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I think the show has the potential to stabilise. I can't see it ever reaching 2009 levels again but with the right production choices I think it could last a few years yet.
At the very least it could get to a point whereby itv's most important talent Ant and Dec are not being utilised effectively by continuing to do a declining show as time consuming as BGT. Finding the next big hit for them is critical, really. |
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I do feel sorry for ITV.
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Any sensible person would know itv had no choice but to move corrie to Sunday because of Friday's England game its not rocket science.
Personally I would have done the BGT/Corrie scheduling Sunday to Thursday with the final last night. Not sure BGT has had the momentum this series to deal with a week long break before the final next Saturday. |
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Artem is one of the most popular dancing stars on "Strictly Come Dancing" but the new dancing stars always manage to refresh the show. Kevin Clifton settled in well to the show after just one series. The ratings will be interesting to watch as "The X Factor" looks to be a stronger challenge to "Strictly Come Dancing". Nothing seems to shake it from the ratings though. The format is the star of the show not the participants. The slightly lacklustre line up last year of celebrity dancers affected nothing in ratings terms to my surprise!
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I think the show has the potential to stabilise. I can't see it ever reaching 2009 levels again but with the right production choices I think it could last a few years yet.
They've had the same panel for 3 years now and whilst it works well maybe they could do with a little freshen up. Amanda Holden is the obvious candidate to go, but there's no point in doing that unless they can find a better replacement. I think the show is fine and still pretty healthy. No way are we seeing an X Factor 2011 situation here. The scheduling isn't helping matters though as the results shows just aren't a draw. The biggest draw are clearly the auditions, so they should probably seek to maximise those. Some kind of expansion on the middle stage could work too and mean they could maybe drop a semi final and therefore have fewer acts on the live shows. The ratings haven't dropped much on the whole this year. But they have dropped a little more than in the past couple of years and that might encourage ITV to give it a little bit of TLC which I think it could do with. They could treat it a bit better than they have done this year. Things like flinging an audition show to a Sunday at 7pm, interruptions in the live week and last night's woeful schedule have all acted against it and just a bit more care could help them out. It'll be interesting to see how the final does next week. I can see it being a bit disappointing to be honest as it feels a bit tacked on a week after the event. It works for the acts as it gives them more time to prepare but it doesn't help with momentum, which is something this series has struggled with anyway. |
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I'm sure the itv executives and its poster boys and girls will appreciate your concern and pity as they drown themselves in their mountains of cash now that itv is profitable again.
To their credit they've been investing more shrewdly of late in production companies and so on. It's almost as if they have a strategy.
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At the very least it could get to a point whereby itv's most important talent Ant and Dec are not being utilised effectively by continuing to do a declining show as time consuming as BGT.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/d...cowell-3625506 |
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Artem is one of the most popular dancing stars on "Strictly Come Dancing" but the new dancing stars always manage to refresh the show. Kevin Clifton settled in well to the show after just one series. The ratings will be interesting to watch as "The X Factor" looks to be a stronger challenge to "Strictly Come Dancing". Nothing seems to shake it from the ratings though. The format is the star of the show not the participants. The slightly lacklustre line up last year of celebrity dancers affected nothing in ratings terms.
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The thing is, the big shows need to be treated with respect and produced to the highest of standards in order to deter a decline each series. This is how Strictly has done so well, credit to the BBC they have taken good care of it and its paid off. It might have a slight decline each year but its minimal.
ITV on the other hand don't seem to treat them well. Its almost like they know its a hit so they fling it about the schedules with filler either side thinking it will do well regardless. However it then comes back to bite them on the butt when the show starts to decline. To make BGT stronger and less likely to turn viewers away then needed to reduce the semi-final acts, thus reducing the semi-finals down to around 3 over a week or 2. However profit has come first. When BGT, XF and IAC do decline significantly then they really are going to be in trouble. The second tier LE programmes are not strong enough. Despite being another singing show, it would be a god step if Rising Star is a hit. Its different enough not to be a clone of XF/TVUK. |
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Sure, but who knows when that will be. No idea where it will eventually settle down at and whether that number will be high enough for itv for such an expensive programme.
At the very least it could get to a point whereby itv's most important talent Ant and Dec are not being utilised effectively by continuing to do a declining show as time consuming as BGT. Finding the next big hit for them is critical, really. I do think they could be used more on BGT though. Not so much on the live shows where there's only so much they can do and they do well there anyway, but I do think they could feature more on the auditions, as they were a bit absent this year. |
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It's only about 5% down on last year as it is, it hasn't suddenly collapsed despite the mood on this thread.
They've had the same panel for 3 years now and whilst it works well maybe they could do with a little freshen up. Amanda Holden is the obvious candidate to go, but there's no point in doing that unless they can find a better replacement. I do think though the stability of the panel has helped it over the years - chopping and changing for the sake of it doesn't seem to do any of these shows any favours. |
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A great IPL final ends with a last over thrilling finish on ITV4, must do well.
The tournament now goes to Sky Sports from next year. |
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It's still a huge show, I think it's fair to say it is more than a big enough show for them. I agree that they need to find the next big hit for them, but I don't think taking them off BGT is the way to do that. Especially as I don't think BGT is all that time consuming for them anyway. Certainly less so than Takeaway.
I do think they could be used more on BGT though. Not so much on the live shows where there's only so much they can do and they do well there anyway, but I do think they could feature more on the auditions, as they were a bit absent this year. |
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Based on this week I'd say David's time is probably up (as long as they don't bring back Piers "out of work" Morgan). His failure to give criticism where there is criticism to give has been incredibly annoying and he's one of those personalities where the things that made him great and refreshing a couple of years ago now make him annoying and tired.
I do think though the stability of the panel has helped it over the years - chopping and changing for the sake of it doesn't seem to do any of these shows any favours. |
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No BT Sport ratings for yesterday yet then ? I'd love to know how the thrilling rugby final performed.
Also I notice there's been no updates to channel4sales.com since 16 May. Disaster ! They better fix that by Friday or I'll be spitting feathers, it's a key resource for me. |
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I mentioned on GB that maybe each of the big tslents shows like xf snd bgt etc should take a year off...let the talent pool refill. So bgt 1 year and xf the next. With TV and Rising star and bgt and xf in 2015...its going to get tough
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It could have easily been worked around.
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They didn't have to leave it abandoned in the schedule with no prop. That was their choice. Quote:
It was random because you went on the defensive when no one was actually slagging anything off! Infact, discussion today has been constructive and other than suggestions on what ITV could have done, as far as I'm aware there has been no negativity until your random defensive post!
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I'm talking about it being on at 9pm tonight not the fact it's on a Sunday. Any sensible person would know that. It's completely redundant at 9pm without the BGT sandwich and just sticks out like a sore thumb.
Personally I would have done the BGT/Corrie scheduling Sunday to Thursday with the final last night. Not sure BGT has had the momentum this series to deal with a week long break before the final next Saturday. |
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Any sensible person would actually know. The fact its on tonight is because of the football on Friday. itv always have Corrie at 9pm on BGT semi final week Monday-Friday since 2010. You can't put Corrie on Saturday its never been on Saturdays before to what I gather.
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Also I notice there's been no updates to channel4sales.com since 16 May. Disaster ! They better fix that by Friday or I'll be spitting feathers, it's a key resource for me.
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Airing Rising Star on Sundays risks putting itv in the position of FOX in the US - following a similar show.
If you've spent 2 hours (or more) watching The Voice on Saturday, are you really going to want to watch another 2 hours of a similar show on Sunday? Especially when a month ago, you were probably watching X Factor. A lot depends on the international results over the coming months and who they book as judges. But Saturday nights at 7pm seem like the best slot to me. It's the new gimmick in town, it's live, it's interactive, The Voice won't have a Kylie lift... the whole head to head thing worked brilliantly for them in 2012 against BGT. Quote:
I can't see Rising Star (if a big hit say 7million) affected Midwife that dramatically. I'm sure Midwife wouldn't drop below 7million since its skews heavily in the OAP department, whereas Rising Star will skew young. And in any case Midwife will consolidate well, the BBC don't need to worry about overnights as much as ITV.
I think Rising Star will rate around 6million, nothing massive but not a flop. ITV will launch it the first weekend of January to give it a head start and easy competition. |
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There's something about Sundays on here... one rating can be over-analysed to the point that there's a small crisis! Yes, the results show rating being down 22% is dire. But it's one data point - there were 9 more from this week, none of which were down more than 10%.
If this series ends up down 6% or 7% (in overnights, less in consolidated) then it will be less than the soap declines and those are meant to go on forever. It's slightly more than recent years where declines were kept to a minimum (I think the highest recently was the 5% drop in 2012). In a repeat of 2010, 2011 and 2012, it's the live shows where the declines are really hitting. So it could certainly be a time to consider changes, but hardly the bleak picture being painted. Ant & Dec have a large chunk of time in autumn before I'm A Celebrity to find a new vehicle. |
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sorry to ask again, but does anybody have any ratings for the tennis on itv4, especially murray match yesterday?
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I sincerely doubt that even you know what you're talking about.
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You haven't thought this through showing the Soap Awards 2 weeks after the results in that ideal schedule world be madness the rest is pure guesswork. itv know their programmes and their audience better than anybody else.
I'm not being or going on the defensive am not like you. I was pointing out the facts. Any sensible person would actually know. The fact its on tonight is because of the football on Friday. itv always have Corrie at 9pm on BGT semi final week Monday-Friday since 2010. You can't put Corrie on Saturday its never been on Saturdays before to what I gather. Quote:
My opinions don't change like the weather.
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You can't put Corrie on Saturday its never been on Saturdays before to what I gather.
One issue I have with either Saturday or Sunday is the change of week from a TV guide point of view. Is the Sunday episode as 'special' as it technically falls under a new week of content? |
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