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The Ratings Thread (Part 59)
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SamuelW
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by derek500:
“Did Andrew Davies write any series two episodes of Mr Selfridge? How many of the first series did he write?”

Davies wrote three episodes of series 1 and also the premiere episode of series 2. He has now quit writing for Mr Selfridge, partly because he is now concentrating on writing a major drama project for the BBC called War and Peace, which will be one of the biggest drama hits of next year.
C14E
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“It started with 8 million, but as the show was so atrocious, the audience sank below 4 million for the second week. I often wonder if ROB was a contributing factor in TXF losing 2 million viewers in 2011.
Yet someone must have had faith in this rotten show as it gained a second series but ratings seldom exceeded 3 million.”

Red or Black was the best thing X Factor 2011 had going for it in terms of other itv shows. Even the last episode on a Saturday managed overnights of 4.51m (against Doctor Who) and 5.83m - and it was those figures that got the whole thing a second chance. They'd kill for those numbers at the moment! Of course this pattern didn't continue the next year when they made it a Saturday show and it failed to make it out of the 3's.

The midweek ratings were pretty dismal though. And the whole thing was doomed by the weight of expectations (not to mention the lack of any obvious role for the contestants to play!).
SamuelW
04-05-2014
I have just done intensive research on the Rugby World Cup 2015 fixtures. It appears that unless XFactor airs as early as 6.30pm [which isnt gonna happen], there will be no episodes of The XFactor in 2015 for 5 straight Saturdays between 19th September and 17th October 2015. Dont know how Itv will get around that, it will delay the live shows surely and will they then reduce the number of live weeks or overflow into January 2016?

The Rugby World Cup schedule has been done in such a way that fortunately for them their Sunday and Monday primetime schedules will not be affected. So the dramas on those nights will be fine. In terms of the Saturdays though, good news for Strictly Come Dancing which will be able to have a free run for 5 weeks and establish itself quite well.
NeilVW
04-05-2014
England v Wales at 20:00 on Saturday 26 September 2015 should be a massive rater. However all Strictly needs to do is start at 18:30 to avoid it.

Like SamuelW I can't see The X Factor starting at 18:30 for five weeks (directly against Strictly, even if The X Factor does come back more competitive in 2014) so I guess a change of day will be needed? I suggest Sundays for the audition shows, leading into the dramas at 21:00.
SamuelW
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Like SamuelW I can't see The X Factor starting at 18:30 for five weeks so I guess a change of day will be needed? I suggest Sundays for the audition shows, leading into the dramas at 21:00.”

Would XFactor have to change its format then to accomodate that? Last year they had room auditions on the Saturday and then the same contestants in the arena auditions on Sunday. Would be weird if one Sunday they had room auditions, the following Sunday it went to arena auditions, then room auditions and so on.

Also what happens to bootcamp and live shows, will they be cut down? Or go past December and overflow into January? Wouldnt that have a knock on effect on how Rising star is scheduled in 2016, if that gets a second series.
Pizzatheaction
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“There are so many combinations here from which to concoct a number of conspiracy theories:

JC writes for The Sun, a direct rival to the Mirror

JC if a close friend of Cameron, the Mirror is a Labour-supporting paper

Piers Morgan used to be the editor of the Mirror

Piers Morgan & JC have a long-running dispute between them

JC is a supporter of the Conservatives, supported/admired Thatcher

One for the existing BBC conspiracy theorists - the BBC is supposedly a Labour-loving, left wing organisation.

Leveson and this Government vs. the papers



Why has no section of the media asked how the BBC clip ended up in the hands of the Mirror, what did the Mirror pay for something that was probably obtained or offered illegally, and who within the BBC would have had access to such archive cutting-toom floor material?



So many options here - manna from heaven for a conspiracy theorist”

Indeed.
cylon6
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“The Guess List isnt actually rating well at all. It is just about scraping 3.3million up against absolutely dire sub 1.2million Itv competition. Imagine if Itv showed something half-decent in that slot above 2.5m, The Guess List wouldnt even be getting 3m. I dont think it should be renewed, it ought to be rating more than what it is and holding more of the Casualty audience.”

Guess List would hold onto more of the BGT lead-in audience than Less Than Amazing Greys.
Pizzatheaction
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Norton being asked to present BBC1's top light entertainment show and take over from Bruce? How could that be a comedown?”

I was not suggesting the show might be a comedown. I was referring to sharing the presenting duties. I haven't followed Graham's career closely, but I can't remember him ever not being the sole presenter on anything he's done.

Then there's the issue of being second fiddle to Brucie, and missing the two editions Bruce wants to present.
NeilVW
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Would XFactor have to change its format then to accomodate that? Last year they had room auditions on the Saturday and then the same contestants in the arena auditions on Sunday. Would be weird if one Sunday they had room auditions, the following Sunday it went to arena auditions, then room auditions and so on.

Also what happens to bootcamp and live shows, will they be cut down? Or go past December and overflow into January? Wouldnt that have a knock on effect on how Rising star is scheduled in 2016, if that gets a second series.”

We don't know, do we, if the split auditions will persist into the 2014 series, let alone 2015. And I've got a feeling that Rising Star won't survive its rookie series.

All in all, too early to say, although it will certainly be interesting.
Score
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Would XFactor have to change its format then to accomodate that? Last year they had room auditions on the Saturday and then the same contestants in the arena auditions on Sunday. Would be weird if one Sunday they had room auditions, the following Sunday it went to arena auditions, then room auditions and so on.

Also what happens to bootcamp and live shows, will they be cut down? Or go past December and overflow into January? Wouldnt that have a knock on effect on how Rising star is scheduled in 2016, if that gets a second series.”

Personally I'd start it all a week earlier so the auditions aren't affected, as they'd run Saturday 22nd August-Sunday 13th September. The following weekend I can't see them airing a first round France v Italy game on the main network. It'll go on ITV4. So bootcamp weekend could run as normal on Saturday 19th/Sunday 20th. Then things get a little more complicated. For judges houses last year they aired 2 x 110 minute episodes, one on Saturday and one on Sunday. So I guess they could just air them across 2 Sundays (27th Sept and 4th Oct). That seems reasonable enough (they could edit it so that we see some decisions across both shows, like they did last year).

For the 2 live weeks affected I'd just run performance shows on Sundays from 7-9pm. Then results shows Mondays 8-9pm, with the displaced Corrie used elsewhere. I know it means overlapping with EastEnders but that isn't the end of the world and they could then avoid disrupting the 9pm drama (and give it a big lead-in too).

Not ideal but I don't think it'd be too bad.
C14E
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“I have just done intensive research on the Rugby World Cup 2015 fixtures. It appears that unless XFactor airs as early as 6.30pm [which isnt gonna happen], there will be no episodes of The XFactor in 2015 for 5 straight Saturdays between 19th September and 17th October 2015. Dont know how Itv will get around that, it will delay the live shows surely and will they then reduce the number of live weeks or overflow into January 2016?

The Rugby World Cup schedule has been done in such a way that fortunately for them their Sunday and Monday primetime schedules will not be affected. So the dramas on those nights will be fine. In terms of the Saturdays though, good news for Strictly Come Dancing which will be able to have a free run for 5 weeks and establish itself quite well.”

Pretty easily I'd have thought. Double bills on Sundays. Or better still, Sundays at 8pm and Mondays at 9pm (Mondays are a day off for the RWC). There's no rule that says XF has to be on Saturdays or not on at all. So long as they're consistent with how they do it then it might actually work out quite well.
SamuelW
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by Score:
“For the 2 live weeks affected I'd just run performance shows on Sundays from 7-9pm. Then results shows Mondays 8-9pm, with the displaced Corrie used elsewhere. I know it means overlapping with EastEnders but that isn't the end of the world and they could then avoid disrupting the 9pm drama (and give it a big lead-in too).

Not ideal but I don't think it'd be too bad.”

They wouldnt be able to have a Monday night results show on 12th October because there is an England Euro 2016 qualifying game that night that they'll be showing. Also it wouldnt be a wise idea airing Sunday performances 7-9pm, Strictlys results show will dent it a lot surely.
Score
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“They wouldnt be able to have a Monday night results show on 12th October because there is an England Euro 2016 qualifying game that night that they'll be showing. Also it wouldnt be a wise idea airing Sunday performances 7-9pm, Strictlys results show will dent it a lot surely.”

That's a bit awkward. I guess the best solution would be to do some kind of twist that means they could get the whole thing done in about 2 hours that week. I know it'd mean losing an hour but they'd make up for it elsewhere in the series.

That slot would be fine for the Sunday performances. Strictly would dent it a bit but that would be cancelled out by being on a Sunday rather than a Saturday. They'd dent Strictly too.
johnnymc
04-05-2014
"Britians Got Talent" gained alot in plus one viewers. Wonder how it will hold up against "Eurovision" next week, its always had a clash before. Im glad itv have moved it away.
Glenn A
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“England v Wales at 20:00 on Saturday 26 September 2015 should be a massive rater. However all Strictly needs to do is start at 18:30 to avoid it.

Like SamuelW I can't see The X Factor starting at 18:30 for five weeks (directly against Strictly, even if The X Factor does come back more competitive in 2014) so I guess a change of day will be needed? I suggest Sundays for the audition shows, leading into the dramas at 21:00.”

With most live football gone from ITV by then, this will be a massive consolation for the third button. Also since rugger attracts a more middle class audience than football, this will be demographically brilliant for ITV. I think the RUWC offers ITV Sport a temporary breathing space as without it, there would have had almost no sport to show on their main channel.
C14E
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by johnnymc:
“"Britians Got Talent" gained alot in plus one viewers. Wonder how it will hold up against "Eurovision" next week, its always had a clash before. Im glad itv have moved it away.”

I think the move will do Eurovision a lot more good than it will BGT, it's basically serving up 11m viewers who could get hooked if it looks like the UK might do well. I think BGT will be fine, the 7pm start and shorter run time might depress ratings a bit but the main impact will be that +1 will take a big hit as will Same Day timeshift. On the plus side, it's not a holiday weekend. And if it does drop, it will recover the next week with the FA Cup final lead-in.
NeilVW
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“But ITV bought out the GMTV franchise. Surely they can change timings at the weekend?.”

I'm pretty sure that, regardless of ownership, as ITV Breakfast Broadcasting Ltd holds the separate "National Breakfast-time" licence the condition is that they have to supply programming strictly from 06:00-09:25 every day. This would explain why the traditional but rather odd timing has persisted since 2009 when ITV took full ownership.
H of De Vil
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Sally Wainwright has quit writing for her tv drama Scott and Bailey. This follows the news recently that Mr Selfridge creator Andrew Davies has also quit writing for his show due to creative difference. This comes less than a year after Itv got a new Head of Drama, who has a different vision from ex drama controller Laura mackie.

Wainwright is busy writing for her two higher-rating BBC One drama projects Last Tango in Halifax and Happy Valley. Happy Valley just a few days ago became Britain's biggest launching midweek drama since 2011, according to overnight figures [excluding +1].”




On the BBC yes.

p.s I wish you would post links to this news you come by. I know you have several 'sources' that feed you this information but it would be nice to see a link to a website.
Brekkie
04-05-2014
I thought Scott and Bailey were created by Suranne Jonea and Sally Lindsay from Corrie - nothing to do with Sally Wainwright.

P.S. Love how some folk here who are so dismissive of +1 are now quick to bump up the Friday night edition of EE by including the omnibus rating.
H of De Vil
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by Brekkie;72500487[B:
“]I thought Scott and Bailey were created by Suranne Jonea and Sally Lindsay from Corrie - nothing to do with Sally Wainwright.[/b]

P.S. Love how some folk here who are so dismissive of +1 are now quick to bump up the Friday night edition of EE by including the omnibus rating.”

It was. Sally Wainwright wrote some episodes for it. I think given that she's writing for the BBC for two dramas her leaving won't matter and might be better, being that the writers there at the moment can concentrate on Scott & Bailey alone and not 2 other dramas.
SamuelW
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“[/b]
On the BBC yes.”

Happy Valley was the best launching midweek drama on any channel since 2011 based on overnight ratings, excluding +1 and repeats.
NeilVW
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“P.S. Love how some folk here who are so dismissive of +1 are now quick to bump up the Friday night edition of EE by including the omnibus rating.”

That's not what it's about at all - the omnibus is picking up timeshift viewers who really should have been assigned by BARB to the Friday 20:00 episode, and would have been if the BBC had been using a technical solution to distinguish them (an inaudible audio code embedded in the broadcasts).
James J
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“ITV fully own the breakfast slot. They can schedule it as they please. The fact they want to end everything at 9.25am is down to them. Also Lorraine rates higher than GMB so it would be madness to extend GMB and reduce Lorraine.”

What about shoving Jezza K into the afternoon?

6.00 Good Morning Britain
9.00 Lorraine
10.00 This Morning
12.30 ITV News at Noon
1.00 Loose Women
2.00 Dickinson’s Real Deal
3.00 Jo Frost’s Family Matters
4.00 The Jeremy Kyle Show
5.00 Paul O’Grady
guestofseth
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“I thought Scott and Bailey were created by Suranne Jonea and Sally Lindsay from Corrie - nothing to do with Sally Wainwright.

P.S. Love how some folk here who are so dismissive of +1 are now quick to bump up the Friday night edition of EE by including the omnibus rating.”

Huh? No one is doing that, people are just proving that catch up viewers that should be going to Friday 8pm showing are being added to the omnibus. I see no one adding the omnibus rating to the 8pm rating. (Bravo on the next-level spinning though, moving past just spinning ratings and onto twisting other people's posts to fit an agenda as well.)

They went to Wainwright with the idea, she then wrote most of the episodes, with Amelia Bullmore writing three. I assume Bullmore will be the one writing Series 4.
Andy23
04-05-2014
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I'm pretty sure that, regardless of ownership, as ITV Breakfast Broadcasting Ltd holds the separate "National Breakfast-time" licence the condition is that they have to supply programming strictly from 06:00-09:25 every day. This would explain why the traditional but rather odd timing has persisted since 2009 when ITV took full ownership.”

STV & UTV could in theory opt out and show their own programming at 9:25 which would be impossible if ITV scheduled programming across the junction, therefore programmes still need to end at 9:25
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