Even though CBS owns Star Trek, the films remain with Paramount and Paramount under license from CBS will continue to make future Star Trek films.

Not it is fair, it should have been a fully clean slate, not a re-hashed one. This has to be the last re-launch because each time they loose more viewers until they never return.

So could some end up on Channel 5 in a cheaper deal?

The Andi Peter's bits are like the bits The Big Breakfast used to do with Mark Lamarr, Paul Ross and Keith Chegwin. Nothing feels new on Good Morning Britain to me.

LOL - I was pretty much spot on with that. Awful rating but no surprise - it's what happens when you promote a show that could only get 100k on E4.

I dont suppose a few films will make so much difference though.

I missed it on first run but if anyone's interested there's an interview with the Viacom CEO on 5 News Tonight at 7.30PM on Channel5+1.

I imagine Paramount need to wait for existing output deals to run out before any films appear on Channel 5, its not just current releases like Star Trek, Transformers, Mission Impossible but older titles which have huge repeat value.

Five has 21 Jump Street coming up- although its airdate has been pushed back at the last minute- and The Vow, both screening soon but not currently scheduled.

Four has Man on a Ledge on Saturday, May 10 at 9PM.

I imagine 21 Jump Street will likely air nearer the release of 22 Jump Street to give it a boost. Looks like they're back showing Sony films as Channel 4 have been showing some of the more recent Sony films. I assume that means they'll be showing The Amazing Spider-Man, Total Recall and more than likely The Expendables 2 since they have a deal with Lionsgate as well.

Perhaps they should give up Breakfast news and just use the slot for something new. perhaps just fit a News Hour in there somewhere.

Can't say I am surprised at all. I saw it coming so I don't know what Planet ITV Bosses or susanna reid are on.

BBC Breakfast is a winning format. It's not become popular because of her legs and Knicker flashing. It was obvious what was going to happen.

So should ITV just give up every slot they come second in. They have to work on their product and not worry about the competition. Hopefully ITV have the sense not to tinker at all with GMB and just let it bed in - they need to be in it for the long haul and I'm sure as long as they don't repeat the mistakes of Daybreak that patience will be rewarded.

Going to be a very strong year or two for Five in the films department if that's the case. Not forgetting Django Unchained.

As for Lionsgate I think Four might have nabbed those rights. Not sure what the film was now but they very recently aired a Lionsgate premiere.

EDIT: It was The Haunting in Connecticut. Looking at IMDB, possibly not distributed by Lionsgate in the UK?

We've had these before where Daybreak in the Adrian and Christine era used to score the lowest AI scores, but it went on for months and months where every time they were posted they were always the lowest, yet around that stage the ratings used to be the same day in day out (always rounding to 700k). This surely meant that the AI score was flawed.

How the BNP broadcast got that high also shows that they are flawed. Even if you happened to agree with their policies, the broadcast was poorly made and looked cheap compared to others that have been on this week.

Well, there's no rush to get it on, you want to be able to promote it. Obviously there have been examples of this before, there was that episode of Casualty in 1991 which featured a plane crash and was dropped after they realised it would be shown on the anniversary of Lockerbie. That was the last in the series but they showed it two months later as a "special". A few years earlier, though, they'd dropped an episode because Roy Kinnear was in it and he'd died a few days earlier, and that wasn't shown until the following August as part of a repeat run.

The final episode of the nineties cop show Thief Takers in 1996 is almost exactly like last night, it was dropped because Dunblane had happened that week and I think there was a gun battle in it (or it was just considered generally too violent), it was the last in the series and they showed it three months later on its own, again billed as a special. But then there was that final episode of the original John Hannah Rebus which was dropped in 2001, ostensibly for being unsuitable so close to 9/11, but also it wasn't rating particularly well, so they never showed it until 2004 whenit went out on the opening night of ITV3 as a bit of a novelty.

And then there was the final episode of the rotten Denise Van Outen sitcom Babes In The Wood in 1999 that was cancelled due to extended news coverage and was never shown because the series was then axed. Plus there was that episode of Bottom set on Wimbledon Common that took two and a half years to get shown on telly, after it had been released on video.

On the other hand, there was an episode of Seinfeld in 1991 which was dropped because of rolling coverage of the Gulf War so they held it over to the following series, and on the DVD there's an intro from Jerry saying that they did this one a while back so don't be confused that George is still in his old job.

So to answer the question I don't know.


I do know that The Persuasionists, the absolutely awful BBC2 sitcom the other year, got 37 because I think on this thread it was mentioned it was the lowest for anything that wasn't a Party Political Broadcast. The fact it got lower than a PPB, and that PPB to boot, is really something.


Well, I don't know if the problem is that it's not serious enough because I'm pretty sure that's not what viewers want, the BBC already do that. There's absolutely definitely an audience out there who think The X Factor and George Clooney are worth talking about, because they're the audience that buys tabloids, and they're the audience that watches ITV, and who watched TVam and GMTV when they were the leaders in that slot. I think it's pretty pointless to say it should be more serious, there are plenty of other places to find that. There's absolutely a market for this kind of thing.

People are really slow to switch over in the mornings. Breakfast took years to get anywhere near GMTV. Of course, what helped TVam was kids tuning in during the school holidays and it may well be the case that there will be some churn in the summer when both kids and adults have the time to flip around more and try it out.

However, I do agree that Ross King is just the most pointless addition, the whole idea of Our Man In Hollywood sat in front of that sign seems such a cliched concept. But they're not going to turn it around overnight, I know they've plugged it and Susanna was on the front of the Radio Times but there's still a huge number of people who don't know it's started. What they really need is either a big story or something to get people who aren't watching breakfast telly to switch on and sample it.

They have to have small elements of Daybreak kept on to try and ensure the people who watched that stay on, or else you could end up with all the existing viewers turning off and nobody new turning on.

You know those people, the ones who keep saying 'Bring back Daybreak' etc on Twitter.

"Who wants to watch Lorraine" is a stupid comment. Many people do, or it wouldn't have been on for about 20 years. TV isn't scheduled just for you.

The Haunting in Connecticut came out in 2009 so its possible it might have been released by EOne or Studiocanal in the UK. I think Channel 5 have shown Lionsgate Films from 2010 onwards, that may include The Hunger Games as well.

Sony, Paramount and Lionsgate along with Entertainment plus second run rights to Disney and WB films is a strong film slate for 5.

And also it's not as if there's no audience at all, there are people watching. Now it's been set up too the day-to-day costs are going to be pretty minimal, the newsgathering operation is already there, the presenters have been contracted and the programme will now more or less run itself, much of it is just talking heads which hardly costs much. Then they're making money from advertising and product placement and so on. Be different if they were lavishing funds on it but the cost per hour will be among the smallest on TV.

Loose Women has been beaten by the BBC every day for years and years and years, same with News at Ten but they're still on. You could argue that News at Ten should be revamped and moved* because it's not beating the Beeb at all but if ITV were that bothered they'd have done it. But what's the point when it might not do any better, and probably do worse?

Same with many things, the Daily Express does absolutely bugger all but they're not going to jack it in and tell everyone to buy the Daily Mail because it's still profitable and there's a demented but loyal set of readers who inexplicably prefer it. ITV would obviously want Good Morning Britain to be number one, but as long as it's competitive, cost-effective and profitable, they'll stick with it.

* Permanently, not just News at When like next Tuesday.

I don't get why film deals seem to be so secretive - apart from OFCOM investigating Sky Movies every couple of years and things like the Bond and Potter franchises you never seem to hear about who has the rights to what.

Re: Law and Order. Plenty of opportunities for ITV to slot it in the schedules over the next couple of months - there is a two part Billy Connoly documentary beginning next week so wouldn't be surprised if it aired the Wednesday after that.

Films rights aren't really newsworthy I guess, stuff like Bond, Potter, Star Wars are usually sold separately hence why they get press releases.

Constant revamps aren't the way forward.

ITV should stick with this Good Morning Britain, and maybe consider that being close to Breakfast rather than beating it is a success.

But if they were thinking that they could have stuck with Daybreak and saved themselves the money.

Helen Warner said that changing peoples breakfast viewing habits is difficult, she drew parallels in that just as we kinda like the same foods in the morning every day we would not have the same meal every evening. So likewise she is challenged to persuade viewers to give up consuming "BBC Breakfast" every day because its a habit.

I like the idea of Paul O'Grady at lunchtime. The irony is that he got his teatime chatshow due to standing in for Des O'Connor on lunchtime chatshow Today With Des & Mel. He was so good ITV decided to give him his own show.

Why? Just because there was a loyal, habitual, steady audience (albeit modest) it doesn't mean they should have liked Daybreak enough to give it a high AI score. Breakfast TV isn't the kind of thing to generate high appreciation: even 75 for Breakfast is a bit on the low side compared with all BBC TV.


42 isn't anywhere near high: it's extremely low. I know it's slightly embarassing that it's just 17 short of Good Morning Britain, but there we go.