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Old 16-06-2014, 14:48
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I think it's a improvement over Born to Die - I'm very much glad to see the back of the throw away pop songs and the 'rapping'. The opening tracks make for a very strong start, however the middle section of 'Sad Girl - Pretty When I Cry - Money Power Glory' is three songs that tend to blend into one another, individually there is nothing wrong with them to back to back they are to similar - personally I'd swap out 'Pretty When I Cry' (IMO the weakest of the three) with bonus track 'Florida Kilos'. '****ed My Way Up To The Top' is the best song of the second half and 'Old Money' is nice track, I could live without the cover of 'The Other Women'. Of the 4 bonus tracks the forementioned 'Florida Kilos' is for me the standout, offering something different with tempo. 'Black Beauty' is decent but I'm not keen on either 'Guns and Roses' or 'Is This Happiness'.
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Old 16-06-2014, 15:25
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Boysforpele summed this album up perfectly for me - rock-driven torch songs. And what a beautiful collection they are. People who loved BTD and were expecting mark 2 will probably be disappointed and to my ears there's no potential hit single here (unless that awful Gervais bloke tries to revive his 15 mins of fame. God forbid) but the album is a far more cohesive one than BTD and even more of a grower ( and BTD was a real grower itself). She's proved to the doubters that she's neither a one-trick pony or in it for the money/fame. Balls of steel and a massive talent. As some of us have been saying for a while, no matter how bad the level of hate got.
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Old 16-06-2014, 16:46
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When I first listened to it last week I thought it was a bit samey, though good. However that didn't put me off of buying the album today and already it's starting to shine and form the standout tracks. Those being (in my opinion of course):

-Money Power Glory
-F*cked My Way Up To The Top
-Sad Girl
-Brooklyn Baby
-Old Money (got me very emotional! She delivers this song superbly!)
-Black Beauty (deluxe)

There's also a lovely song that was included on the deluxe on the iTunes version (I think) called 'Is This Happiness', it has a lovely Piano rift running all the way through.

I think the only reason 'Black Beauty' was masked as a 'bonus track' is due to it's leak last year. It's been switched up a bit for the album, with a drum/bass in the background, I love both versions personally (demo from last year and this updated one).

I'll say a 7.5/10!
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Old 16-06-2014, 18:15
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I've just ordered the deluxe edition! Looking forward to it arriving.
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Old 16-06-2014, 19:28
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It's absolutely stunning, there's no doubt about that. I think I need more a little time to love it still, at the minute every song is absolutely gorgeous but the pace is just a bit too slow and samey for my usual tastes.

A minor issue I have with it is the 'drugstore microphone' she says she recorded it with. I get she was going for the authentic sound and she did deliver, but I just feel some of the songs would benefit from a slightly sharper production on the vocals especially Ultraviolence.

However Lana has a real and rare talent that needs to be appreciated and I'm looking forward to the endless hours with this on repeat Born to Die still remains one of my favourite albums of the time.
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Old 16-06-2014, 20:44
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It definitely gets wearisome by the second half. It's not just that every song is exactly the same tempo, it's that the mood and lyrical content never change either. Hopefully she'll have got it out of her system by the third album.
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Old 16-06-2014, 20:57
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It falls al little flat for Sad Girl, Pretty When You Cry and Money Power Glory before picking up again. One or two of those could have been taken out and replaced with Black Beauty and Florida Kilo to mix it up a bit.
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Old 16-06-2014, 20:59
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I know people will say I'm totally biased but I'm grinning like a proverbial Cheshire Cat after to just listening to all. Oh god raptures. I loved it, every second. And I ended up listening to Black Beauty again 3 times on repeat again afterwards cause I took a vow never to listen to it again till it was officially released after it leaked and now I really feel quite silly after hearing it again. I know Lana doesn't do encores at her live shows but that song would make the perfect exception to that rule. Its like a collision between Lana and the Beatles that song, rapturous, bring it out as a single please!

Honestly think its album of the year, from Cruel World to to Is This Happiness more wonderful epic Lana stuff. I need to lay down.

Just thank Rocketpop for coming out with some very fair minded comments too, glad you liked this one!
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Old 16-06-2014, 21:01
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Deffo one of my top albums of the year. This and Wanderlust.
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Old 16-06-2014, 21:44
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What's your favourite besides Black Beauty Dragon Lance? I've listened again and Sad Girl has grown on me. Pretty When I Cry and Money Power Glory are good too but they're similar enough that they should be the bonus tracks and Black Beuaty and Florida Kilo should be on the main record like I previously said.

The first six songs and Old Money are excellent but I'm still unsure on the other three (not inc. the deluxe tracks)
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Old 16-06-2014, 22:44
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Shades of Cool is really growing on me, which is surprising as I didn't like the song at all the first few times I heard.

I'm playing this album obsessively. It's breathtakingly good.
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Old 16-06-2014, 22:44
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Oh god now your asking me FMKK haha! I'm the worst person to ask cause always I just always tend to say all of them to questions like that! Honestly! I'm just giving it all a second listen I really don't think there's a bad song. Such a wonderful blend of sounds on it.

You might say Cruel World, Ultra, Money Power Glory, Black Beauty have the feel of big future potential singles, but I really genuinely love the other songs as much. Who's to say any of those wouldn't work either? Look at how Summertime Sadness suddenly hit home with people from out of nowhere on Born to Die.

I think on repeated listens Sad Girl and Pretty When I Cry are really hitting home as pure emotional hit you straight through the heart tear jerking brilliance. Old Money too but I wish the Guardian reviewer hadn't have reminded me of the old Simon Bates radio show agony aunt music, cause that's a really bad mental image!

Surprised more people didn't initially like Shades of Cool. I'm a sucker for those Bond type songs.

I always believed in West Coast even when everyone was initially doing it down. Sounds perfect on the album. I think a lot of people changed their minds and the reviewers seem to really like it. I think its a real chilled out summer anthem now. Brooklyn Baby is just so totally lush too and almost comes across as an unintentional tribute to Lou Reed even though he was intended to be singing on it.

F**ked My Way Up To The Top made me realise Lana's a real bad@ss Dragon I'm just a silly internet one!

Florida Kilo's is kinda like Lana does Red Hot Chilli Peppers, with a dash of hip hop, great change of pace. Guns and Roses has a nice trick in the lyrics of making you think its about Axl Rose...and then it isn't. Nice trick!

The Other Women is just a perfect cover to put in there.

And Is this Happiness is just such a perfect way to end it. Beautiful. Lana and her gang should be very proud of themselves they've done some fantastic work.
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Old 16-06-2014, 22:50
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Can I just ask; Is 'F*cked My Way Up To The Top' about Lorde or not!? That's what I heard, that it's about her. Though Lana didn't say who for sure.

The only worrying thing is, if it IS about Lorde, she must've only been about 14/15 at the time, but I can't think of any other current artist who is remotely like Lana ("Mimicking me's a f*cking bore").
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Old 16-06-2014, 22:59
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Lana's not saying Derek Faye! I think she'd rather just let Lorde and Gaga sit around feeling uncomfortable...wondering...
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Old 16-06-2014, 23:26
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God this is dull. Every song sounds the same and she sings with no passion whatsoever.
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Old 16-06-2014, 23:28
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Can I just ask; Is 'F*cked My Way Up To The Top' about Lorde or not!? That's what I heard, that it's about her. Though Lana didn't say who for sure.

The only worrying thing is, if it IS about Lorde, she must've only been about 14/15 at the time, but I can't think of any other current artist who is remotely like Lana ("Mimicking me's a f*cking bore").
The only Girl, that we know of, lied to her is Porcelain Black.

Last year there was a twitter rant of the guy from the BTD video, he accused someone he was close of using drugs and using men to get famous, it was clear he was talking about Lana and he was also at that time the husband of Black.

They divorced at the beginning of this year and he claimed via twitter that these tweets were written by Black. Black tweeted immediately to Lana that he is a liar and that she always loved Lana. Lana response was plain simple - Bradley Soileau e-mail me.

Guess who is in the new video.

I know this sounds quite pulp fiction but I swear* it was that way.


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Old 17-06-2014, 10:05
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Just thank Rocketpop for coming out with some very fair minded comments too, glad you liked this one!
Born To Die left me frustrated. Undoubtedly there was potential and a handful of wonderful songs - but the hiphop stylings, a few bland pop songs & the studio trickery music sound let it down. This new album removes all of those issues I had with BTD and feels much more enjoyable and cohesive to me, I do feel it could do with a couple of more upbeat tracks and the tracklisting could be better sequenced - but generally it's a massive improvement.
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Old 17-06-2014, 10:50
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Ah thanks for that rbautz, what you've said makes a hell of a lot of more sense really as the lyrics don't seem to entirely fit with either Lorde or Gaga so I was starting to wonder if it was someone else entirely. Always more to anything to do with Lana than you first think on the surface. And nice point about duality of the word "swear" too!

I take your point Rocket Pop, this album feels like a response to everyone that thought they'd gone too far on B2D with the hip hop computerised production. She's obviously made the point of recording this one in a proper old school recording studio to achieve that. Definitely got the sound of real instrumentation and proves she's not having computer auto tune type effects used to enhance her voice either.

I think it shows how much production affects how we enjoy music really. I personally of course love both albums and appreciate both ways of doing things. There's a nice contrast against one another now really and I think you need that between albums. On the flip side of that as we've seen on the various forums some people who loved the sound of the first album are like "Where's my pounding hip hop beats and samples??? What was she thinking of!?!?!?" But they'll probably come around eventually and it will balance out in the wash as it were.
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Old 17-06-2014, 10:52
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Boysforpele summed this album up perfectly for me - rock-driven torch songs. And what a beautiful collection they are. People who loved BTD and were expecting mark 2 will probably be disappointed and to my ears there's no potential hit single here (unless that awful Gervais bloke tries to revive his 15 mins of fame. God forbid) but the album is a far more cohesive one than BTD and even more of a grower ( and BTD was a real grower itself). She's proved to the doubters that she's neither a one-trick pony or in it for the money/fame. Balls of steel and a massive talent. As some of us have been saying for a while, no matter how bad the level of hate got.
I really struggle to understand why Lana was on the receiving end of so much hate. It's upsetting and concerning and I would think so even if I wasn't a fan.
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Old 17-06-2014, 11:50
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I take your point Rocket Pop, this album feels like a response to everyone that thought they'd gone too far on B2D with the hip hop computerised production. She's obviously made the point of recording this one in a proper old school recording studio to achieve that. Definitely got the sound of real instrumentation and proves she's not having computer auto tune type effects used to enhance her voice either.

I think it shows how much production affects how we enjoy music really. I personally of course love both albums and appreciate both ways of doing things. There's a nice contrast against one another now really and I think you need that between albums. On the flip side of that as we've seen on the various forums some people who loved the sound of the first album are like "Where's my pounding hip hop beats and samples??? What was she thinking of!?!?!?" But they'll probably come around eventually and it will balance out in the wash as it were.
Personally modern pop music has very little interest for me at all. 'Video Games' piqued my interest as it was something played on the radio that wasn't just a banal computer generated pop song (re : Rihanna, Bey, Britney etc...) or some bland middle of the road housewife favourite (Winehouse, Leona Lewis, Adele etc) - It really stood out in the dross as something special. Born To Die (the song) was the next song I heard of her's and it too was amazing - When I brought the album I felt letdown by the somewhat mashup of modern and old.
This new album appeals to me because she's gone in the direction I hoped she would with the added bonus of more live instruments, but I guess if your coming to Lana as a fan of modern pop music maybe this album isn't going to appeal as much.
Next album I'd like to see her continue down this current path but also branch out into Americana which she briefly explored on the delightful 'Ride'.
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Old 17-06-2014, 12:03
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She still is on the receiving end of an embarrassing lot of of hate if you go on some of the indie/rock websites and look at the comments people make on the articles. But largely speaking these people are on the margins now and don't have a lot of credibility in their opinions.

She played it down in the Guardian interview, but I do think female artists seem to get more stick than their male counterparts in general. In contrast they take a lot more derision over their artistic credentials and how they look. Its probably as much as anything else a disease of the internet.

And just before anyone says, no I don't mean that females should be immune to criticism, not at all. But when it degenerates into one personal attack after another plus another on top regardless of whatever Lana has done right or wrong you feel its gone too far. If any of us long term fans tend to snap back at people that slate her and seem overly defensive that's why.

I think what's changed and what's great now is she's got a really strong fanbase that support her and most of the press have backed down and accept her as an artist now, indeed some publications really love her. Seems to be a lot more positivity about this album this time around anyway so its all good.
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Old 17-06-2014, 12:06
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And just add to that very fair comments again Rocketpop. I think anythings possible on album no.3, she seems to have indicated she's already written it.
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Old 17-06-2014, 13:02
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She still is on the receiving end of an embarrassing lot of of hate if you go on some of the indie/rock websites and look at the comments people make on the articles. But largely speaking these people are on the margins now and don't have a lot of credibility in their opinions.

She played it down in the Guardian interview, but I do think female artists seem to get more stick than their male counterparts in general. In contrast they take a lot more derision over their artistic credentials and how they look. Its probably as much as anything else a disease of the internet.

And just before anyone says, no I don't mean that females should be immune to criticism, not at all. But when it degenerates into one personal attack after another plus another on top regardless of whatever Lana has done right or wrong you feel its gone too far. If any of us long term fans tend to snap back at people that slate her and seem overly defensive that's why.

I think what's changed and what's great now is she's got a really strong fanbase that support her and most of the press have backed down and accept her as an artist now, indeed some publications really love her. Seems to be a lot more positivity about this album this time around anyway so its all good.
Personally I think musically the criticism of Born To Die was generally justified, most highlighted the brilliance of 'Video Games' and how the album perhaps didn't live up that song - which I think is fair. (I know we clashed over this point Dragon in the past). As far as I've seen Lana seems to be getting much more praise this time around with Ultraviolence - and I think deservedly so. Perhaps this was the album the critics were hoping for with BTD.

As for personal criticism - I'd agree that wasn't needed.
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Old 17-06-2014, 13:50
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Personally modern pop music has very little interest for me at all. 'Video Games' piqued my interest as it was something played on the radio that wasn't just a banal computer generated pop song (re : Rihanna, Bey, Britney etc...) or some bland middle of the road housewife favourite (Winehouse, Leona Lewis, Adele etc) - It really stood out in the dross as something special. Born To Die (the song) was the next song I heard of her's and it too was amazing - When I brought the album I felt letdown by the somewhat mashup of modern and old.
This new album appeals to me because she's gone in the direction I hoped she would with the added bonus of more live instruments, but I guess if your coming to Lana as a fan of modern pop music maybe this album isn't going to appeal as much.
Next album I'd like to see her continue down this current path but also branch out into Americana which she briefly explored on the delightful 'Ride'.
I agree with you on where she should head next. I think that is the next logical evolution her sound and Ride is still her most exhilarating song for me. That bridge and final chorus is the best thing she's ever done. I would like to see her head that way and maybe have some uptempo songs with heavier guitar. A few acoustic ballads like her very earliest stuff would be great too. However, this isn't to say that I don't really like this album. I do amd it's great. It's just that I'm already excited for her next movie.
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Old 17-06-2014, 16:01
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Ha yes I think we've had some very colourful discussions in the past about her artistic merits but that's cool! I'm sure we'll always agree to disagree on B2D, but I think it shows what powerful reactions she brings out in people. Something I've always said I like about her is it shows itís not music that just goes in one ear and out the other, like so many songs these days. It gets a reaction, positive or negative.

You know the reason I love Lana aside from the fact that Iíve genuinely loved all her songs is cause Iíve felt very disillusioned with a lot of current music. Most of the pop it goes without saying has been pap, but most of the credible critically acclaimed indie has been woeful too and a pale shadow of 80ís, 90ís and 00ís indie/alt music.

Then blamo she came along and she really just has been the antidote to all that. She seems to confound both the indie and pop establishments in equal measure and I adore her for that and I adore even more her for never giving in and sticking to her guns and never giving in. Not bad for the act the critics said wasnít ďauthentic.Ē To her fans sheís given us something to believe in again. Its been said before but sheís one of the few acts around today that is making music that people will keep wanting to listen to in years to come.
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