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Old 04-04-2014, 13:25
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I understand Sam was upset but those lines along with her saying prison is the best place for him really pissed me off, this rape storyline has become nothing but a sour joke,

if I was the rape charities involved in initially helped with this storyline I would be appalled and disgusted on how this has been handled and I know its was never going to be 100% realistic or accurate and the writers will do what ever they have to to create maximum drama but the message they sending is a horrible one.

I know HO favoruite thing is to isolate its characters not have them believed but it in this instance I think its the worse think they can do.

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Old 04-04-2014, 13:41
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I'm pretty disappointed at the sensationalism that's been injected into it. It had enough attention being a male rape storyline, they didn't need to add in the Danny element or put JP in prison for hitting Robbie.
I almost could excuse the Robbie incident until Finn wormed his way into Sam's house and switched the statements. It would just NEVER happen in real life and I know soap's are in essence drama's but this storyline was hyped to be portraying this issue realisitically and sensitively and they've just made a complete farce of it.
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Old 04-04-2014, 13:43
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I agree that I do not like how they are handling the rape storyline, but I could see from Sam's point of view why she would think that considering what happened with Danny. If JP did get police assistance for the rape, it probably should be from a different person because of conflict of interest.

However, Hollyoaks is definitely sending a bad message and pretty much suggesting that JP deserves to not be believed for the rape because he had an affair. Seems similar to female victims should not be believed if the are promiscuous. Pretty offensive way to deal with something so traumatic, conflating an affair with rape.

To their credit, Lizzie Roper and James Sutton were excellent in that scene, but it is a shame they have been let down by such bad writing.
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Old 04-04-2014, 13:45
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Sam says that to JP, goes to the hospital angry and then pretends nothing is wrong as they are a "family". that's sending out such a good message.
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Old 04-04-2014, 13:49
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BK needs to leave. Now.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:00
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Maybe BK will now put Super Cop Sonny on the case, "I'll save youuuuuuu John Paul!"
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:10
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I agree that I do not like how they are handling the rape storyline, but I could see from Sam's point of view why she would think that considering what happened with Danny. If JP did get police assistance for the rape, it probably should be from a different person because of conflict of interest.

However, Hollyoaks is definitely sending a bad message and pretty much suggesting that JP deserves to not be believed for the rape because he had an affair. Seems similar to female victims should not be believed if the are promiscuous. Pretty offensive way to deal with something so traumatic, conflating an affair with rape.

To their credit, Lizzie Roper and James Sutton were excellent in that scene, but it is a shame they have been let down by such bad writing.
I can see why she might think it too, but she is in an emotional situation and not
currently behaving like a cop. If she was she would remember that JP also had a nasty head wound, from being whacked by Finn, when he went to the police station. He certainly couldn't have made that up. Personally the storyline is annoying me too. Yes, he shouldn't have gone near Danny when he knew he was married, but I'm still desperate to see him get justice and Finn to get his comeuppance.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:10
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It seems to me Sam said what she said to hurt JP. I would hope that she doesn't actually believe that not confessing to an affair meana you are likely to make a false claim of rape to the police and agree to have a rape exam.

They promised Finn will be punished, but realiticly he should get off scott-free. Now that JP's crediblity has been decimated he could never be a witness in court.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:15
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I'm pretty disappointed at the sensationalism that's been injected into it. It had enough attention being a male rape storyline, they didn't need to add in the Danny element or put JP in prison for hitting Robbie.
I almost could excuse the Robbie incident until Finn wormed his way into Sam's house and switched the statements. It would just NEVER happen in real life and I know soap's are in essence drama's but this storyline was hyped to be portraying this issue realisitically and sensitively and they've just made a complete farce of it.
Totally agree. Far from educating the public it is probably doing more harm than good. They are not even attempting to tackle the subject matter in a realistic manner.Just piling on more and more misery for the victim.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:23
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Totally agree. Far from educating the public it is probably doing more harm than good. They are not even attempting to tackle the subject matter in a realistic manner.Just piling on more and more misery for the victim.
I think it is doing more harm than good. If it was goal to equate finding out your husband cheated on you with being raped, then the writers have done a good job.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:38
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After watching last night E4 episode, I can see JP either shutting down completely or trying to commit suicide!!

Even with all he has been through, Sam was there for him and believed him. That has now been taken away from him and he is more alone than ever, with his one ally having deserted him.

While I don't agree with away the story has been protrayed, James Sutton has been playing a blinder. The look on his face when Sam said that he had made the rape up was devastating.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:38
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I can see why she might think it too, but she is in an emotional situation and not
currently behaving like a cop. If she was she would remember that JP also had a nasty head wound, from being whacked by Finn, when he went to the police station. He certainly couldn't have made that up. Personally the storyline is annoying me too. Yes, he shouldn't have gone near Danny when he knew he was married, but I'm still desperate to see him get justice and Finn to get his comeuppance.
Keith Rice said Finn will definitely get his comeuppance so no worries on that point.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:39
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After watching last night E4 episode, I can see JP either shutting down completely or trying to commit suicide!!

Even with all he has been through, Sam was there for him and believed him. That has now been taken away from him and he is more alone than ever, with his one ally having deserted him.

While I don't agree with away the story has been protrayed, James Sutton has been playing a blinder. The look on his face when Sam said that he had made the rape up was devastating.
BIB I really hope they don't as they are already making a mockery of this. That would just be so cliché.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:41
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It seems to me Sam said what she said to hurt JP. I would hope that she doesn't actually believe that not confessing to an affair meana you are likely to make a false claim of rape to the police and agree to have a rape exam.

They promised Finn will be punished, but realiticly he should get off scott-free. Now that JP's crediblity has been decimated he could never be a witness in court.
At least Robbie knows the truth now and Finn will slip up one way or another - it didn't take Robbie long to figure out the truth so sooner or later it won't be long until other people start getting suspicious too. Freddie knows Finn attacked Nana McQueen and hit JP - though I'm not happy at some of what happened I care too much about JP to drop the storyline.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:43
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I'm pretty disappointed at the sensationalism that's been injected into it. It had enough attention being a male rape storyline, they didn't need to add in the Danny element or put JP in prison for hitting Robbie.
I almost could excuse the Robbie incident until Finn wormed his way into Sam's house and switched the statements. It would just NEVER happen in real life and I know soap's are in essence drama's but this storyline was hyped to be portraying this issue realisitically and sensitively and they've just made a complete farce of it.
I agree with this and I don't think in real life Sam would leave that statement lying around the way she did regardless of whether or not she became suspicious of Finn.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:49
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At least Robbie knows the truth now and Finn will slip up one way or another - it didn't take Robbie long to figure out the truth so sooner or later it won't be long until other people start getting suspicious too. Freddie knows Finn attacked Nana McQueen and hit JP - though I'm not happy at some of what happened I care too much about JP to drop the storyline.
Actually I don't think it is believable that people would begin to suspect Finn of rape or hurting JP. Maybe if JP was interacting with Finn and not in prison, but JP is in prison won't be interacting with Finn and no-one can see JP's reaction to him. I really can't see that people would think Finn raped anyone as JP really looks like the criminal here. I want to see Finn punished but it is very unrealistic that Finn ever would be.
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Old 04-04-2014, 14:53
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Sam just found out the guy who she tried to help had it off with her husband of course she was going to be upset. I don't agree with what she said but can see why she said it; she feels betrayed by him as well as Danny.
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Old 04-04-2014, 15:00
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I don't know why you are all expecting them to handle this story in a good way.

Is it any different to how Sinead is being treated at the moment by her Mum and Freddie?

Plenty of people experience what it is like to lose a loved one or murder or experience the pain of someone being taken away from them. Hollyoaks easily have murders happen quite frequently as well as having people be responsible for them yet receive no counseling, no second thought to it after a while and easily get over it.

Yesterday I thought to myself Lindsay has a nerve judging Sinead for being a 'murderer' when she helped cover up a murder and got away with it too.

That's just the way the show is. Murder and even living under the fear of being threatened repeatedly by someone is as destructive as rape, so if they do that sensationalism with those subjects, they'll do it here too.
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Old 04-04-2014, 15:05
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Sam just found out the guy who she tried to help had it off with her husband of course she was going to be upset. I don't agree with what she said but can see why she said it; she feels betrayed by him as well as Danny.
I agree that is believable that she wants to hurt JP and in the moment said the most hurtful thing she could.

The problem is that many people seem to believe that it is right or believable that she actually believes what she said to be the truth. I suppose it is a common myth that people who are promiscuous file false claims of rape all the time.
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Old 04-04-2014, 15:10
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Actually I don't think it is believable that people would begin to suspect Finn of rape or hurting JP. Maybe if JP was interacting with Finn and not in prison, but JP is in prison won't be interacting with Finn and no-one can see JP's reaction to him. I really can't see that people would think Finn raped anyone as JP really looks like the criminal here. I want to see Finn punished but it is very unrealistic that Finn ever would be.
Oh I don't mean that people would jump to the conclusion that Finn raped JP straight away - Robbie had more clues than anyone else which is why he ended up working it out but maybe a few months down the line Finn might do or say something stupid which might lead people to be suspicious that he's been up to no good but without making the connection to JP or to rape straight away. At least Freddie knows Finn attacked Nana and hit JP.
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Old 04-04-2014, 15:21
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Oh I don't mean that people would jump to the conclusion that Finn raped JP straight away - Robbie had more clues than anyone else which is why he ended up working it out but maybe a few months down the line Finn might do or say something stupid which might lead people to be suspicious that he's been up to no good but without making the connection to JP or to rape straight away. At least Freddie knows Finn attacked Nana and hit JP.
Well this storyline won't be on screen for several months. http://www.tv3.ie/entertainment_arti...article=130923

I guess the incident that JP has to deal with on the outside is Sam confronting him over the affair with Danny, so it will continue. Honestly I already think Sam has gotten the fantasy revenge for a woman who has been cheated on with JP being raped and tossed in prison. If this continues after he get's out...
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Old 04-04-2014, 15:23
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what did she say to Danny, just out of interest?
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Old 04-04-2014, 15:27
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Well this storyline won't be on screen for several months. http://www.tv3.ie/entertainment_arti...article=130923

I guess the incident that JP has to deal with on the outside is Sam confronting him over the affair with Danny, so it will continue. Honestly I already think Sam has gotten the fantasy revenge for a woman who has been cheated on with JP being raped and tossed in prison. If this continues after he get's out...
Damn - I'm going to be bored silly the next few months. Thank goodness I follow EastEnders regularly. Hmm it's interesting that James said he was shooting some really nasty stuff in April/May yet this storyline is off air for a few months?

I guess with JP pleading guilty to hitting Robbie, his obvious regret over that and good behaviour he won't serve long in prison - fingers crossed.
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Old 04-04-2014, 15:31
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Damn - I'm going to be bored silly the next few months. Thank goodness I follow EastEnders regularly. Hmm it's interesting that James said he was shooting some really nasty stuff in April/May yet this storyline is off air for a few months?

I guess with JP pleading guilty to hitting Robbie, his obvious regret over that and good behaviour he won't serve long in prison - fingers crossed.
I was wrong something even more horrible happens to JP in prison: http://primetime.*******************...n/#more-116637

I don't know what could be more horrible than what he has already been through. Being raped yet again.
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Old 04-04-2014, 15:34
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I was wrong something even more horrible happens to JP in prison: http://primetime.*******************...n/#more-116637

I don't know what could be more horrible than what he has already been through. Being raped yet again.
Oh I hope not.

But being attacked in prison is not unrealistic, especially in UK. John Stape and Fiz were both beaten up when they were in prison.
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