the fall at 50 seconds and the lines before it. Oh boy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYGYLNWHtCM

That and the three seasons that followed it.

I think the conclusion to Journey's End and Last of the Time Lords is worse than that

The only thing you can say in it's defence, is that Sylv' has previously explained that what's on screen is close to being the rehearsal. He went from casting to shooting at break neck speed and was really making things up on the fly.

It definitely does look that way, sounds almost like a script read through, ComedyFish - that clip is comedy Still, atleast it reflects how cool Kate was as the Rani, I think she comes out pretty well despite Sylvesters' comedy non-fall

Ohhh this segment makes me cringe !. Pure 80's slapstick from Slyvester.The umbrella, the coat & Slyv's dialogue is delivered in such a way it feels a bit panto. Wait it gets worse when he plays the spoons on the Rani's chest.

Quite possibly. Although much of The Twin Dilemma could also take that title.
I must say I do really like McCoy's Doctor once the bloody awful Season 24 is out of the way.

Yes, I think that was when Doctor Who died for me. McCoy...whatever were they thinking...

This is the very scene which caused me to do the one thing I never thought I would...switch over!

I didn't pick it up again until 1996. I've watched them all since in retrospect, but apart from the odd good story, McCoy's Doctor has always made me cringe!

However, it does make me realise just how good Kate O'Mara was, she did the impossible and carried that scene!

I'd say there were some stand-out stories during that time. Infact the way they built-up Ace's backstory is very much a precursor to what the show does today with its companions, it set the standard of what was to eventually follow.

Lol. And to think some of the classic Who hardcore throw words like 'pantomime' and 'childish' at New Who while pretending the original series was high art. This isn't just 'of its time' or quaint. Its would've looked embarrassing whatever year it was made. Tragic. It did get better thankfully!

Here's another show of brilliant writing, acting and ...oh who am I kidding!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m4DScIL2E

It is often said on here that McCoy's last season was a return to form, but from what I've watched of it so far (The Curse of Fenric and Survival) it seems to be fairly average.

Maybe his earlier stuff makes it look like a masterpiece in comparison. I don't know, I've yet to watch most of the McCoy era.

McCoy really was dire. I've no idea why people like his Doctor. It's just embarrassing.

I've seen worst moments in the show's history. It at least had the excuse of poor prepping and being filmed so close to auditions that people really didn't know what they were doing.

There are moments that are much more awful, and even harmful to the show. COUGHJOURNEY'SENDCOUGHENDOFTIMECOUGH

I can think of worst moment's

Eigth doctor: "I'm half human, on my mothers side".

enough said.

This thread is about one scene, not an invitation to insult an entire doctor. I personally like his doctor, he always seems to have quirky, grumpy, eccentric, and intelligent in perfect balance. Like him and ace together especially.

I think the thread was intended for a more wider discussion not just one scene and I share the view, McCoy's portrayal was appalling in comparison to his predecessors. Personally I blame the writing and production but I don't think even the best scripts would have made McCoy more endearing to the fans of the day.

Everyone has a different opinion, but I thought it was just unwritten forum ettiquette to not to insult the entire tenure of a doctor, even if that is your opinion, as it only serves to enflame tensions with everyone who enjoys that doctors work.

I'm too young to be a 'fan of the day' and have admittedly only seen about 20 or so classic who stories but I have sampled all the doctor's in my watching, and not only is mc coy one of my preffered classic who doctor's in himself, but remembrance of the daleks ranks joint top of the best classic who episodes i've seen so far (with city of death)

I will admit I did think 'ghost light' was pretty bad though.

Oh dear God...that scene's even worse than the OP's

To balance out all the McCoy negativity, I think I'll post this scene, which in my opinion at least, is quite a good one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6c6AxhAal0


The Curse of Fenric and Remembrance of the Daleks are amongst my favourite Who stories. Survival and Ghost Light were good, The Greatest Show in the Galaxy and Battlefield were decent and Silver Nemesis and The Happiness Patrol were just about watchable.
The less said about Season 24 the better though...


I honestly do really like his Doctor in his final two seasons. Just my opinion of course.
He's not really in the same league as an actor such as Matt Smith for example, but nevertheless I did enjoy it when they made him darker and more manipulative, and much less of a pantomime oaf.

When you do eventually watch the whole McCoy Era you'll see that's exactly the case. Season 26 is definitely not upto the standard of the early Tom Baker Era for example but compared to Season 24 and to some degree Season 25 it's a massive improvement.


That's your opinion. I don't particularly like the 9th Doctor but accept he has his fans. Maybe you should do the same.

For me the best part of the McCoy Era was McCoy himself.

And to answer the main question, that isn't the most embarrassing scene in Doctor Who, that came in several large sectors of the following story.......

I'd agree that season 26 isn't in the same league as as the early Tom Baker era, but I'd also say that season 26 is vastly better than a lot of the Tom Baker era after season 15. From season 15 until the end of Baker's era, there aren't that many episodes I actually enjoy.

Anyone else think that when you saw Anthony Ainley on screen as the Master, it seemed very panto? I do. I still think his version was the best, followed by Roger's.

I can't find a clip on youtube of this, but in the Mark of the Rani, when the Master wipes away the last bits of straw, after having been disguised as a scarecrow, that seems very panto.

He became more panto as time went on. He was quite sinister from Logopolis to Planet of Fire with the exception of Kings Demons!

"This is idiotic".