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Sgt Alexander Blackman
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Evo102
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ironwithin:
“He was just unlucky he was caught. Shame he did not get a shorter sentence, but I guess they want to make an example of him.”

A minimum of 8 years for murder is about a short a sentence as you get.
andydylan
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“Bail refused, I'm pleased to say.”

I just visited the facebook page justice for marine a. They are livid, spitting feathers. It didnt take much reading to realise that the page has been infiltrated by right wing groups such as Britain First. They really arent helping him at all
seacam
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by Ironwithin:
“He was just unlucky he was caught. Shame he did not get a shorter sentence, but I guess they want to make an example of him.”

He made an example of him, it was his doing.

Originally Posted by tiacat:
“He's got a nerve to appeal but that is his right as we have clear rules and rights in place under UK legislation, the same type of rules that he was to follow as a soldier and that he broke.

The Daily Mail again sickens me with its portrayal of this person as some sort of hero/martyr.”

He will win his appeal and/or be freed.
tiacat
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by seacam:
“He made an example of him, it was his doing.


He will win his appeal and/or be freed.”

Why do you say that?
eggchen
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by tiacat:
“Why do you say that?”

I too believe his conviction will be reduced to manslaughter, a verdict not available to the jury at the time, and he will be released due to time already served.
welwynrose
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by jimbo1962:
“There are a lot of old murderers in England, Scotland. Wales who are getting nervous about being held to account for what they did in Northern Iteland”

But unfortunately no formers members of the IRA
MAW
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by welwynrose:
“But unfortunately no formers members of the IRA”

Would the authorities stand for a private prosecution We all know who they are.
blueblade
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by andydylan:
“I just visited the facebook page justice for marine a. They are livid, spitting feathers. It didnt take much reading to realise that the page has been infiltrated by right wing groups such as Britain First. They really arent helping him at all”

They can be as livid as they like. Justice is being seen to be done.

We don't shoot dead helpless enemy combatants. It's called murder.
MAW
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“They can be as livid as they like. Justice is being seen to be done.

We don't shoot dead helpless enemy combatants. It's called murder.”

The moral high ground is as hard to take as any military objective, and as easy to lose. This is the only way to do it.
andydylan
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“They can be as livid as they like. Justice is being seen to be done.

We don't shoot dead helpless enemy combatants. It's called murder.”

I fully agree with you
tiacat
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by eggchen:
“I too believe his conviction will be reduced to manslaughter, a verdict not available to the jury at the time, and he will be released due to time already served.”

How could it be manslaughter?
ianx
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by tiacat:
“How could it be manslaughter?”

One way would be to claim diminished responsibility due to his mental state at the time. As his appeal seems to hinge on his mental health when the killing occurred this may well be the line his defence will take.
Evo102
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by tiacat:
“How could it be manslaughter?”

By playing the PTSD 'card'.
eggchen
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by tiacat:
“How could it be manslaughter?”

The success of the appeal is going to rest on Blackman's state of mind. The court martial agreed that he was likely to have been suffering from a degree of PTSD due to the intolerable conditions and pressure he and his men were under. The verdict of manslaughter was not available to the panel at the time.
dave666
21-12-2016
Whatever the verdict I hope he his free by Christmas so he can spend time celebrating with his family. He fought for our country and deserves respect not prison
egghead1
21-12-2016
He is where he deserves to be,any claim of mental duress is boll**s he fully knew what he was doing and asked his colleagues to keep it quiet. Blahblah "stress" blahblah "duress" blahblah "Seen horrors" ad nauseum.

Geneva convention is there for a reason.He broke it end of story.
scottie2121
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by dave666:
“Whatever the verdict I hope he his free by Christmas so he can spend time celebrating with his family. He fought for our country and deserves respect not prison”

so, literally, you want him to get away with murder.
eggchen
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by egghead1:
“He is where he deserves to be,any claim of mental duress is boll**s he fully knew what he was doing and asked his colleagues to keep it quiet. Blahblah "stress" blahblah "duress" blahblah "Seen horrors" ad nauseum.

Geneva convention is there for a reason.He broke it end of story.”

I think that Dr Michael Orr and Professor Neil Greenberg who both agreed that he was suffering from combat stress and adjustment disorder at the time are more qualified to make that call than egghead1, part time Internet forum poster.
blueblade
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by egghead1:
“He is where he deserves to be,any claim of mental duress is boll**s he fully knew what he was doing and asked his colleagues to keep it quiet. Blahblah "stress" blahblah "duress" blahblah "Seen horrors" ad nauseum.

Geneva convention is there for a reason.He broke it end of story.”

I agree. Moreover, pleading diminished responsbility for various bullshit reasons is what a lot of murderers hide, or try and hide behind.

It wasn't like he'd suddenly completely lost it and gone beserk under pressure. The words he uttered to his colleagues were perfectly rational and, underpinned a coldly pre-meditated act. If he's released then it's a massive miscarriage of justice.

I wonder how his supporters would feel about the situation if it were reversed, and it was he who had been shot dead. Would they support the murderer being released? I don't think so.

As you say, he quite clearly broke the 1949 Geneva Convention, as he himself admitted to his colleagues as soon as he'd shot the victim. Blackman is 42 - at the time of the shooting in 2011, he'd have been 37. It's not like he was some young, wet behind the ears rookie private. He absolutely knew what he was doing.
francie
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by eggchen:
“I think that Dr Michael Orr and Professor Neil Greenberg who both agreed that he was suffering from combat stress and adjustment disorder at the time are more qualified to make that call than egghead1, part time Internet forum poster.”

^ This.
GusGus
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by eggchen:
“I too believe his conviction will be reduced to manslaughter, a verdict not available to the jury at the time, and he will be released due to time already served.”


Ridiculous not to grant him bail until the new trial takes place
eggchen
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by blueblade:
“I agree. Moreover, pleading diminished responsbility for various bullshit reasons is what a lot of murderers hide, or try and hide behind.”

Do you also doubt the medical findings of two qualified psychiatrists then?
mal2pool
21-12-2016
people should be in jail if they are deemed to be a threat to the public,

Only days before he had witnessed his fallen comrades body parts festooned in the branches of trees as a macabre and foreboding warning of how ruthless his enemy is. This aside to call in a medivac for a already dead or dying terrorist whilst the Taliban is regrouping would have placed the entire medical team in danger of starring lead roll on one of there media clips whilst having there heads hacked off. Free Marine A and give him a medal I say tip top marine Marine A1.
blueblade
21-12-2016
Originally Posted by eggchen:
“Do you also doubt the medical findings of two qualified psychiatrists then?”

I don't give two shits what they found. The very fact he's not been granted bail should tell you all you need to know about where his case is going.
Grafenwalder
21-12-2016
Channel 4 news tonight showed an interview with Sgt Blackmans former CO, Colonel Oliver Lee who had warned his senior officers Blackmans unit was 'out of control' and 'gone rogue'. Another said 'these guys have gone feral'.

They ignored him, but more astonishingly failed to call him to give evidence when Blackman was charged. The first Col. Lee knew of it was reading it in the newspaper! He resigned.

https://www.channel4.com/news/marine...anding-officer
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