the only characters to in the TARDIS? There could be oh so many "~timelord-alikes~" out there born of "love in a Type40US" !
Tom Tit
19-03-2014
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“The Classic series was full of romantic relationships for the companions.
”


I just rewatched 'The Daleks' aka 'The Mutants' (by God, it gets tedious), and at the end of it Barbara planted a pretty passionate kiss CLOSE to the mouth of a pretty stunned Thal dude, after he'd very forwardly kissed her hand. She flirts pretty strongly with Ian in the Romans too. The Doctor himself got engaged in 'The Aztecs'.

The fact is, it was later when Doctor Who became very self-conscious about portraying any kind of romance and it became some sort of production taboo. To it's detriment.

I've said before: romantic content doesn't bother me as long as it's handled naturallisticaly (ie not 'let's give Clara a boyfriend' for the sake of it) and realistically (ie not the Doctor and rose) and is part of the characterization, not the basis for the plots.
lotrjw
19-03-2014
Originally Posted by The_Judge_:
“Agree, she clearly didn't want to "mate"

P. S. Antimon, is this a minor or major irritation?

P. P. S. Were Amy and Rory really the only characters to in the TARDIS? There could be oh so many "~timelord-alikes~" out there born of "love in a Type40US" !”

well I can imagine that its only been Amy and Rory that have in the Doctor's TARDIS, I cant think anyone else has, well since the Doctor has occupied it! Oh and certainly no one else in the Whoniverse since Gallifrey has been frozen.
bp2
19-03-2014
Originally Posted by JackMShep:
“Because having relationships is a big part of everyone's life- it gives the characters a third dimension”

Not true. I can think of many people who have never had a romantic relationship in their life. And you can have good or decent characters without them having romance e.g. Jonathan Creek (In that case I would say having a wife made the character worse), Inspector Morse, Bart Simpson, Poirot, Miss Marple, virtually all the characters in the Gerry Anderson puppet series, Sherlock Holmes, the main characters in Yes Minister, Blackadder, Dad's Army, Wallace and Gromit and many others.
saladfingers81
19-03-2014
Actually laughing deliriously. God bless this wonderful forum and all who sail in...post on...oh whatever. You know what I mean.
daveyboy7472
19-03-2014
Originally Posted by bp2:
“Not true. I can think of many people who have never had a romantic relationship in their life. And you can have good or decent characters without them having romance e.g. Jonathan Creek (In that case I would say having a wife made the character worse), Inspector Morse, Bart Simpson, Poirot, Miss Marple, virtually all the characters in the Gerry Anderson puppet series, Sherlock Holmes, the main characters in Yes Minister, Blackadder, Dad's Army, Wallace and Gromit and many others.”

Being a huge Blackadder fan I feel the need to point out Blackadder did indeed have romance in his life. The opening episode of Series 2 he had a romance with 'Bob' otherwise known as Kate and nearly married her until Rik Mayall's Lord Flasheart turned up and whisked her away. There was also an underlying and unspoken romance between him and the Queen which came to the fore in the last episode.

And in the Fourth Series he had more of a Sexual Relationship with a nurse at a hospital and there was a hint of romance there.

As for Doctor Who, it managed for 26 years with major romance though there were companions who fell in love when they left, not sure if you would count Leela amongst those really though! I don't mind the new romantic angle in the New series but I do agree it would be nice to have one more companion who's just there for the journey like Donna was.

Satmanager
19-03-2014
Clara kept her crush on 11 fairly hidden with only the little mention of his "sad eyes" and a touch to the face. She may not be attracted to 12 now and is looking at Danny Pink instead. It is going to be interesting to see how Moffat is going to take this.
CLL Dodge
19-03-2014
With the creator of Coupling in charge I don't imagine things are going to change.
johnnysaucepn
19-03-2014
Originally Posted by Grisonaut:
“Btw, the Donna point is tenuous.”

Although she not only had a romantic relationship in Forest of the Dead, she settled down, got married and had kids!
Sara_Peplow
19-03-2014
Doctor needs his friends and they need him. However sometimes they need more. Their own loves and lives. It is sad but he has to let them go eventually. Maybe Clara and Danny will get a happy ending. Leaving the tardis to marry and possibly have a family. Rather that then another sob fest in a graveyard like Amy and Rory.
CoalHillJanitor
19-03-2014
I was going to say something about Wallace and Gromit, but there's really no point, is there?
sebbie3000
19-03-2014
Originally Posted by bp2:
“Not true. I can think of many people who have never had a romantic relationship in their life. And you can have good or decent characters without them having romance e.g. Jonathan Creek (In that case I would say having a wife made the character worse), Inspector Morse, Bart Simpson, Poirot, Miss Marple, virtually all the characters in the Gerry Anderson puppet series, Sherlock Holmes, the main characters in Yes Minister, Blackadder, Dad's Army, Wallace and Gromit and many others.”

First of all... Wow!

Secondly, I'm sorry, but you're wrong with many of those. Bart has frequently fallen in love and been smitten with girls.Sherlock Holmes has/had Irene Adler.Blackadder has been explained previously. Both Wallace and Gromit have had love interests, with Wallace's being major pivotal plot points. Either you are ignoring the romance, or you're just not seeing it. Either way it is very much, quite obviously there.

You can have some characters without having romatic relationships. But in creating a character who is incapable of or actively shuns them, that is an essential part of their character which is often exposed, in much the same frequency as a romantic relationship would be. And to create a character that is capable of it, doesn't actively shun it, but it just never happens for - that would be a very one-dimensional character.
JackMShep
19-03-2014
Originally Posted by bp2:
“Not true. I can think of many people who have never had a romantic relationship in their life. And you can have good or decent characters without them having romance e.g. Jonathan Creek (In that case I would say having a wife made the character worse), Inspector Morse, Bart Simpson, Poirot, Miss Marple, virtually all the characters in the Gerry Anderson puppet series, Sherlock Holmes, the main characters in Yes Minister, Blackadder, Dad's Army, Wallace and Gromit and many others.”

I never said romantic relationships- you made that bit up. Like I said relationships are a big part of everyone's lives and so they've got to have some contact with outsiders- romantic relationships just happens to be a good way to do that as there are so many possibilities
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