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Old 03-04-2014, 20:18
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It may be just me but does anyone think it was Shirley who tried to drown Mick? Her reaction says it all! I'm probably reading into it too much...

But Stan is a manipulator though.
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:19
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its possible...
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:20
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That's the way I took it
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:20
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I'm wondering that too, especially because of her reaction on Tuesday.
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:20
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No i think it was the mother Shirley just did not want Mick to know about it hence her caginess during Stan's speech.

Why would they have Shirley try and kill Mick it would ruin her character and the strong bond the pair have. Having the mother try and kill him is a great move they're building up a really sinister picture of her ahead of her imminent arrival. It's already been established she was physically abusive to the kids and walked out on them and is the reason why Shirley couldnt be a mother to her own children.
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:24
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We've seen Shirley try to protect Mick and Tina from the truth about their mother in the past so her reaction could just be her not wanting Mick to know what Sylvie did, but Shirley was suspiciously absent from the story which does lend itself to the "Shirley tried to drown him" theory. I do think it's most likely the former though.
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:29
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It's possible, however Shirley's body language could be taken two ways - either she was responsible, or she hated that Sylvie did that and feels guilty that she couldn't stop it.

I still think something else happened to Mick when he was in care - Shirley said "try telling Mick that!" when Stan said he and Tina were better off in care (in Stan's first ep). Something else happened when Mick was a kid
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:30
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No i think it was the mother Shirley just did not want Mick to know about it hence her caginess during Stan's speech.

Why would they have Shirley try and kill Mick it would ruin her character and the strong bond the pair have. Having the mother try and kill him is a great move they're building up a really sinister picture of her ahead of her imminent arrival. It's already been established she was physically abusive to the kids and walked out on them and is the reason why Shirley couldnt be a mother to her own children.
Or else, Shirley was so deeply scared by her attempting to kill Mick that she couldn't be a proper nurturing mother to her own kids, for fear of harming them too.
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:33
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It's possible, Shirley definitely knows more than she's letting on.

Sylvie could still be the person who did it though, Aunt Babe was talking to someone on the phone a few months ago after visiting the Carters and it was implied it was Sylvie as whoever it was needed her back and sounded like someone who needed regular care. Stan could fall into that category but Aunt Babe hasn't been around at all and Stan seems to be on his own with no regular contact with Aunt Babe.
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:35
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I think this is a cue for Babe to return and for Sylvie to make an appearence, if it was Shirley then how old was she and how old was Mick?
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:36
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That's the way I took it
Me too. Stan was watching Shirley closely during his little speech.

Shirley owes him now.
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:36
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I immediately thought it might be Shirley because of her unease but as others have said that may be because she didn't want Mick to know what Sylvie was really like. How old was Mick though? He didn't seem to recall it so he must have been only a baby when it happened. What makes me think it was Shirley was Stan's line to her about things now going more smoothly after Mick left the room. Why would Shirley do that to Mick though? :/ Unless she was suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness? Only logical explanation! Or maybe it was an accident but then why wouldn't Shirley just say that? Seems like this will be a very interesting storyline and I love how we are now finding out more about Mick and Shirley's childhood. Danny Dyer, Linda Henry and Timothy West were all superior tonight. Think the 3 of them work really well together
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:37
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It's possible, Shirley definitely knows more than she's letting on.

Sylvie could still be the person who did it though, Aunt Babe was talking to someone on the phone a few months ago after visiting the Carters and it was implied it was Sylvie as whoever it was needed her back and sounded like someone who needed regular care. Stan could fall into that category but Aunt Babe hasn't been around at all and Stan seems to be on his own with no regular contact with Aunt Babe.
I think this is the cue for Babe's return and the possible appearance of Sylvie- if it was Shirley then how old was she? and how old was Mick?
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:40
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Or else, Shirley was so deeply scared by her attempting to kill Mick that she couldn't be a proper nurturing mother to her own kids, for fear of harming them too.
But then how come she is so fine and normal around Mick - the victim. I'm convinced it was Sylvie that tried to drown him and Shirley merely knew about it, or maybe even witnessed it and kept it from Mick
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:43
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It would be a fantastic story arc if it eventually comes out that Stan lied and it WAS Shirley who tried to drown Mick.

Shirley would have gone from a hateful, bitter loner with no home or friends, to living among a family in a pub which has her name over the door, then lose it all again - back to square one.

Maybe this is why she is so keen to have Stan gone. He knows too much and with one sentence could bring her world crashing down, to become the pariah of the Square again.
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:43
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Yes I think so. Stan done it just to cause more problems. it was so obvious that his little alone time in the street wouldn't help
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:44
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100% convinced that Shirley did it.
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:54
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It's possible, Shirley definitely knows more than she's letting on.

Sylvie could still be the person who did it though, Aunt Babe was talking to someone on the phone a few months ago after visiting the Carters and it was implied it was Sylvie as whoever it was needed her back and sounded like someone who needed regular care. Stan could fall into that category but Aunt Babe hasn't been around at all and Stan seems to be on his own with no regular contact with Aunt Babe.
I did read in an old inside soap that Aunt Babe is the only one who can give a different side to Stan's stories. This may be such an instance..
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:56
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It may be just me but does anyone think it was Shirley who tried to drown Mick? Her reaction says it all! I'm probably reading into it too much...

But Stan is a manipulator though.
Maybe but with all the deeply unpleasant family secrets, it was all a bit reminiscent of Jim And Max Branning and Ronnie and Archie Mitchell.
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Old 03-04-2014, 20:58
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Yup i definitely thought thats what he was implying, especially with Shirleys reaction while he was telling Mick. I think its something he's using so she wont get him kicked out because he has something that could turn Mick against her.
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Old 03-04-2014, 21:05
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I immediately thought it might be Shirley because of her unease but as others have said that may be because she didn't want Mick to know what Sylvie was really like. How old was Mick though? He didn't seem to recall it so he must have been only a baby when it happened. What makes me think it was Shirley was Stan's line to her about things now going more smoothly after Mick left the room. Why would Shirley do that to Mick though? :/ Unless she was suffering from an undiagnosed mental illness? Only logical explanation! Or maybe it was an accident but then why wouldn't Shirley just say that? Seems like this will be a very interesting storyline and I love how we are now finding out more about Mick and Shirley's childhood. Danny Dyer, Linda Henry and Timothy West were all superior tonight. Think the 3 of them work really well together
BIB I thought that remark was because Mick now knew that Stan had saved his life and couldn't go on hating him.
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Old 03-04-2014, 21:11
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Wouldn't surprise me at all. Shirley certainly has it in her to do something like that. One of the most loathersome females to walk the Square. Her reaction certainly suggested she might have had something to do it.

Just a side note, but the title of this thread instantly brought back memories in me of Shirley drowning Ben's head in the bathtub after finding out he killed Heather .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Ncv6GhFf8
Who leaves a bath full of water?
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Old 03-04-2014, 21:25
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Wouldn't surprise me at all. Shirley certainly has it in her to do something like that. One of the most loathersome females to walk the Square. Her reaction certainly suggested she might have had something to do it.

Just a side note, but the title of this thread instantly brought back memories in me of Shirley drowning Ben's head in the bathtub after finding out he killed Heather .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Ncv6GhFf8
Who leaves a bath full of water?
Well said TK, as usual. Why oh why are they picking such an unlikeable character to be at the forefront of the show? The idea of an ensemble cast for some strange unknown reason seems to be very unappealing to them . Don't get me wrong I like the Carters and all, but Shirley just drags them down to her pathetic level.
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Old 03-04-2014, 21:35
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It may be just me but does anyone think it was Shirley who tried to drown Mick? Her reaction says it all! I'm probably reading into it too much...

But Stan is a manipulator though.
That's stans plan I think. To try and get rid of Shirley
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Old 03-04-2014, 21:37
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I reckon Sylvia tried to drown him in case he turned out like Shirley, she was already responsible for bringing one deadbeat loser into the world and she was worried Mick would go the same way
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