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Robbie Roscoe/Charlie Wernham Appreciation Thread
This thread is for the few like me who are starting to like and feel sorry for Robbie. Although Robbie's past actions and homophobic bullying of JP were appalling, since he learnt Finn raped JP, he has tried to put things right. I found his real victim impact statement very moving. I only wish he hadn't idiotically told Finn what he was going to do. I have compassion for Robbie, being caught in this difficult situation and as the only one who knows the truth he is under a lot of pressure - ideally he should tell his family and the authorities but they want to drag out the storyline. Even those who don't like Robbie must acknowledge that Charlie is doing a brilliant job.
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One of my favourite characters atm. What he did to JP was disgusting, but since he found out about the rape he has tried to put it right.
I feel sorry for him because he tried to do the right thing (by changing his statement) but it has made him look even worse after Finn changed it. And now he is in a difficult position with Finn blackmailing him. |
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One of my favourite characters atm. What he did to JP was disgusting, but since he found out about the rape he has tried to put it right.
I feel sorry for him because he tried to do the right thing (by changing his statement) but it has made him look even worse after Finn changed it. And now he is in a difficult position with Finn blackmailing him. |
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I agree Sam - but surely JP as the only one who knows Robbie knows about the rape, and since Robbie's apology on the bridge might suspect that malicious statement was Finn's work? I mean after all Finn's the one who raped him not Robbie so Finn is more likely to be depraved.
People such as Nana, Sam, Ste, etc, who support JP, will think that Robbie was the one that wrote that statement, and will think he is lying. |
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JP might think that Finn wrote that statement, but the people supporting him won't.
People such as Nana, Sam, Ste, etc, who support JP, will think that Robbie was the one that wrote that statement, and will think he is lying. Though he should tell people what Finn did I understand that "Demon" is putting a lot of pressure on him. With JP in prison the best thing for the scriptwriters to do is to switch the focus to Robbie and show him cracking under the strain of having to keep Finn's evil secret. People will then wonder why Robbie is having a breakdown. It's a shame Sam didn't think about what happened and realise that Robbie's manner when he gave her the real statement is completely inconsistent with the contents of that false statement. Maybe, thinking back she will realise the significance of Finn's visit to her and then feel guilty that she let Finn in and gave him a chance to intercept the statement. |
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Like Sam has said previously what Robbie did to JP in the past was disgusting and I think he needs to be punished in some way for what he has done.
However saying this I do think Robbie can be redeemed and his redemption - I would say - has already begun. There have been small moments where his genuine remorse is evident (the bridge scene with JP, giving Sam the statement and a recent scene with Nancy have all shown this). Do I think Robbie is going to be a good guy from now on? No. His homophobia, sadly, will not disappear over night. However, I do think he will slowly mature having realised what his past actions have caused. I do believe he will at least try to make amends with JP and be civil with him. I also think most people forget that Robbie is only 17 (maybe 18?) years old and is under a lot of pressure from the Demon. He is still a child in many people's eyes and the situation he is in is horrible. The fact he gave Sam a statement telling the truth was very brave of him in all honesty, it's just disgusting Demon managed to change his "version" around and scare Robbie even more. |
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Like Sam has said previously what Robbie did to JP in the past was disgusting and I think he needs to be punished in some way for what he has done.
However saying this I do think Robbie can be redeemed and his redemption - I would say - has already begun. There have been small moments where his genuine remorse is evident (the bridge scene with JP, giving Sam the statement and a recent scene with Nancy have all shown this). Do I think Robbie is going to be a good guy from now on? No. His homophobia, sadly, will not disappear over night. However, I do think he will slowly mature having realised what his past actions have caused. I do believe he will at least try to make amends with JP and be civil with him. I also think most people forget that Robbie is only 17 (maybe 18?) years old and is under a lot of pressure from the Demon. He is still a child in many people's eyes and the situation he is in is horrible. The fact he gave Sam a statement telling the truth was very brave of him in all honesty, it's just disgusting Demon managed to change his "version" around and scare Robbie even more. Thanks for joining this thread by the way. |
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I also like Robbie and think he will be the one to 'save the day' by helping JP. Robbie has proved he can be redeemed by being appalled when Finn attacked Nana McQueen and obviously with how he feels about the rape.
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I also like Robbie and think he will be the one to 'save the day' by helping JP. Robbie has proved he can be redeemed by being appalled when Finn attacked Nana McQueen and obviously with how he feels about the rape.
![]() Completely agree with the bit in bold. Robbie is JP's only hope now Sam has abandoned him. Even if he speaks up about Finn raping him, he has lost all credibility thanks to the affair with Danny being discovered, Finn switching statements, lashing out at Robbie etc. He needs Robbie's help to get Finn thrown into jail where he belongs. |
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I hope that Robbie does the right thing in the end but I'm annoyed at how HO have ignored the fact that Robbie supposedly said all that stuff about what JP did to him - no one has ever said anything to him about it.
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I hope that Robbie does the right thing in the end but I'm annoyed at how HO have ignored the fact that Robbie supposedly said all that stuff about what JP did to him - no one has ever said anything to him about it.
By the way, in real life do criminals face more police questioning over new evidence/other allegations after they have been sentenced to prison for one crime? I've seen police questioning happen before trials or of witnesses after trials but not of defendants after their sentencing. Thanks for joining this thread by the way. I really hope Robbie does the right thing in the end too.
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I found it lol.
I really hope Robbie has a part in taking Finn down. I cant stand Finn he has taken the bad boy act way to far. It will be the redemption of Robbie as look at us all now lol. I used to hate him, but have a lot of love for Robbie now. |
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I found it lol.
I really hope Robbie has a part in taking Finn down. I cant stand Finn he has taken the bad boy act way to far. It will be the redemption of Robbie as look at us all now lol. I used to hate him, but have a lot of love for Robbie now. ![]() Yes I like Robbie now too. I really hope he will redeem himself, get justice for JP and have that demon thrown into prison. Shame Finn can't get life over this. |
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I've escaped to this thread because I'm tired of the Robbie hate elsewhere - some people see the situation as so black and white they think the McQueens should ignore Robbie helping JP bring Finn to justice (if he does) and just continue to despise him because he bullied JP in the past - rolls eyes. Honestly.
Spoiler for week after next - Robbie is worried about Phoebe getting close to Finn. Almost a parallel to the school trip when JP was concerned for Phoebe's safety after she ended up in a group with Finn and then ended up alone with him. |
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I've escaped to this thread because I'm tired of the Robbie hate elsewhere - some people see the situation as so black and white they think the McQueens should ignore Robbie helping JP bring Finn to justice (if he does) and just continue to despise him because he bullied JP in the past - rolls eyes. Honestly.
Spoiler for week after next - Robbie is worried about Phoebe getting close to Finn. Almost a parallel to the school trip when JP was concerned for Phoebe's safety after she ended up in a group with Finn and then ended up alone with him. |
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I think the Robbie hate boils down to jealously because for a teen he has got all the nice clothes and that. (and I think they may of had a "Robbie type" person at their school)
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I hope JP and his family are more sensible than the Robbie haters - going on and on about the past while ignoring Robbie's attempts to put things right in the present. Rolls eyes. The reality is that the McQueens will need to accept Robbie's help to get Finn locked up. Whether or not they are grateful to Robbie and/or forgive him is their choice. Robbie will do his duty and make amends for his past actions by helping JP, especially if he thinks Phoebe whom he loves is in danger from Finn the week after next. This is about Robbie redeeming himself, not JP and his family necessarily being indebted to him.
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I know I'm going to be sorry for Robbie when Nancy falsely accuses him of drugging Patrick next week when in reality Finn tried to drug Robbie.
I'm so glad Phoebe softens towards Robbie - it's probably because on this occasion she knows Robbie is innocent and feels guilty because she is too scared of Finn to defend Robbie. Yay for a Phoebe/Robbie romance though sadly it's doomed because she'll dump him when she finds out he knew Finn raped JP. What a mess. I've had the deepest compassion for JP throughout and now I have compassion for Robbie too, and Phoebe, since Finn threatens her too.
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Hey guys. I'm on the fence I don't mind redemption nor do I mind if he reveals the truth and helps JP (but not in a contrived silly way). Also Charlie is a great actor.
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Hey guys. I'm on the fence I don't mind redemption nor do I mind if he reveals the truth and helps JP (but not in a contrived silly way). Also Charlie is a great actor.
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So what are your thoughts on Robbie/Phoebe romance. I'm torned, on the one hand I think they work as a couple on the other I feel it's contrived. I have to admit I like seeing Robbie's nice side and his concern for Phoebe was genuine.
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I think Robbie does have genuine feelings for Phoebe and I'm glad there is a bit of a build up with Robbie standing up for Nancy and Phoebe offering Robbie her condolences over Frazer's murder - even if she is naturally angry because she wrongly thinks Robbie lied about JP abusing him, she would still offer condolences to anyone who has suffered bereavement, out of a sense of humanity. The events of next week coming out of the blue with no build up would be ridiculous. I don't think it's contrived - it's entirely natural that Phoebe and Robbie would bond over mutual fear and dislike of Finn. Once Phoebe sees a glimpse of Finn's true colours, Robbie will be the only person she can talk to about it anyway as everyone else is in Finn's back pocket. I guess the reason Robbie is particularly angry at Finn next week is because Robbie has genuine feelings for Phoebe and now he like JP knows what Finn is capable of - I don't think Robbie would ever forgive himself if Finn harmed her. I wonder if Phoebe will at any point remember how JP on the school trip assumed Finn was trying to hurt her and had a go at him. I have a feeling that Robbie's concern will parallel that.
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I definitely think he has genuine feelings for her and has done for some time, seeing his concern for her is showing the different levels to his character. I just hope their relationship isn't over before its begun with the JP thing.
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Thanks for joining and yes I agree. I hope, even if she is initially angry at Robbie for concealing something so serious that she realises Finn threatened him and blackmailed him and of course next week she keeps quiet about Finn drugging Patrick when he threatens her.
I really wish Robbie would write to JP. He owes it to him to tell him Finn wrote those lies not him and that he tried to tell the truth in his real statement even if he doesn't want to worry JP by telling him Phoebe is hanging out with Finn. The new Robbie seems more considerate than the old one.
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Anyone else think Robbie (or Leela) should have been nominated for newcomer instead of Freddie??
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Though he should tell people what Finn did I understand that "Demon" is putting a lot of pressure on him. 