Just a FYI Keyser, National Geographic Wild (NatGeoWild) television channel is having their own Shark Week all week also but they call it Shark Fest. There is a lot more science and a lot less reality TV.
Just how massive does the Great White Shark get?
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Originally Posted by FIN-MAN:
“Just a FYI Keyser, National Geographic Wild (NatGeoWild) television channel is having their own Shark Week all week also but they call it Shark Fest. There is a lot more science and a lot less reality TV.”
“Just a FYI Keyser, National Geographic Wild (NatGeoWild) television channel is having their own Shark Week all week also but they call it Shark Fest. There is a lot more science and a lot less reality TV.”
Thanks I knew about it but as I say I only have access to Freeview.
It is good to know there are several big shark fans on this thread though.
The absolutely massive Matilda, another 6 metre long (and very heavily built) mature female white shark photographed by the wonderful Rodney Fox Great White Shark Expeditions.
That is one hell of a big mouth and let's face it - they are going to need a bigger cage!
https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/...fb&oe=5470A208
That is one hell of a big mouth and let's face it - they are going to need a bigger cage!
https://scontent-a-cdg.xx.fbcdn.net/...fb&oe=5470A208
...and now for a sharklet news update:
Shark cull rejected by Western Australia Environmental Protection Authority
Baited drumlines will not be deployed in Western Australia this summer after the Environmental Protection Authority recommended that the state’s controversial shark culling program not be extended, citing “a high degree of scientific uncertainty” about the impact of drumlines on the great white shark population.
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...tion-authority
I very much welcome this news. I think the better solution would be to separate out sharks and human bathers by sea fencing/netting. If human ingenuity can come up with this http://www.fosterandpartners.com/med.../1158/img1.jpg then it's surely possible to come up with an effective shark barrier to protect specific bathing beaches.
Shark cull rejected by Western Australia Environmental Protection Authority
Baited drumlines will not be deployed in Western Australia this summer after the Environmental Protection Authority recommended that the state’s controversial shark culling program not be extended, citing “a high degree of scientific uncertainty” about the impact of drumlines on the great white shark population.
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...tion-authority
I very much welcome this news. I think the better solution would be to separate out sharks and human bathers by sea fencing/netting. If human ingenuity can come up with this http://www.fosterandpartners.com/med.../1158/img1.jpg then it's surely possible to come up with an effective shark barrier to protect specific bathing beaches.
Originally Posted by TelevisionUser:
“...and now for a sharklet news update:
Shark cull rejected by Western Australia Environmental Protection Authority
Baited drumlines will not be deployed in Western Australia this summer after the Environmental Protection Authority recommended that the state’s controversial shark culling program not be extended, citing “a high degree of scientific uncertainty” about the impact of drumlines on the great white shark population.
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...tion-authority
I very much welcome this news. I think the better solution would be to separate out sharks and human bathers by sea fencing/netting. If human ingenuity can come up with this http://www.fosterandpartners.com/med.../1158/img1.jpg then it's surely possible to come up with an effective shark barrier to protect specific bathing beaches.”
“...and now for a sharklet news update:
Shark cull rejected by Western Australia Environmental Protection Authority
Baited drumlines will not be deployed in Western Australia this summer after the Environmental Protection Authority recommended that the state’s controversial shark culling program not be extended, citing “a high degree of scientific uncertainty” about the impact of drumlines on the great white shark population.
http://www.theguardian.com/environme...tion-authority
I very much welcome this news. I think the better solution would be to separate out sharks and human bathers by sea fencing/netting. If human ingenuity can come up with this http://www.fosterandpartners.com/med.../1158/img1.jpg then it's surely possible to come up with an effective shark barrier to protect specific bathing beaches.”
Yes - common sense has at last prevailed over vote-grasping populist bullshit by that redneck idiot Barnett.
What a shame so many sharks had to die due to that moron.
And at last some more good news for these magnificent oceanic predators.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29175592
http://deepseanews.com/2014/09/new-o...-conservation/
http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news...as-745.html#cr
The lovely old female Tiger shark 'Hook' is recovering after being shot by some brain dead tosser - and she is pregnant which is very good news.
http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/natur...er-shark-shot/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...llet-head.html
Here is a an excellent facebook page about shark-diving which mentions poor Hook amongst many other outstanding posts about swimming with these wonderful apex predators.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Shark...993135?fref=ts
http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/natur...er-shark-shot/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...llet-head.html
Here is a an excellent facebook page about shark-diving which mentions poor Hook amongst many other outstanding posts about swimming with these wonderful apex predators.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Shark...993135?fref=ts
Why sharks eat dolphins.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1...s73eo1_400.png
Why sharks feel so depressed and misunderstood.
http://rubmint.com/wp-content/plugin...tood-shark.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1...s73eo1_400.png
Why sharks feel so depressed and misunderstood.
http://rubmint.com/wp-content/plugin...tood-shark.jpg
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“I posted it but would never dare do it. Would you? When I was in a pool with gentle dolphins I wasn't 100% relaxed. They seemed like giants but it was the most wonderful experience. I did question my morality supporting such beautiful creatures being used in that way in captivity and still do.
”
“I posted it but would never dare do it. Would you? When I was in a pool with gentle dolphins I wasn't 100% relaxed. They seemed like giants but it was the most wonderful experience. I did question my morality supporting such beautiful creatures being used in that way in captivity and still do.
”
I know where you are coming from.
I swam with bonnetheads, days and tropical fish Disney's Typhoon lagoon in the 90's I thoroughly enjoyed it but I do think it's wrong.
I'm not sure if they still do it, the sharks weren't very big at the time and I do wonder what happened to them.
I have been fascinated by sharks for about 40 years.
I used to feel education about sharks was improving, Rodney Fox, Ron and Valerie Taylor had a lot to do with that.
although they filmed some of scenes with real sharks in the film Jaws, some would argue that Jaws films painted sharks in a bad light. I think those films made people show interest in sharks.
They themselves had all been spear fishermen( woman) and questioned what they were doing.
Ron and Valerie stopped spear fishing and started to film sharks and used to show their films in their garage I think it was.
Rodney is the survivor of the worst shark bites ever recorded, he went back to spear fishing when he recovered but having seen sharks being killed decided it was wrong and wanted to educate people.
he came up with the dive cage and hasn't looked back, his diving business is very successful and he really does educate people.
Having said that here we are almost 40 years later randomly killing sharks when there have been shark attacks off Australia's Coast and barbaric finning continues
It makes my blood boil, we are going backwards.
The ocean needs it's top predators if humans choose to frequent their home then occasionally a shark may make a mistake an bite a human, that's the risk the human takes.
We don't own this planet, we share it
Originally Posted by Ads:
“The Great White Shark has been around for many million years in its current state - it can't really evolve to get any better at what it does.”
“The Great White Shark has been around for many million years in its current state - it can't really evolve to get any better at what it does.”
..a bigger brain would help .Then it could work out how to break into those cages
Shame the Liopleurodon died out, as it made the great white look like a sissy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osaur_Size.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osaur_Size.jpg
Originally Posted by Chuck Wao:
“..a bigger brain would help .Then it could work out how to break into those cages”
“..a bigger brain would help .Then it could work out how to break into those cages
”
Haven't you seen that wonderful documentary "Deep Blue Sea" ?
Originally Posted by Tal'shiar:
“Shame the Liopleurodon died out, as it made the great white look like a sissy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osaur_Size.jpg”
“Shame the Liopleurodon died out, as it made the great white look like a sissy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osaur_Size.jpg”
That is a myth - due to decades of scientific naming bullshit I cannot be arsed to go into on here - what is called Liopleurodon in WWD is actually Pliosaurus macromeras.
Pilosaurus seems to be the largest genus of the short necked plesiosaurs (many examples of really huge species - the 'Monster of Aramberri', kevani, funkei - also known as Predator X etc).
Macromeras may have reached a length of up to 20 metres which would make it the second largest macro-predator of all time (after Megalodon).
Originally Posted by tigragirl:
“I know where you are coming from.
I swam with bonnetheads, days and tropical fish Disney's Typhoon lagoon in the 90's I thoroughly enjoyed it but I do think it's wrong.
I'm not sure if they still do it, the sharks weren't very big at the time and I do wonder what happened to them.
I have been fascinated by sharks for about 40 years.
I used to feel education about sharks was improving, Rodney Fox, Ron and Valerie Taylor had a lot to do with that.
although they filmed some of scenes with real sharks in the film Jaws, some would argue that Jaws films painted sharks in a bad light. I think those films made people show interest in sharks.
They themselves had all been spear fishermen( woman) and questioned what they were doing.
Ron and Valerie stopped spear fishing and started to film sharks and used to show their films in their garage I think it was.
Rodney is the survivor of the worst shark bites ever recorded, he went back to spear fishing when he recovered but having seen sharks being killed decided it was wrong and wanted to educate people.
he came up with the dive cage and hasn't looked back, his diving business is very successful and he really does educate people.
Having said that here we are almost 40 years later randomly killing sharks when there have been shark attacks off Australia's Coast and barbaric finning continues
It makes my blood boil, we are going backwards.
The ocean needs it's top predators if humans choose to frequent their home then occasionally a shark may make a mistake an bite a human, that's the risk the human takes.
We don't own this planet, we share it”
“I know where you are coming from.
I swam with bonnetheads, days and tropical fish Disney's Typhoon lagoon in the 90's I thoroughly enjoyed it but I do think it's wrong.
I'm not sure if they still do it, the sharks weren't very big at the time and I do wonder what happened to them.
I have been fascinated by sharks for about 40 years.
I used to feel education about sharks was improving, Rodney Fox, Ron and Valerie Taylor had a lot to do with that.
although they filmed some of scenes with real sharks in the film Jaws, some would argue that Jaws films painted sharks in a bad light. I think those films made people show interest in sharks.
They themselves had all been spear fishermen( woman) and questioned what they were doing.
Ron and Valerie stopped spear fishing and started to film sharks and used to show their films in their garage I think it was.
Rodney is the survivor of the worst shark bites ever recorded, he went back to spear fishing when he recovered but having seen sharks being killed decided it was wrong and wanted to educate people.
he came up with the dive cage and hasn't looked back, his diving business is very successful and he really does educate people.
Having said that here we are almost 40 years later randomly killing sharks when there have been shark attacks off Australia's Coast and barbaric finning continues
It makes my blood boil, we are going backwards.
The ocean needs it's top predators if humans choose to frequent their home then occasionally a shark may make a mistake an bite a human, that's the risk the human takes.
We don't own this planet, we share it”
That is a beautiful post Tigragirl.
Sharks have been around for over 400 million years - they are the planets ultimate survivors.
Mass extinctions, devastating climate change, comets, asteroids - you name it they prevailed.
What a shame it would be for them to become extinct - all for a bowl of f*cking soup prized by totally ignorant w*****s.
A very recent (and interesting) addition to Henry Mollet's table of white sharks- ranging from juveniles to utterly massive record breakers.
http://elasmollet.org/Cc/Cc_list.html
A new paper at the bottom of the table that has reference to several huge 7 metre sharks and a couple of truly gigantic 8 metre specimens caught in the Bosphorus.
In particular shark number 8 - with a listed weight of 4500 kg - and this weight is proportional (due to isometric scaling) to a 5.5 metre white shark weighing around 1.5 tons - pretty close to recorded animals and so I think this could be a reliable record.
I hope a photograph may one day be found of this massive catch - and with greater protection a few of the living six-metre plus giants (like Deep Blue) I have mentioned on this thread may well live long enough to attain this size again - equal to a large bull orca.
I said at the beginning of this thread that in the past (before overfishing) female white sharks may have attained up to 8 metres and 4 tons or so - so I may well have been right.
http://elasmollet.org/PublicationsOt..._WS_Turkey.pdf
http://elasmollet.org/Cc/Cc_list.html
A new paper at the bottom of the table that has reference to several huge 7 metre sharks and a couple of truly gigantic 8 metre specimens caught in the Bosphorus.
In particular shark number 8 - with a listed weight of 4500 kg - and this weight is proportional (due to isometric scaling) to a 5.5 metre white shark weighing around 1.5 tons - pretty close to recorded animals and so I think this could be a reliable record.
I hope a photograph may one day be found of this massive catch - and with greater protection a few of the living six-metre plus giants (like Deep Blue) I have mentioned on this thread may well live long enough to attain this size again - equal to a large bull orca.
I said at the beginning of this thread that in the past (before overfishing) female white sharks may have attained up to 8 metres and 4 tons or so - so I may well have been right.
http://elasmollet.org/PublicationsOt..._WS_Turkey.pdf
KS1 thank you for the links, they confirmed my thoughts that Great Whites are in the Med but I suspected they would be around, Italy, Sardinia and Malta, I never thought of Turkey but I don't know why not.
Of course The Med boasts a Marine protected area, The Ligurian Sea. I have been lucky to sail on these waters a few times, each time the captain put a call out to let us know Whales were within eyesight. Each time we have been lucky enough to see them, I couldn't tell you what species they were but I can say it was a wonderful sight.
Of course The Med boasts a Marine protected area, The Ligurian Sea. I have been lucky to sail on these waters a few times, each time the captain put a call out to let us know Whales were within eyesight. Each time we have been lucky enough to see them, I couldn't tell you what species they were but I can say it was a wonderful sight.
Originally Posted by tigragirl:
“KS1 thank you for the links, they confirmed my thoughts that Great Whites are in the Med but I suspected they would be around, Italy, Sardinia and Malta, I never thought of Turkey but I don't know why not.
Of course The Med boasts a Marine protected area, The Ligurian Sea. I have been lucky to sail on these waters a few times, each time the captain put a call out to let us know Whales were within eyesight. Each time we have been lucky enough to see them, I couldn't tell you what species they were but I can say it was a wonderful sight.”
“KS1 thank you for the links, they confirmed my thoughts that Great Whites are in the Med but I suspected they would be around, Italy, Sardinia and Malta, I never thought of Turkey but I don't know why not.
Of course The Med boasts a Marine protected area, The Ligurian Sea. I have been lucky to sail on these waters a few times, each time the captain put a call out to let us know Whales were within eyesight. Each time we have been lucky enough to see them, I couldn't tell you what species they were but I can say it was a wonderful sight.”
You are very welcome tigragirl.
If you look at the table there have been some really huge specimens fished out of the Med - of course I would hope that in today more enlightened times they would be left to swim in peace but it does demonstrate that some of the largest white sharks in history have been recorded in Europe.
I will post a bit more for you on this subject when I have a bit more time.
A nice little article on a new book on sharks.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-f...with-them.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-f...with-them.html
Originally Posted by Wolfsheadish:
“Thanks for the link, Keyser, I think I'll have to put that book on my wish list”
“Thanks for the link, Keyser, I think I'll have to put that book on my wish list
”
You are very welcome.
I will put a list of some good shark books that I have read soon.
A very nice BBC article on the massive, mysterious and awe-inspiring Greenland shark.
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141...-of-the-arctic
One of the largest white sharks ever to be tagged off Australia - although the huge shark in the video is according to Rodney Fox not actually Dolly herself but the slightly smaller Jumbo.
But when you both weigh over two tons a couple of feet here and there does not mean that much.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152748556981745
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141...-of-the-arctic
One of the largest white sharks ever to be tagged off Australia - although the huge shark in the video is according to Rodney Fox not actually Dolly herself but the slightly smaller Jumbo.
But when you both weigh over two tons a couple of feet here and there does not mean that much.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152748556981745
Love the Greenland sharks - they always look so prehistoric to me. I just humans didn't have to kill so many of them in order to "study" them
Originally Posted by Wolfsheadish:
“Love the Greenland sharks - they always look so prehistoric to me. I just humans didn't have to kill so many of them in order to "study" them”
“Love the Greenland sharks - they always look so prehistoric to me. I just humans didn't have to kill so many of them in order to "study" them
”
Yes they look like a prehistoric 'zombie' shark and nobody knows what their maximum potential lifespan is although well over 200 years seems to be the latest figure for a fully mature adult.
A seven metre plus animal swimming our seas today could possibly have been born before the French Revolution (and they may survive even longer than that).
Awesome.
Sharks really are fascinating survival specialists - absolutely nothing has fazed them in over 400 million years - until we came along of course.
Those bloody bowls of soup don't make themselves.
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