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giffgaff 4G what's going on ?
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joeluken
15-04-2014
Big run up, promotion of 4G phones, launching early April with a range of 4G goodybags, get ready......

Then silence followed by it's now a member only trial until 31/10/2014 limited to one option of 1Gb of 4G data for £10...... ????

http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/New...ighlight/false
AxeVictim
15-04-2014
Well that's a bit crap why even bother. We know 4G works no need to trial it looks like they don't want giffgaffers eating into O2s 4G.
jabbamk1
15-04-2014
Giff Gaff doing a Three...
pinkllama
15-04-2014
I'm on 3 but was waiting for months to see what giffgaff's 4g deals would be like. What a disappointment.

Seems all the networks apart from 3 are trying to set 4g up at a premium product, either by price or data allowance.
jabbamk1
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by pinkllama:
“I'm on 3 but was waiting for months to see what giffgaff's 4g deals would be like. What a disappointment.

Seems all the networks apart from 3 are trying to set 4g up at a premium product, either by price or data allowance.”

How else do you expect them to make a return on their 4G investment.

But I do agree about the whole premium 4G thing. 4G should not be a premium, it should be the same price as 3G as Tesco and Three do. Even if it means prices go up, there should not be separate tariffs for 3G and 4G.
lost boy
15-04-2014
giffgaff 4G - what's going on?

Who knows? Frankly, it looks like giffgaff don't know either.

Trialling 4G with a 1GB data allowance? What a mess. I'd suspect O2's influence, but how would that explain Lycamobile's 4G offer?
jabbamk1
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by lost boy:
“giffgaff 4G - what's going on?

Who knows? Frankly, it looks like giffgaff don't know either.

Trialling 4G with a 1GB data allowance? What a mess. I'd suspect O2's influence, but how would that explain Lycamobile's 4G offer?”

Telefonica own Giff Gaff. Telefonica do not own Lyca Mobile.
So o2 have control over giff gaff
lost boy
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“Telefonica own Giff Gaff. Telefonica do not own Lyca Mobile.
So o2 have control over giff gaff”

Yes... but in that case how come Tesco are offering better than the parent, considering they're a joint venture?

Oh, I don't know. I agree there's something going on, that's clear as day, but whether it's simply down to O2 throwing it's weight around - I don't know, I really don't. On current evidence though, it would appear no-one's going to come out of this smelling of roses.
clewsy
15-04-2014
This is to save bandwidth for the more higher end o2 and Tesco brands clearly.
qasdfdsaq
15-04-2014
I wouldn't call Tesco or Tesco Mobile a high end brand...

As for Telefonica not owning Lyca Mobile - sure - but they do still own the network Lyca runs on and so have complete control over the wholesale pricing and rules that apply to them.

Perhaps this is O2's way of dealing with any potential capacity issues before they arise, which was bound to happen given that they have, by far, the least 4G spectrum per customer than any other network.
Zee_Bukhari
15-04-2014
Waste of time. If you want 4G from O2, Lycamobile' £12 "unlimited plan" is the best option, otherwise go for Three.

Its what I have done, switched my backup from giffgaff to lycamobile, at least I can call my friend in Poland for free aswell.
clewsy
15-04-2014
Tesco would though and are they now the fastest growing network? Im sure someone told me they have the same market share as 3? This of course could all be a load of rubbish.

I'm sure o2 wholesale will be happy in the short term to let anyone buy their data. After all if they want to slow usage down all they have to do is increase the wholesale price.
Three
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“Tesco would though and are they now the fastest growing network? Im sure someone told me they have the same market share as 3? This of course could all be a load of rubbish.

I'm sure o2 wholesale will be happy in the short term to let anyone buy their data. After all if they want to slow usage down all they have to do is increase the wholesale price.”

Tesco have a smaller market share than 3.

I think giffgaff has passed it's shelf life now that the big players have caught up and are better positioned to serve customer needs.
qasdfdsaq
15-04-2014
Fastest growing in what sense? It's easy to have high percentage growth from a small base... Adding one customer a year to an existing subscriber base of one gives you 100% growth whereas O2 have to add over 20,000 to even get 1%.

That said Tesco having the same market share as 3? Bollocks. Even the biggest MVNO in the UK, who've been going for over ten years, has a smaller market share than 3.
clewsy
15-04-2014
So what are the market shares then for the operators?
jonmorris
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“Giff Gaff doing a Three...”

hehe, yeah!

When did giffgaff actually mention it was a trial? Sounds exactly like Three.
d123
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“hehe, yeah!

When did giffgaff actually mention it was a trial? Sounds exactly like Three.”

Actually Giffgaff seemed to be completely clueless with their launch, there are threads hundreds of pages long without a single genuine update from staff.

If anything, giffgaff are making the Three roll out look extremely good.
Three
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by d123:
“Actually Giffgaff seemed to be completely clueless with their launch, there are threads hundreds of pages long without a single genuine update from staff.

If anything, giffgaff are making the Three roll out look extremely good.”

The forum staff are just that, forum staff with CRM training. They have minimal insight into the actual business decisions that go on behind the scenes and pretty much know about as much as the customer.

When they do post insightful stuff on their forums it usually comes as a result of said CRM staff bugging management for weeks/months.

For a mobile network with 'run by you' as their motto, there is very little interaction between upper management and the end customer.
d123
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by Three:
“For a mobile network with 'run by you' as their motto, there is very little interaction between upper management and the end customer.”

From what I've read, that would be NO interaction at all .
Steve™
15-04-2014
I'm on Three, and it would be nice to have 4G. However what would be even nicer would be to have fully functioning speedy "Ultrafast" like they promised a few years back.

If GiffGaff's 4G is anything like Three's network performance of late then I wont be hopeful or switching.
duffman25
15-04-2014
lycamobile seems the best deal at the moment and i can see a lot of people leaving giffgaff for them
daveyfs
15-04-2014
What with the recent complaints about worsening data performance and now this, I've got a sneaking suspicion that Telefonica are in the process of running giffgaff down, and will eventually close the service and move subscribers onto o2 payg on preferential terms.
jabbamk1
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by daveyfs:
“What with the recent complaints about worsening data performance and now this, I've got a sneaking suspicion that Telefonica are in the process of running giffgaff down, and will eventually close the service and move subscribers onto o2 payg on preferential terms.”

Doubt it.
Thine Wonk
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by jabbamk1:
“Doubt it.”

Yeah I doubt it too. Does anyone know what the delay is, I have £10 of credit on Giffgaff and I was going to try it when 4G comes out and see what kind of performance I got from it.
Zee_Bukhari
15-04-2014
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“Tesco would though and are they now the fastest growing network? Im sure someone told me they have the same market share as 3? This of course could all be a load of rubbish.
”

it is a load of rubbish, Tesco have around 2 million customers, maybe a little less where as Three have around 9 million customers.
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