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The Ratings Thread (Part 59)
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Chris1964
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by Hildaonpluto:
“Sounds ace and Sarah Lancashire is top talent.”

Yes she is, and has been pretty prolific for the BBC in recent years:

All the Small Things
Five Daughters
Inspector George Gently
Larkrise to Candleford
Upstairs Downstairs
The Paradise
Last Tango in Halifax
Happy Valley

All this without the need for a set of golden handcuffs!
yorkie100
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“The same would apply to Monday, Tuesday and Thursday episodes if the BBC are not putting in the inaudible codes which can distinguish them from the omnibus when BARB crunch the data. This is probably the case, as I can see no reason to put them in some episodes and not others.

As Pizza says, however, Saturday and Sunday (and beyond) PVR/on-demand viewing of Mon-Thu episodes is presumably small when compared with Saturday and Sunday (and beyond) catch-up of Friday's edition. Hence we are seeing by far the biggest effect with Fridays.

When the Sunday omnibus was in place, these effects (if they were present) would have been greatly reduced because any catch-up viewing before Sunday afternoon would have been credited to the Mon/Tue/Thu/Fri main showing (i.e. the most recent linear transmission*).

* It has previously been posted in here that if there is more than one previous linear transmission to choose from within the seven days, on different channels, then BARB's computer allocates the PVR/on-demand viewing to the transmission on the channel which that particular viewer watches the most. So in the case of EastEnders on BBC One and BBC Three, clearly the BBC One 19:30/20:00 showing will pick up the great majority of timeshift, rather than the BBC Three 22:30 repeat.”

So the ratings we are getting for EE (and for that matter have had for an unspecified amount of time but could be years ) are really only ballpark figures and not actually correct for whatever reason - not really good is it?
H of De Vil
30-04-2014
Is a good channel one that pulls low rating programmes out of the schedule or lets them finish in the same slot? (no need to reply to this Samuel, I know exactly what you think).
H of De Vil
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Yes she is, and has been pretty prolific for the BBC in recent years:

All the Small Things
Five Daughters
Inspector George Gently
Larkrise to Candleford
Upstairs Downstairs
The Paradise
Last Tango in Halifax
Happy Valley

All this without the need for a set of golden handcuffs!”


Ex-Corrie actresses seem to be doing well presently; Sarah Lancashire, Suranne Jones, Katherine Kelly etc.
Dancc
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Is a good channel one that pulls low rating programmes out of the schedule or lets them finish in the same slot? (no need to reply to this Samuel, I know exactly what you think).”

I think personally it depends how low we are talking.

If the audience you're turning your back on by putting out a show that's massively below the slot average is bigger than the audience you're actually reaching, then I think that's a problem that needs addressing.
NeilVW
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Thanks Neil - somehow missed the one post in this thread actually about ratings. The gap seems pretty much standard throughout then.”

Just to add, the head-to-head averages (from 06:00 to 08:30) were as follows on Monday:

Breakfast: 1.39m (35.2%)
Good Morning Britain: 0.80m (20.3%) inc +1

Breakfast actually had a higher share for its full broadcast from 06:00 to 09:15 (35.8%/1.50m) than for the head-to-head against GMB, implying that its rating during the period of 08:30-09:15 (a few minutes of adverts then the majority of Lorraine) was 1.88m (37.5%).
yorkie100
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Yes she is, and has been pretty prolific for the BBC in recent years:

All the Small Things
Five Daughters
Inspector George Gently
Larkrise to Candleford
Upstairs Downstairs
The Paradise
Last Tango in Halifax
Happy Valley

All this without the need for a set of golden handcuffs!”

Has she not done ITV stuff at the same time?
Brekkie
30-04-2014
So a couple of years ago Cardinal Burns runs on E4 getting an average of just over 113k, 22k below the slot average.

So what do C4 do - promote it to the main channel of course. Can't see it managing more than half a million tonight, which although I'm sure C4 will see quadrupling the audience as a sign that it warranted promotion, 0.5m even at 10.30pm just isn't good enough for C4.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/rating...043277.article

It's so frustrating that C4 just isn't taking the opportunities at the moment - there are clear opportunities for them to make inroads in the mornings, early evenings and late nights by offering true alternatives that appeal to a decent audience and they're just not taking them. I think their latest so called "innovative" programme being yet another weekend morning cookery show just highlights everything which is wrong with the channel at the moment.
northlad
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Yes she is, and has been pretty prolific for the BBC in recent years:

All the Small Things
Five Daughters
Inspector George Gently
Larkrise to Candleford
Upstairs Downstairs
The Paradise
Last Tango in Halifax
Happy Valley

All this without the need for a set of golden handcuffs!”

She doesnt need them,married to Peter Salmon Director BBC North
Chris1964
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Has she not done ITV stuff at the same time?”

Not according to IMDb

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0484104/

She was once on a golden handcuff deal with ITV iirc.
Dancc
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“So a couple of years ago Cardinal Burns runs on E4 getting an average of just over 113k, 22k below the slot average.

So what do C4 do - promote it to the main channel of course.

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/rating...043277.article”

Four don't know what to do out of Derek do they ?

They seem desperate to find a hit off the back of it but repeats of 8 Out of 10 Cats might be their best bet at this point if they are scraping the barrel to this extent.
Bushmills
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Great news for the BBC for Saturday 24th May, no British teams in the Champions league final. Low ratings for the all-foreign CL final will boost BBC1's ratings.”

The CL Final ratings won't be stellar but they certainly won't be "low".
NeilVW
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“So the ratings we are getting for EE (and for that matter have had for an unspecified amount of time but could be years ) are really only ballpark figures and not actually correct for whatever reason - not really good is it?”

There is strong evidence that the consolidated ratings for EE (most notably on Fridays) have been significantly distorted by the combination of (a) moving the omnibus to Friday nights; and (b) failing to put a distinguishing code into the omnibus broadcast so that PVR/on-demand viewings are added to the original episode rather than to the omnibus.

Both are these are down to the BBC, not BARB. One can only assume that the BBC are far more interested in their in-house data, specifically Live+7, which (as well as capturing iPlayer usage on devices other than TVs) adds together all narrative repeats' consolidated ratings during the week and therefore would count all of these viewers whom we believe are being artificially shifted to the omnibus.
derek500
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Ex-Corrie actresses seem to be doing well presently; Sarah Lancashire, Suranne Jones, Katherine Kelly etc.”

Not forgetting Anne Reid.
SamuelW
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“The CL Final ratings won't be stellar but they certainly won't be "low".”

It'll average around 4million viewers. Low enough for BBC1 to take advantage of.
SamuelW
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Ex-Corrie actresses seem to be doing well presently; Sarah Lancashire, Suranne Jones, Katherine Kelly etc.”

How is Katherine Kelly doing well for herself? Her latest drama The Guilty was one of the biggest drama flops of last year, rating on average below 3.5million viewers. The second series of Mr Selfridge nosedived by over 20pct and she has been criticised for her weird fake posh accent in it and not being able to bring warmth to her character
cylon6
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“If they are investing as much as £450m you'd be hopeful the programming will be more substantial than it has been of late.

Interesting though to consider how the acquisitions policy will evolve. How will the criteria for an import on C5 differ to the imports they will be looking for on Comedy Central for example? Or will they buy predominantly for the pay channels and look to rebroadcast these FTA by buying exclusive rights to series where possible?”

Would it mean Channel 5 could hold onto a few more imports?Everything is ending up on Sky. Like Scandal for example.
Dancc
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Would it mean Channel 5 could hold onto a few more imports?Everything is ending up on Sky. Like Scandal for example.”

Interesting reaction from the CEO of Big Talk who makes programmes like Rev and Friday Night Dinner, and made Threesome for Comedy Central so has worked with Viacom previously:

https://twitter.com/kentonallen/stat...12896368070656
johnnymc
30-04-2014
I think some of these ratings hits are helped by the fact they are written by writers who have had experience of popular continuing drama and have worked with some of the serial drama actors and are able to visualise them in other parts. The ratings boost is helped by the likes of Sarah Lancashire being attached to the drama. The more successful hits she also has makes a audience more confident they will want to watch her again in another drama too.
NeilVW
30-04-2014
Some bits from Broadcast (all rounded to nearest 0.1m and inc +1; peaks are 5-minute peaks):

- Happy Valley 's audience of 6.3m (27.3%) compares with a slot average of 5.5m (24.0%).
- The football peaked early, at 20:30, with 5.7m (26.4%).
- Mr Drew’s School For Boys on Channel 4 peaked at 21:45 with 2.1m (9.2%). The average of 1.7m (7.4%) beat the slot average (1.3m/5.6%) and the premiere of Educating Essex (1.4m/6.2%) but fell far short of the debut of Educating Yorkshire last autumn (3.3m/14.9%).
yorkie100
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“It'll average around 4million viewers. Low enough for BBC1 to take advantage of.”

But what exactly will BBC1 have on to take advantage with - if its the same schedule as now then they will struggle.
H of De Vil
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“How is Katherine Kelly doing well for herself? Her latest drama The Guilty was one of the biggest drama flops of last year, rating on average below 3.5million viewers. The second series of Mr Selfridge nosedived by over 20pct and she has been criticised for her weird fake posh accent in it and not being able to bring warmth to her character”

You love drama, especially where ITV is concerned. I think Breathless and Truckers were the biggest flops. The Guilty didn't to too badly.

It hasn't been long since she left Corrie, give her time she will be up there with the other two in other successful dramas.

The criticism of her character I have never heard before, so I don't know where you got that from. From what I've seen, she was heavily praised in the 2nd series for her portrayal as Lady Mae getting revenge on Lord Loxley.

I suppose since she hasn't done anything for BBC, she not classed as 'successful'actress
NeilVW
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“But what exactly will BBC1 have on to take advantage with - if its the same schedule as now then they will struggle.”

BGT won't be on and so there is the potential for gains early in the evening (ITV tend to collapse later on anyway, so the CL final will do better in later peak than the channel has managed recently).

I think Pointless Celebs will have finished by then, unless there are more than 10 episodes in this run. The Guess List will probably have ended on the 17th, so apart from Casualty and In It to Win It, I'm not sure what will be on. Could we be seeing a certain LE show tumble on to our screens soon?
cylon6
30-04-2014
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Interesting reaction from the CEO of Big Talk who makes programmes like Rev and Friday Night Dinner, and made Threesome for Comedy Central so has worked with Viacom previously:

https://twitter.com/kentonallen/stat...12896368070656”

It could be a huge moment for television. But I did say Desmond would want at least £400m.

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=8079

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=8247
dave01
01-05-2014
With the latest Iplayer pack out today for March, here's an update on how Eastenders is averaging based on the entries that appear in the Iplayer top 30:

2014
Jan - 1.19m
Feb - 1.32m
March - 1.04m

2013
Jan - 1.07m
Feb - 837k
March - 824k

March
2014 - 1.04m
2013 - 824k
2012 - 707k
2011 - 525k
2010 - 404k
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