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Old 21-04-2014, 20:24
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...Android users tend to have a deeper appetite and like to have more autonomy over how they do things ...
It ain't autonomy when its an all or nothing choice.
As to 'deeper appetite', mine is very small even when widened by choosing Android.
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Old 21-04-2014, 20:28
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I wouldn't honestly be surprised if the new iPhones weren't called 6. But iPhone Air [4.7"] and iPhone Pro [5.5"] it has started to happen with iPads. imagine they will call the iPad 12 inch the Pro to bring everything in line with each other....
Yep, there can;t be a 6 as that would be seen as superseding the 5s.
Of course the new 4" 5s could be called 6. Shoving in an adequate supply of RAM would be the main 5s upgrade,

So we might well have a 6, an Air and a Pro, all released close together,
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Old 23-04-2014, 14:55
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If they ever stood any chance of 'bringing down android' (never gonna happen) they'd have to innovate, not just copy.
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Old 23-04-2014, 16:52
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Seems iphone 6 maybe too late anyway, rats deserting the sinking ship it seems

http://news.techeye.net/mobile/apple...-up-to-samsung
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Old 23-04-2014, 17:08
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Not really, we get early release rumours every single year.

The rumours only come about to make people considering upgrading wait and wait and wait. It happened last year too. The iPhone is 'exclusive' so expanding supply might lower their own prices anyway.
And the low sales of the 5c simply ensure good 5s sales.

I'd say low sales of whatever new appears, likely in autumn, will be for good reason.
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Old 28-05-2014, 16:19
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http://nikf.org/blog/the-state-of-the-ecosystem

An interesting developer write-up, highlighting many a fundamental.
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Old 28-05-2014, 16:53
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I would disagree with this generalisation. The suggestion that Android users tend to be so because they like a phone they can tinker with and customise. These are things tech geeks think are important, but to assume their preferences and motivations must be shared by 'normal' folk is, I believe, presumptuous. I would suggest only a tiny minority of users ever consider these things in their buying decisions. The majority who use Android, have it for no other reason than that’s what the phone they got came with. And they will tinker with and customise it no more than if they had an iPhone instead, i.e. barely at all, if ever.
I must be in the minority then because after many years of loving iOS, I've moved to Android (HTC One M8... a make I'd never considered till I saw what it could do) and I couldn't love it more. It offers far more flexibility than my iPhones ever did - I grew to hate the tiny screen (albeit a remarkably clear one) and the way the UI never changes. I love the movability of icons and widgets and especially the keyboards. I'd never want to go back to the typing on an iPhone after experiencing Android keyboards like Swype etc.
It all depends on what you want your phone to do I suppose.
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Old 28-05-2014, 18:53
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I must be in the minority then because after many years of loving iOS, I've moved to Android (HTC One M8... a make I'd never considered till I saw what it could do) and I couldn't love it more. It offers far more flexibility than my iPhones ever did - I grew to hate the tiny screen (albeit a remarkably clear one) and the way the UI never changes. I love the movability of icons and widgets and especially the keyboards. I'd never want to go back to the typing on an iPhone after experiencing Android keyboards like Swype etc.
It all depends on what you want your phone to do I suppose.
You are only in the minority because the other iPhone users haven't tried such great Android hardware as the HTC One. Very few would ever go back to iOS if they did. But as you say , you had never even considered HTC as an option. There are to many one eyed Apple fanatics who will never experience something better.

And just sticking iOS on a 4.7" screen won't make any difference.
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Old 28-05-2014, 19:10
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I have seen quite a lot of very loyal Apple iPhone users switching to high spec Android phones lately. The attractive specs of the SGS5, HTC One M8, Sony Xperia Z2 etc are making some conquests from iPhone. I think a lot has to do with the higher resolution cameras, larger screens and innovative features like s-health, noise cancelling audio, stereo speakers built-in and the availability of free cloud services like dropbox, google drive and one drive.

Apple will have a big task to win back customers who migrate to Android on devices like those listed above as the user experience has greatly improved and they are open for easy transfer of music etc using common file formats that just have to be dragged and dropped from a PC.
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Old 28-05-2014, 19:24
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You are only in the minority because the other iPhone users haven't tried such great Android hardware as the HTC One. Very few would ever go back to iOS if they did. But as you say , you had never even considered HTC as an option. There are to many one eyed Apple fanatics who will never experience something better.
Better is a personal judgement. I've owned a Nexus 4 (for 9 months, then sold it), and loaned (for 6 weeks) an HTC one from a friend, but I prefer my iPhone 5s. I can see why people like Android, but its not for me. TBH I don't want a bigger screen from Apple, hopefully they will have choices.
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Old 28-05-2014, 21:11
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Preference? Obviously ,one small size and one restricted platform does not fit 'preference' for that many.

That above linked write-up was much about the changes taking place within OS/X to give a feel of IOS. And thus attract new buyers to OS/X?
It gave a good perception that the changes (some dumbing down in OS/X) were about giving the IOS feel and not about merging into an IO/X thing.
It is quite clever in that it means Apple could even keep a contingency plan of a 100% move to an ARM OS/X. (likely helps price negotiations with Intel).

But I think in bringing down OS/X towards IOS only raises the perception of IOS if you don't compare it to Android. Maybe the need to 'bring down' Android is much a need to bring Android down towards IOS and away from OS/X.

It is quite funny, I see Android as far more capable than Chromebook so even Google have a bit of dilemma too.
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Old 03-06-2014, 02:01
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Good article here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorri...oid-with-ios8/
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:13
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About time they did something semi exciting.

Widgets are a great addition although they are out of sight in the notification area. Still stuck with the same boring and tired old UI. I'll be sticking with Android again.

As good as the additions are, it still won't give the blow to android this article seems to think it will.
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Old 03-06-2014, 05:25
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It's been some time an Apple product brought anything down. A truckful of Apple lawyers more like it.
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Old 03-06-2014, 08:52
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the wole notion of 'bringing android down' is ridiculous. it's like were all 11 years old.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:28
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Obviously written by an apple 'fanboy'!
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:35
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With IOS8 and IPhones lager screens it could be the biggest demand for an Iphone yet. I think we will see a real switch from Android.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:54
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TBH, I think i'll go back to IOS, my Nexus 5 has been a disappointment, but its mainly been the poor speakers that frustrate me daily.
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Old 03-06-2014, 10:59
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Having watched the keynote....

I can only say Apple is bringing much needed features which have been available for a long time on other platforms. For instance a "share to" feature was only available to apps that were integrated to iOS. It annoys me when I open the Photo app and I want to share the image via email, the only way to do it is through the inbuilt mail app....where as the Gmail app I can't....I physically have to go into the app and attach an image that way....not very user friendly.

All Apple has done is refined the user features with minimal UI tweaks. Its a step in the right direction, however I would certainly say it is only now reaching feature parity with Android and Windows Phone is some respects.
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:19
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With IOS8 and IPhones lager screens it could be the biggest demand for an Iphone yet. I think we will see a real switch from Android.
Are you saying Apple haven't been giving customers what they have been wanting for a number of years?

Apple fans should be used to this long wait for what everyone else has had for ages.....
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Old 03-06-2014, 11:55
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That article is horseshit

I already have Runkeeper and MyFitnessPal synced together on android and I know Jawbone up works too.

IOS8 is basically Apple copying Android to try and catch up.
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:01
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.Apple fans should be used to this long wait for what everyone else has had for ages.....
The wait is forever in that IOS gets its own 'remote island' version of everything.
The reasons not to splash out big money and buy into that so called paradise get bigger and bigger.

Who wants a permanently bloated system with limited versions of world apps?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27664941

"In an effort to keep customers using all its technologies, Apple improved integration for calls and messages across its devices."
"However, Apple made no mention of iCloud Drive being accessible via Android, unlike the other services that offer apps via Google's Play store"
'"Very flattering to see Apple "borrow" numerous WhatsApp features into iMessage in iOS 8 #innovation"'

Just goes to show that the 'slide to lock' Samsung war makes Apple the world leader elect of fibbing.
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:59
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IOS8 is basically Apple copying Android to try and catch up.
Only it has caught up now Apple seem to have fast tracked things under Tim Cook. Iphone 6 will offer a genuine alternative for people who wouldn't normally go Apple. Iphone 6 could easily become the "Nokia 3310" of today. Obviously it's had to be sure with the lacksuture Iphone 5C sales but Apple seem to want to have a full range now of fashion and flagship devices. Overall sales of the 5C will hit into budget Androids and the larger screen phones could dominate.
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Old 03-06-2014, 13:27
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...IOS8 is basically Apple copying Android to try and catch up.
Apple are maybe doing well at giving other app competitors a very hard lesson.

That being that if you don't sell up they may instead bring you down. From the outset they said that apps that mimic functionality are not really welcome on IOS.

This is likely Apples biggest ever theft of intellectual property. But it is not Google getting hurt, it is smaller innovative companies they are undermining.

I'm not sure if I buy into 'limited by operating only in the walled garden' as being different enough to not be blatant copying.
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Old 03-06-2014, 13:34
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Yes they sell a lot of iphones but, Android sells more. Android have a bigger marketshare.

Not sure what your point here is to be honest.
I'm not sure Android make phone. It's hardly surprising that there is a large installed base.

Currently there are 265 (I may have missed one or two) phone capable of running Android.

For IOS there are currently 7 (I suspect the original iPhone would gasp at anything these days)
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