The Ratings Thread (Part 59)

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kwynne42

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Not a very nice share for GMB. Its frustrating that they still include the carp that is Ross King segment and Andi Peters 'wheel of fortune'. They still don't learn that bringing back the GMTV castoffs is potentially putting off viewers to start with.

All they need is a big story to break, meaning more viewers watch the Breakfast shows and attract those who might not have watched before. But first the need to get rid of the waste of spaces, only then can a go Breakfast show become an excellent one.

Susanna Ried's career will not go down the pan if this doesn't work out, she is journalist, so can join ITV News as a newsreader if necessary. Although I hope ITV stick with her and don't give in to negative press.”

Only going to join ITV news if she takes a huge pay cut and an immense amount of sniping in the press, would be something of a humiliation.

SamuelW

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“Only going to join ITV news if she takes a huge pay cut and an immense amount of sniping in the press, would be something of a humiliation.”

Susanna Reid was always destined to fail moving from the BBC to Itv. No one likes it when a high profile presenter moves from one channel to another for money, it automatically makes people dislike them. A couple of years ago Reid was voted Britain's favourite breakfast presenter. However right now she must be one of the least popular presenters on breakfast tv because everything that's happened. It hardly ever works, someone moving from the BBC to Itv. You'd have thought Itv would've learnt that by now, but they've made the same mistake that they made 4 years ago with Chiles and Bleakley.

People like an underdog. Thats why Charlotte Hawkins is getting all the praise even though in reality her presenting skills have been about the same as Susanna Reid's. It's just a perception thing, Hawkins doesnt have a massive salary so in terms of critical reception, she's been given an easier ride than Reid. It hardly ever works getting a big name presenting on breakfast tv. How would Itv's housewives with children audience be able to relate to Reid who is on a £1million salary?

yorkie100

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Its gorgeous today in the midlands(no cloud where I am at all)-if its the same all over the country that could result in lower figures tonight.”

I would bet it affects BGT not very much if at all.

Belligerence

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by fugitive:
“I wonder why ITV bother. If they cant do it properly dont do it at all. All their breakfast offeirngs have been cheap tripe with endless ad breaks and competitions.

BBC success with Breakfast is its simplicity. You tune in- get the news- turn off and go to work,”

Familiarity you mean as well?

Unlike ITV's breakfast shows, Breakfast are capable of reporting the news rather than behaving like they are it. I mean on Thursday's edition of GMB, they were going through FHM's sexiest woman list -- Susanna gurning about making the cut.

cylon6

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“What makes you think that. If there were a big breaking news story people would just flock to Breakfast surely?”

We saw with the flooding of the country that Breakfast saw a huge jump in ratings. Daybreak had a few exclusive interviews news wise recently and the ratings didn't move.

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Tbh however good it could be, GMB will never overtake Breakfast simply because its been on years and is successful, people get stuck in their ways, and it goes on until 9.25am, whereas GMB ends a 8:30am and so the audience building from that end jump to Breakfast which is still on air.”

Getting closer to Breakfast would be a success for GMB.

Much is made of Good Morning America beating Today. The reason that happened is because Today shot itself in the foot. It happened in the early nineties when a popular host in Jane Pauley was replaced by Deborah Norville. The viewer backlash caused GMA to surge ahead. This changed was Norville was quickly changed to Katie Couric.

The second time is now. GMA is ahead due to viewers hating the way a longstanding presenter was treated. Ann Curry was fine as the newsreader but wasn't good at doing lighter features. Viewers started to drift away but they turned off in big numbers when she was sacked and treated appallingly.

GMA won because Today's ratings woes were self-inflicted. Apart from a move to Salford which could have harmed the show, but didn't, Breakfast has carried on doing what it always does. They haven't done things to drive away the audience, unlike ITV did with GMTV.

The only thing that could really mess up BBC Breakfast is BBC Breakfast. And even if GMB wins Breakfast won't collapse to Daybreak lows. ITV drove their breakfast audience away going all the way back to the last few years of GMTV onwards. Now they want some of the Breakfast audience that didn't watch the ITV offering when it was there.

That's my theory anyway.

Chris1964

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“Should point out it another bank holiday weekend.”

Talking of Bank Holidays, May Day must be the least recognised-there isn't one single nod to the fact that its different to any other Monday on ITV1. ITV3 isn't even doing any Carry Ons

BBC1 isn't all that much different-National Treasure, shortened news and maybe James Corden/Gary Barlow marking any distinction.

NeilVW

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“One rating stood out from Thursday's rating in the US - American Idol returned a record low 1.5 in the demo. It's in X Factor territory now. I'm not sure if FOX will be able to turn this around.”

And just 7.03m total viewers, equivalent to 1.4m here on a crude population comparison. Even taking into account the fractured and highly-competitive TV landscape over there, it's dire. Didn't The X Factor bottom out at a 1.5 or thereabouts, shortly before it was axed by FOX?

Idol had a mere 5% share of 18-49s, compared with 8% and a 2.6 for Grey's Anatomy.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...d-down/259822/

H of De Vil

03-05-2014

This time last year Friday 3rd May 2013

EE: 6.47m (30.4%), +2.5: 414k (2.7%) EastEnders is up 10k,
WILTY: 2.83m (12.8%)
HIGNFY: 4.47m (19.9%)
NGO: 3.47m (16.2%)
Norton: 3.02m (22.7%)

Snooker (15:00-17:00): 732k (9.4%)
Snooker (19:00-21:00): 1.52m (7.4%)
Genius of Marie Curie: 1.42m (6.5%)
QI (r): 1.54m (8.5%)

ED: 6.10m (33.3%) / 6.23m (34.0%) Down 460k YOY
Corrie (19:30): 7.70m (38.2%) / 7.87m (39.0%) Down 570k
Martin Lewis: 3.17m (15.0%) / 3.38m (15.95%)
Corrie (20:30): 7.32m (33.0%) / 7.56m (34.1%) Down 790k
Ice Cream Girls: 4.23m (19.3%) / 4.48m (20.45%)

Come Dine with Me: 820k (3.8%) / 871k (4.1%)
Ben Earl: Trick Artist: 916k (4.2%) / 1.15m (5.2%)
Alan Carr: 1.10m (6.5%) / 1.22m (7.3%)

Eddie Stobart: 1.21m (5.6%) / 1.34m (6.2%)
The Mentalist: 1.11m (5.0%) / 1.25m (5.7%)
CSI (22:00) (r): 709.5k (4.1%) 787k (4.6%)
CSI (22:55) (r): 500k (4.6%) / 558k (5.1%)

The only soap up is EastEnders and deservedly so. Corrie down the most in ratings and share.

SamuelW

03-05-2014

Theres no way BBC Breakfast will lose its audience now. The BBC arent stupid, theyre not going to suddenly change the format of the show, nor are they going to introduce phone in competitions, get rid of Bill Turnbull or bring it lots of showbiz stuff. They will just carry on with the same old same old as that is what pleases its viewers. There will be absolutely no reason for BBC Breakfast viewers to turn off. If they didnt turn off when it moved to Salford [thus potentially limiting big guest exclusives], theyre not gonna turn off now.

Last year when there was a BBC News strike, there was a day when BBC Breakfast had very limited coverage. There was a presenter on it who no one had ever seen before presenting by himself in a really cut down version of Breakfast. And that still got the same number of viewers as Breakfast normally gets, viewers didnt even switch to the Itv alternative. That is proof, if you ever needed it, that BBC viewers arent going to budge away from Breakfast under pretty much any realistic circumstances. Radio listeners arent going to tune back to tv and kids arent going to switch from childrens tv channels to GMB, so there's nothing Itv can do now to claw back the audience. If anything, all this chopping and changing, will just make viewers desert their breakfast tv coverage.

H of De Vil

03-05-2014

Does anyone have the ratings for the two episodes of Perspectives on ITV at 10pm?

NeilVW

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Last year when there was a BBC News strike, there was a day when BBC Breakfast had very limited coverage. There was a presenter on it who no one had ever seen before presenting by himself in a really cut down version of Breakfast. And that still got the same number of viewers as Breakfast normally gets, viewers didnt even switch to the Itv alternative.”

You mean the public-sector strike in February 2013? - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...0&postcount=44

The segments of Breakfast which remained did rate lower than usual, although perhaps not as significantly as one might have expected given that they were interspersed with factual-entertainment repeats. For example, 1.40m (23.7%) for the 08:00-08:30 news half hour compares with 1.99m for the same period last Monday.

However, against Daybreak 's slot of 06:00-08:30 BBC One still won on strike day, excluding +1 - just (895k v 881k).
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...9&postcount=62

yorkie100

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“This time last year Friday 3rd May 2013

EE: 6.47m (30.4%), +2.5: 414k (2.7%) EastEnders is up 10k,
WILTY: 2.83m (12.8%)
HIGNFY: 4.47m (19.9%)
NGO: 3.47m (16.2%)
Norton: 3.02m (22.7%)

Snooker (15:00-17:00): 732k (9.4%)
Snooker (19:00-21:00): 1.52m (7.4%)
Genius of Marie Curie: 1.42m (6.5%)
QI (r): 1.54m (8.5%)

ED: 6.10m (33.3%) / 6.23m (34.0%) Down 460k YOY
Corrie (19:30): 7.70m (38.2%) / 7.87m (39.0%) Down 570k
Martin Lewis: 3.17m (15.0%) / 3.38m (15.95%)
Corrie (20:30): 7.32m (33.0%) / 7.56m (34.1%) Down 790k
Ice Cream Girls: 4.23m (19.3%) / 4.48m (20.45%)

Come Dine with Me: 820k (3.8%) / 871k (4.1%)
Ben Earl: Trick Artist: 916k (4.2%) / 1.15m (5.2%)
Alan Carr: 1.10m (6.5%) / 1.22m (7.3%)

Eddie Stobart: 1.21m (5.6%) / 1.34m (6.2%)
The Mentalist: 1.11m (5.0%) / 1.25m (5.7%)
CSI (22:00) (r): 709.5k (4.1%) 787k (4.6%)
CSI (22:55) (r): 500k (4.6%) / 558k (5.1%)

The only soap up is EastEnders and deservedly so. Corrie down the most in ratings and share.”

Thanks for them - some interesting comparisions there.
Ice Cream Girls did well for a Friday - wonder why they have not put more drama there?

cylon6

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Theres no way BBC Breakfast will lose its audience now. The BBC arent stupid, theyre not going to suddenly change the format of the show, nor are they going to introduce phone in competitions, get rid of Bill Turnbull or bring it lots of showbiz stuff. They will just carry on with the same old same old as that is what pleases its viewers. There will be absolutely no reason for BBC Breakfast viewers to turn off. If they didnt turn off when it moved to Salford [thus potentially limiting big guest exclusives], theyre not gonna turn off now.

Last year when there was a BBC News strike, there was a day when BBC Breakfast had very limited coverage. There was a presenter on it who no one had ever seen before presenting by himself in a really cut down version of Breakfast. And that still got the same number of viewers as Breakfast normally gets, viewers didnt even switch to the Itv alternative. That is proof, if you ever needed it, that BBC viewers arent going to budge away from Breakfast under pretty much any realistic circumstances. Radio listeners arent going to tune back to tv and kids arent going to switch from childrens tv channels to GMB, so there's nothing Itv can do now to claw back the audience. If anything, all this chopping and changing, will just make viewers desert their breakfast tv coverage.”

We said the same thing!

Plus the thing about Breakfast is that celebrities and politicians look at the audience figures and see they need to be on. At the start of the Salford move people said they would have difficulty getting guests, myself included, now people are doing it. The Prime Minister has been in the studio, Ricky Gervais was on to talk about Derek. Celebrities are making the trip. Also how many times has a host gone to a movie press event to interview someone? Daybreak and now GMB have done the same. So being in London doesn't always mean big stars will always be in the studio.

Breakfast isn't going to suddenly collapse. It's a well oiled machine.

Brekkie

03-05-2014

It's nothing special at all here today.

Glenn A

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“And just 7.03m total viewers, equivalent to 1.4m here on a crude population comparison. Even taking into account the fractured and highly-competitive TV landscape over there, it's dire. Didn't The X Factor bottom out at a 1.5 or thereabouts, shortly before it was axed by FOX?

Idol had a mere 5% share of 18-49s, compared with 8% and a 2.6 for Grey's Anatomy.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...d-down/259822/”

I think AI has come to the end of its shelf life. It's been on for 13 years and people are tired of it. This sort of rating on a major network means curtains.
Maybe this could be an omen for the equivalent over here ,TXF, which is in a steady decline and maybe should go in 2016.

mossy2103

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“You mean the public-sector strike in February 2013? - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...0&postcount=44”

No, it would have been the NUJ strikes, like this one Feb 18/19 2013 (same day though)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21492563

or this one in March of that year:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21963301

Andy23

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“You mean the public-sector strike in February 2013? - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...0&postcount=44

The segments of Breakfast which remained did rate lower than usual, although perhaps not as significantly as one might have expected given that they were interspersed with factual-entertainment repeats. For example, 1.40m (23.7%) for the 08:00-08:30 news half hour compares with 1.99m for the same period last Monday.

However, against Daybreak 's slot of 06:00-08:30 BBC One still won on strike day, excluding +1 - just (895k v 881k).
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...9&postcount=62”

So those facts show that Samuel's recollection isn't very accurate.

NeilVW

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Thanks for them - some interesting comparisions there.
Ice Cream Girls did well for a Friday - wonder why they have not put more drama there?”

These were rzt's consolidated ITV drama averages for the first 11 months of 2013. I've added the day of the week when new episodes of each drama normally aired:

Quote:
“ITV (inc ITV+1 in brackets)
1 - 11.29m (11.83m) - Downton Abbey... (+1%) SUN
2 - 8.75m (9.37m) - Broadchurch... (NEW/+15%) MON
3 - 8.67m (9.04m) - Doc Martin... (-15%) MON
4 - 7.44m (7.97m) - Lewis... (+20%) MON
5 - 7.29m (7.99m) - Mr Selfridge... (NEW/-17%) SUN
6 - 7.29m (7.68m) - Foyle's War... (+8%) SUN
7 - 6.57m (7.04m) - Endeavour... (-14%) SUN
8 - 6.55m (6.94m) - The Suspicions of Mr Whicher... (-6%) SUN
9 - 6.38m (6.90m) - Scott & Bailey... (-8%) WED
10 - 6.37m (6.78m) - Midsomer Murders... (+10%) WED
11 - 6.04m (6.53m) - Vera... (+3%) SUN
12 - 5.60m (6.01m) - Agatha Christie's Poirot... (+5%) WED
13 - 5.58m (5.98m) - The Ice Cream Girls... (NEW/-4%) FRI
14 - 5.21m (5.66m) - Law & Order: UK... (-7%) SUN
15 - 5.06m (5.34m) - Murder On The Homefront... (NEW/-15%) THU
16 - 4.70m (5.00m) - Agatha Christie's Marple... (+6%) SUN
17 - 4.40m (4.81m) - Whitechapel... (-32%) WED
18 - 4.26m (4.55m) - Love And Marriage... (NEW/-36%) WED
19 - 4.11m (4.47m) - Lightfields... (NEW/-16%) WED
20 - 4.06m (4.49m) - The Guilty... (NEW/-14%) THU
21 - 3.93m (4.19m) - Life Of Crime... (NEW/-31%) FRI
22 - 3.21m (3.45m) - Breathless... (NEW/-40%) THU”

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=5333

Eight on Sundays, three on Mondays, six on Wednesdays, three on Thursdays and two on Fridays. No first-run drama episodes on Tuesdays or Saturdays.

There is certainly an audience for drama on a Friday: older-skewing viewers who are less prone to be out, and BBC One is normally showing comedy so it's good complementary scheduling.

However as you can see from the table Sundays, Mondays and - to a lesser extent - Wednesdays seem to be far more auspicious windows in ratings terms for the much-reduced slate of drama which ITV broadcasts these days, compared with a few years ago. You have go down to Ice Cream Girls at 13th to find a drama not on one of those three days.

jsam93

03-05-2014

What happened? It's not that long ago that Idol was the biggest show on TV!

SamuelW

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“So those facts show that Samuel's recollection isn't very accurate.”

What more proof do you need? BBC One was airing repeats of Escape to the Country and Bargain Hunt that morning in BBC Breakfast's slot and yet Daybreak couldn't get more than 900,000 viewers. It's proof yet again that a large number of people will not be willing to tune to Itv for news coverage at that time of the morning even if the BBC coverage is dire or non-existent. Many will either tune into BBC1 to watch breakfast tv or not tune in at all, Daybreak/Good Morning Britain is simply not an option.

cylon6

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by Philip Wilson:
“Its amazing how its just collapsed completely this season, I can see next year being the last it can't be profitable at this level. Fox has got a lot of work on its hands to try and come up with anything that rates well they've also managed to pretty much finish off Bones and New Girl is a gonna soon too, if it wasn't for Ramsey they would be lucky to crack a 1.5 most of the time.

It will be interesting to see how long the voice lasts over there as they are currently experiencing series lows this cycle, but they do have some new coaches next time.”

Idol has had several years of slow declines but this year it has really plummeted. It's a shock to see how far it has fallen.

NeilVW

03-05-2014

Brekkie was asking about Lorraine the other day. Some overnights from MediaTel (1, 2) (exc +1, not tape-checked):

Friday 25 April
06:00 - Daybreak: 560k
08:30 - Lorraine: 900k

Monday 28 April
06:00 - Good Morning Britain: 768k
08:30 - Lorraine: 992k

Tuesday 29 April
06:00 - Good Morning Britain: 711k
08:30 - Lorraine: 922k

Really in the same 0.9m-1.0m ballpark that she was in this time last year.

rzt

03-05-2014

Drama Consolidated Series Averages
Here are the consolidated series averages for BBC One and ITV dramas so far in 2014:

Code:

BBC One
1 - 11.83m - Sherlock... (+16%)
2 - 10.54m - Call The Midwife... (+1%)
3 - 8.45m - Death In Paradise... (+10%)
4 - 7.38m - Silent Witness... (+2%)
5 - 7.38m - The 7.39... (NEW/+1%)
6 - 7.36m - Jonathan Creek... (-16%)
7 - 7.01m - The Crimson Field*... (NEW/-19%*)
8 - 6.49m - Inspector George Gently... (+6%)
9 - 6.30m - The Musketeers... (NEW/-43%)
10 - 5.71m - Shetland... (-16%)
11 - 5.37m - Silk... (-6%)

ITV (inc ITV+1 in brackets)
1 - 6.89m (7.51m) - The Widower... (NEW/+11%)
2 - 6.74m (7.15m) - Undeniable... (NEW/-2%)
3 - 6.56m (7.07m) - DCI Banks... (+23%)
4 - 6.44m (6.82m) - Midsomer Murders... (+6%)
5 - 6.24m (6.78m) - Endeavour... (-4%)
6 - 5.90m (6.35m) - Mr Selfridge... (-21%)
7 - 5.08m (5.51m) - The Bletchley Circle... (-2%)
8 - 4.82m (5.22m) - Law & Order UK*... (-8%)
9 - 1.88m (2.05m) - Edge of Heaven... (NEW/-52%)

All individual episode ratings: http://postimg.org/image/5o0k6yd9p/

Notes
- * means that the programme is still currently airing or all its ratings are yet to come in and its average will change.
- The percentage change in brackets after the programme's name is the ratings rise or fall compared to the previous series
- For new programmes, the percentage mentioned after NEW is how the final/latest episode of the series rated compared to the first episode, to give us an idea of how well or badly the series generally held up over the its run.

Glenn A

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by jsam93:
“What happened? It's not that long ago that Idol was the biggest show on TV!”

It had 40 million at its peak in the mid noughties and FOX were so confident about it, they even repeated a couple of series in 2007, which is almost unheard of for this genre of programming. However, rather like TXF, the overkill, sob stories and changs to the judges started to annoy the viewers and audiences started to fall in the late noughties.

Brekkie

03-05-2014

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Brekkie was asking about Lorraine the other day. Some overnights from MediaTel (1, 2) (exc +1, not tape-checked):

Friday 25 April
06:00 - Daybreak: 560k
08:30 - Lorraine: 900k

Monday 28 April
06:00 - Good Morning Britain: 768k
08:30 - Lorraine: 992k

Tuesday 29 April
06:00 - Good Morning Britain: 711k
08:30 - Lorraine: 922k

Really in the same 0.9m-1.0m ballpark that she was in this time last year.”

Thanks Neil - that gives a 6-9.25am average of 651k, 828k and 768k on those three days. Obviously still a long way behind Breakfast but more of a like for like comparison (assuming they still have a break before 9.25am is Lorraine tape checked to 9.20?)

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