Lorraine still does well and I think it outperforms GMB as it's more focussed: it's largely watched by women and LK makes no bones about it, referring to her viewers as " us women".
The Ratings Thread (Part 59)
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Originally Posted by rzt:
“Drama Consolidated Series Averages
Here are the consolidated series averages for BBC One and ITV dramas so far in 2014:
All individual episode ratings: http://postimg.org/image/5o0k6yd9p/
Notes
- * means that the programme is still currently airing or all its ratings are yet to come in and its average will change.
- The percentage change in brackets after the programme's name is the ratings rise or fall compared to the previous series
- For new programmes, the percentage mentioned after NEW is how the final/latest episode of the series rated compared to the first episode, to give us an idea of how well or badly the series generally held up over the its run.”
“Drama Consolidated Series Averages
Here are the consolidated series averages for BBC One and ITV dramas so far in 2014:
Code:
BBC One 1 - 11.83m - Sherlock... (+16%) 2 - 10.54m - Call The Midwife... (+1%) 3 - 8.45m - Death In Paradise... (+10%) 4 - 7.38m - Silent Witness... (+2%) 5 - 7.38m - The 7.39... (NEW/+1%) 6 - 7.36m - Jonathan Creek... (-16%) 7 - 7.01m - The Crimson Field*... (NEW/-19%*) 8 - 6.49m - Inspector George Gently... (+6%) 9 - 6.30m - The Musketeers... (NEW/-43%) 10 - 5.71m - Shetland... (-16%) 11 - 5.37m - Silk... (-6%) ITV (inc ITV+1 in brackets) 1 - 6.89m (7.51m) - The Widower... (NEW/+11%) 2 - 6.74m (7.15m) - Undeniable... (NEW/-2%) 3 - 6.56m (7.07m) - DCI Banks... (+23%) 4 - 6.44m (6.82m) - Midsomer Murders... (+6%) 5 - 6.24m (6.78m) - Endeavour... (-4%) 6 - 5.90m (6.35m) - Mr Selfridge... (-21%) 7 - 5.08m (5.51m) - The Bletchley Circle... (-2%) 8 - 4.82m (5.22m) - Law & Order UK*... (-8%) 9 - 1.88m (2.05m) - Edge of Heaven... (NEW/-52%)
Notes
- * means that the programme is still currently airing or all its ratings are yet to come in and its average will change.
- The percentage change in brackets after the programme's name is the ratings rise or fall compared to the previous series
- For new programmes, the percentage mentioned after NEW is how the final/latest episode of the series rated compared to the first episode, to give us an idea of how well or badly the series generally held up over the its run.”
Thanks rzt.
ITV are in need to another returning drama, I have high hopes for Granchester. Let's hope they get it right.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Drama Consolidated Series Averages
All individual episode ratings: http://postimg.org/image/5o0k6yd9p/”
“Drama Consolidated Series Averages
All individual episode ratings: http://postimg.org/image/5o0k6yd9p/”
Thanks rzt.
The SEVEN top-rated dramas officially so far this year (exc +1) have been on BBC One. Numbers 8-10 were on ITV.
Including +1, BBC One still have the top three slots and seven in the top 10. On this measure ITV take #4, #8 and #9.
Originally Posted by rzt:
“Drama Consolidated Series Averages
Here are the consolidated series averages for BBC One and ITV dramas so far in 2014:
”
“Drama Consolidated Series Averages
Here are the consolidated series averages for BBC One and ITV dramas so far in 2014:
Code:
BBC One 1 - 11.83m - Sherlock... (+16%) 2 - 10.54m - Call The Midwife... (+1%) 3 - 8.45m - Death In Paradise... (+10%) 4 - 7.38m - Silent Witness... (+2%) 5 - 7.38m - The 7.39... (NEW/+1%) 6 - 7.36m - Jonathan Creek... (-16%) 7 - 7.01m - The Crimson Field*... (NEW/-19%*) 8 - 6.49m - Inspector George Gently... (+6%) 9 - 6.30m - The Musketeers... (NEW/-43%) 10 - 5.71m - Shetland... (-16%) 11 - 5.37m - Silk... (-6%) ITV (inc ITV+1 in brackets) 1 - 6.89m (7.51m) - The Widower... (NEW/+11%) 2 - 6.74m (7.15m) - Undeniable... (NEW/-2%) 3 - 6.56m (7.07m) - DCI Banks... (+23%) 4 - 6.44m (6.82m) - Midsomer Murders... (+6%) 5 - 6.24m (6.78m) - Endeavour... (-4%) 6 - 5.90m (6.35m) - Mr Selfridge... (-21%) 7 - 5.08m (5.51m) - The Bletchley Circle... (-2%) 8 - 4.82m (5.22m) - Law & Order UK*... (-8%) 9 - 1.88m (2.05m) - Edge of Heaven... (NEW/-52%)
Good year for the BBC Drama Department so far. Most of their returning dramas up year on year. Also BBC One has 7 dramas which are more popular than Itv's most popular drama so far this year! And Itv's 2 most popular dramas have been ones which will never ever return again. Add Happy Valley to the list, along with The Crimson Field and The Musketeers, and that's already 3 new 6.3m+ hit dramas BBC1 has had so far this year which will be returning in 2015.
While people will be saying Prey will be high up on that list, which is true, that will not ever be returning for another series either. At least Happy Valley looks like a big returning series for the Beeb.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Good year for the BBC Drama Department so far. Most of their returning dramas up year on year. Also BBC One has 7 dramas which are more popular than Itv's most popular drama so far this year! And Itv's 2 most popular dramas have been ones which will never ever return again. Add Happy Valley to the list, along with The Crimson Field and The Musketeers, and that's already 3 new 6.3m+ hit dramas BBC1 has had so far this year which will be returning in 2015.
While people will be saying Prey will be high up on that list, which is true, that will not ever be returning for another series either. At least Happy Valley looks like a big returning series for the Beeb.”
“Good year for the BBC Drama Department so far. Most of their returning dramas up year on year. Also BBC One has 7 dramas which are more popular than Itv's most popular drama so far this year! And Itv's 2 most popular dramas have been ones which will never ever return again. Add Happy Valley to the list, along with The Crimson Field and The Musketeers, and that's already 3 new 6.3m+ hit dramas BBC1 has had so far this year which will be returning in 2015.
While people will be saying Prey will be high up on that list, which is true, that will not ever be returning for another series either. At least Happy Valley looks like a big returning series for the Beeb.”
Dont forget Atlantis Samuel.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Lorraine still does well and I think it outperforms GMB as it's more focussed: it's largely watched by women and LK makes no bones about it, referring to her viewers as " us women".”
“Lorraine still does well and I think it outperforms GMB as it's more focussed: it's largely watched by women and LK makes no bones about it, referring to her viewers as " us women".”
I think its more to do with more people are up at that time and watching TV. Remember GMB starts at 6am with around 350k, and has to build upon that. Lorraine gets the audience handed to her on a plate. If GMB continued to 9.25am I'm sure it would be around a similar rating as Lorraine meaning its average would be higher than finishing at 8.30am.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“ITV are in need to another returning drama, I have high hopes for Granchester. Let's hope they get it right.”
“ITV are in need to another returning drama, I have high hopes for Granchester. Let's hope they get it right.”
Besides Grantchester, if doesnt look like Itv has yet commissioned any other new drama series for this year or next year with at least 6 episodes [the Beowulf show hasnt been officially greenlit yet]
The Great Fire is 4 episodes, never going to return for another series. Cilla Black biopic is 3 episodes, not going to come back for a second series - looks like a flop anyway. Chasing Shadows is 4 episodes, potentially could return for a second series. Safe House - the drama greenlit this week - is 4 episodes and based on a certain story, unlikely to return for another series.
So it looks like while BBC One are pumping out lots of new dramas with returning potential, Itv are more interested in 'mini-series' which dont come back again.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Good year for the BBC Drama Department so far. Most of their returning dramas up year on year. Also BBC One has 7 dramas which are more popular than Itv's most popular drama so far this year! And Itv's 2 most popular dramas have been ones which will never ever return again. Add Happy Valley to the list, along with The Crimson Field and The Musketeers, and that's already 3 new 6.3m+ hit dramas BBC1 has had so far this year which will be returning in 2015.
While people will be saying Prey will be high up on that list, which is true, that will not ever be returning for another series either. At least Happy Valley looks like a big returning series for the Beeb.”
“Good year for the BBC Drama Department so far. Most of their returning dramas up year on year. Also BBC One has 7 dramas which are more popular than Itv's most popular drama so far this year! And Itv's 2 most popular dramas have been ones which will never ever return again. Add Happy Valley to the list, along with The Crimson Field and The Musketeers, and that's already 3 new 6.3m+ hit dramas BBC1 has had so far this year which will be returning in 2015.
While people will be saying Prey will be high up on that list, which is true, that will not ever be returning for another series either. At least Happy Valley looks like a big returning series for the Beeb.”
ITV have Vera which will be around 7.8m consolidated.
Don't forget though the first rating for The Musketeers boosted its average massively. When it returns I imagine it will be a midling success for the BBC, around 4.5m.
I agree though ITV need more returning dramas. Although quite a few of them haven't aired yet
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Lorraine still does well and I think it outperforms GMB as it's more focussed: it's largely watched by women and LK makes no bones about it, referring to her viewers as " us women".”
“Lorraine still does well and I think it outperforms GMB as it's more focussed: it's largely watched by women and LK makes no bones about it, referring to her viewers as " us women".”
Lorraine has been the bright spot of ITV at breakfast. Gets the best ratings and close to 1m most days. ITV thought that as Lorraine Kelly was so popular at 8.30am that her audience would join her on Daybreak. That didn't happen.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“Thanks Neil - that gives a 6-9.25am average of 651k, 828k and 768k on those three days. Obviously still a long way behind Breakfast but more of a like for like comparison (assuming they still have a break before 9.25am is Lorraine tape checked to 9.20?)”
“Thanks Neil - that gives a 6-9.25am average of 651k, 828k and 768k on those three days. Obviously still a long way behind Breakfast but more of a like for like comparison (assuming they still have a break before 9.25am is Lorraine tape checked to 9.20?)”
Some days it's 09:20, on others it's 09:25. For the last two weeks it has had a tape-checked start of 08:35. I stress that those Mediatel figures are full-slot and will understate Lorraine 's ratings a little compared with tape-checked figures due to adverts at the start (and in the case of last Monday and Tuesday, at the end). They also exclude +1.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Besides Grantchester, if doesnt look like Itv has yet commissioned any other new drama series for this year or next year with at least 6 episodes [the Beowulf show hasnt been officially greenlit yet]
The Great Fire is 4 episodes, never going to return for another series. Cilla Black biopic is 3 episodes, not going to come back for a second series - looks like a flop anyway. Chasing Shadows is 4 episodes, potentially could return for a second series. Safe House - the drama greenlit this week - is 4 episodes and based on a certain story, unlikely to return for another series.
So it looks like while BBC One are pumping out lots of new dramas with returning potential, Itv are more interested in 'mini-series' which dont come back again.”
“Besides Grantchester, if doesnt look like Itv has yet commissioned any other new drama series for this year or next year with at least 6 episodes [the Beowulf show hasnt been officially greenlit yet]
The Great Fire is 4 episodes, never going to return for another series. Cilla Black biopic is 3 episodes, not going to come back for a second series - looks like a flop anyway. Chasing Shadows is 4 episodes, potentially could return for a second series. Safe House - the drama greenlit this week - is 4 episodes and based on a certain story, unlikely to return for another series.
So it looks like while BBC One are pumping out lots of new dramas with returning potential, Itv are more interested in 'mini-series' which dont come back again.”
Perhaps so far they are only being presented with one-offs. This Autumn should see them commission a few more returnable series.
But BBC1 do seem to have an absolute wash of new returnable dramas coming through presently.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“ITV have Vera which will be around 7.8m consolidated.”
“ITV have Vera which will be around 7.8m consolidated.”
Given that Vera got a million more viewers than Endeavour in the same slot against the same opposition, do you think Endeavour is in danger of being cancelled?
Also what are the chances of Law and Order UK coming back for another series? I read a major character got killed off last week, could it now be a good time to end the show on the back of the low ratings it's been getting in that Wednesday night drama death slot [Whitechapel, Love and Marriage, Marchlands II all died there].
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Thanks rzt.
The SEVEN top-rated dramas officially so far this year (exc +1) have been on BBC One. Numbers 8-10 were on ITV.
Including +1, BBC One still have the top three slots and seven in the top 10. On this measure ITV take #4, #8 and #9.”
“Thanks rzt.
The SEVEN top-rated dramas officially so far this year (exc +1) have been on BBC One. Numbers 8-10 were on ITV.
Including +1, BBC One still have the top three slots and seven in the top 10. On this measure ITV take #4, #8 and #9.”
If this thread was around 20 years ago, the only BBC drama( excluding Enders) to make the top ten regularly was Casualty. BBC drama was a bit of a desert in the mid nineties with flops galore( A Year In Provence and Rhodes were two very expensive dramas that failed big time). ITV had huge and deserved hits like Soldier Soldier, my favourite of this era( I had tried for the military but failed the medical), and more controversial success with dramas like Band of Gold( prostitutes in Bradford) and The Governess.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Given that Vera got a million more viewers than Endeavour in the same slot against the same opposition, do you think Endeavour is in danger of being cancelled? ”
“Given that Vera got a million more viewers than Endeavour in the same slot against the same opposition, do you think Endeavour is in danger of being cancelled? ”
Doubt it. There's a lot more value for Endeavour with international sales and repeats than its initial ITV overnight showing.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Given that Vera got a million more viewers than Endeavour in the same slot against the same opposition, do you think Endeavour is in danger of being cancelled?
Also what are the chances of Law and Order UK coming back for another series? I read a major character got killed off last week, could it now be a good time to end the show on the back of the low ratings it's been getting in that Wednesday night drama death slot [Whitechapel, Love and Marriage, Marchlands II all died there].”
“Given that Vera got a million more viewers than Endeavour in the same slot against the same opposition, do you think Endeavour is in danger of being cancelled?
Also what are the chances of Law and Order UK coming back for another series? I read a major character got killed off last week, could it now be a good time to end the show on the back of the low ratings it's been getting in that Wednesday night drama death slot [Whitechapel, Love and Marriage, Marchlands II all died there].”
No I don't think Endeavour is in danger if being axed. It repeats extremely well on ITV3 (800k-1million) and in th right slot can rate well. The Antiques Roadshow and bigger drama at 9pm prevent it from breaking out into 6million+ overnight. Its less accessible than Vera which is a modern crime drama.
Law & Order UK will return, again in the right slot it can do well. From rzt figures its only down 8% from when it was in the Sunday slot.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“ITV have Vera which will be around 7.8m consolidated.
Don't forget though the first rating for The Musketeers boosted its average massively. When it returns I imagine it will be a midling success for the BBC, around 4.5m.
I agree though ITV need more returning dramas. Although quite a few of them haven't aired yet”
“ITV have Vera which will be around 7.8m consolidated.
Don't forget though the first rating for The Musketeers boosted its average massively. When it returns I imagine it will be a midling success for the BBC, around 4.5m.
I agree though ITV need more returning dramas. Although quite a few of them haven't aired yet”
I agree that the jury is still very much out on Musketeers but to be fair the last 2 episodes averaged 5.25m so on a par with L&O UK for one.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“When was the last time HIGNFY was paired with another new programme. It's probably not that long ago but it seems it. You'd think it'd be quite a good lead in to a new comedy.”
“When was the last time HIGNFY was paired with another new programme. It's probably not that long ago but it seems it. You'd think it'd be quite a good lead in to a new comedy.”
Last autumn with Citizen Khan and a few editions of Apollo.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Clarkson said in The Sun that one more outburst and he will be sacked by The BBC. Listening to the audio you can't hear him say the word. People defending Clarkson because the word can't be heard I can accept, people saying it's just a word I can't.”
“Clarkson said in The Sun that one more outburst and he will be sacked by The BBC. Listening to the audio you can't hear him say the word. People defending Clarkson because the word can't be heard I can accept, people saying it's just a word I can't.”
I was reading about his Sun column on the BBC website: like he says, it's only a matter of time before he offends someone and gets sacked.
He clearly doesn't say the word, but it was silly to recite the rhyme in the first place.
The important thing now is to educate the music industry to stop American rappers using the word in their music. That industry is holding the World back now. Every other industry realises it's unacceptable.
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“I was reading about his Sun column on the BBC website: like he says, it's only a matter of time before he offends someone and gets sacked.
He clearly doesn't say the word, but it was silly to recite the rhyme in the first place.
The important thing now is to educate the music industry to stop American rappers using the word in their music. That industry is holding the World back now. Every other industry realises it's unacceptable.”
“I was reading about his Sun column on the BBC website: like he says, it's only a matter of time before he offends someone and gets sacked.
He clearly doesn't say the word, but it was silly to recite the rhyme in the first place.
The important thing now is to educate the music industry to stop American rappers using the word in their music. That industry is holding the World back now. Every other industry realises it's unacceptable.”
The thing is though that I used to use this rhyme with completely different words and until this came up had never heard of a version using that word. Maybe I have led a sheltered life or something.
Clarkson made Top Gear. Older members of the forum will remember when it was a deadly serious motoring show with only 2 million viewers. Certainly features like " Are Japanese cars more reliable than British ones" wouldn't feature now.
Originally Posted by Brekkie:
“It's nothing special at all here today.”
“It's nothing special at all here today.”
And what's the weather like?
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“The thing is though that I used to use this rhyme with completely different words and until this came up had never heard of a version using that word. Maybe I have led a sheltered life or something.”
“The thing is though that I used to use this rhyme with completely different words and until this came up had never heard of a version using that word. Maybe I have led a sheltered life or something.”
Yes, we used to sing the child-friendly version in our class at school.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Given that Vera got a million more viewers than Endeavour in the same slot against the same opposition, do you think Endeavour is in danger of being cancelled?
Also what are the chances of Law and Order UK coming back for another series? I read a major character got killed off last week, could it now be a good time to end the show on the back of the low ratings it's been getting in that Wednesday night drama death slot [Whitechapel, Love and Marriage, Marchlands II all died there].”
“Given that Vera got a million more viewers than Endeavour in the same slot against the same opposition, do you think Endeavour is in danger of being cancelled?
Also what are the chances of Law and Order UK coming back for another series? I read a major character got killed off last week, could it now be a good time to end the show on the back of the low ratings it's been getting in that Wednesday night drama death slot [Whitechapel, Love and Marriage, Marchlands II all died there].”
ITV could still boost Endeavour if they wanted by sticking a couple of Corries on Sunday or moving Endeavour to Wednesday post-Corrie. It does seem to be one of those shows that can be repeated endlessly as well, so probably ends up with a huge cumulative viewership.
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“Lorraine Kelly is a person that could do well in the daytime slot too.”
“Lorraine Kelly is a person that could do well in the daytime slot too.”
But a spectacular failure with Daybreak Mark 2
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