[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Android does the exact same 500 million but per year, not lifetime.

Apple sells the grainiest high end phone available so maybe they have far more opportunity to improve at the low end.

In 2013 there were close to 800 million units shipped running Android OS worldwide.
There were 150 million units running iOS shipped worldwide in 2013.

Samsung shipped over 300 million smartphones
Apple shipped over 150 million.

[Lyceum]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Indeed. But there will be that one time like me and my father needed the other day and he couldn't! Just a stupid ommision for a £500ish phone I find.

I do agree. Apparently it's so you can't send songs you've download via iTunes. Surely there's a way to be able to send photos you've taken but not songs.

[Lyceum]

Also have to add. I think another reason apple are so popular is the Genius Bar. I took my iPad three in today because it kept crashing. It's a month out of warranty. They swapped it out for a new one there and then. No sending it off for repair. No massive charge. Just swapped it out.

Every time I think of getting an android phone I'm put off by the fact it I'd it messes up. I have to send it off and be without it for 5-10 days. My iPhone breaks. I take it and get a new one there and then. You just can not beat that.

[alanwarwic]

I can't help but wonder how many of those 500 million have this sort of non function future coming along soon.
http://news.techeye.net/business/app...nect-to-itunes
Is it Apple experimenting with a KO obsolescence switch?

It was very garden limited anyway so what gives?

[Stiggles]

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Originally Posted by Lyceum

Also have to add. I think another reason apple are so popular is the Genius Bar. I took my iPad three in today because it kept crashing. It's a month out of warranty. They swapped it out for a new one there and then. No sending it off for repair. No massive charge. Just swapped it out.

Every time I think of getting an android phone I'm put off by the fact it I'd it messes up. I have to send it off and be without it for 5-10 days. My iPhone breaks. I take it and get a new one there and then. You just can not beat that.

Yeah, there is that. I was impressed by that myself despite the fact i have to travel about a 140 mile round trip or so!! Although, its dependant on if they have it in stock. My Mrs had to wait a week to get her iphone 4 replaced when it broke as they didn't have any in stock. Bit annoyed since it meant another 140 mile round trip!

What i wasnt impressed with is apple's phone support. That left a bit to be desired

[jchamier]

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

I can't help but wonder how many of those 500 million have this sort of non function future coming along soon.
http://news.techeye.net/business/app...nect-to-itunes
Is it Apple experimenting with a KO obsolescence switch?

There is a report today that its a screwup and server side, and will be fixed, which is good to hear.

[grumpyoldbat]

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Yeah, there is that. I was impressed by that myself despite the fact i have to travel about a 140 mile round trip or so!! Although, its dependant on if they have it in stock. My Mrs had to wait a week to get her iphone 4 replaced when it broke as they didn't have any in stock. Bit annoyed since it meant another 140 mile round trip!

What i wasnt impressed with is apple's phone support. That left a bit to be desired

As there are now Samsung stores appearing, I wonder if this will be a similar experience in those stores. It would be a great thing for them to copy Apple on, but it might get them sued again!

[alanwarwic]

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Originally Posted by jchamier

There is a report today that its a screw up and server side, and will be fixed, which is good to hear.

Very weird things are happening at Apple.
That's Sky, BBC, Now TV and now iTunes all having similarities.

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by Lyceum

Of course the finger print scanner is better than on a PDA released in 93. But it's not new and it's not innovative. In return. It's like a company releasing a colour television and claiming it to be new, different and innovative. It's not, it's a colour television done better than 20 years ago. But it's still a colour television.

Finger print scanners are not new, nor is having them on mobile devices innovative or new. Just because something has been improved upon and been implemented better doesn't make it new. Just better.

Apples biggest and best strength is it's marketing. No company can market like apple. They release a phone with a slight upgrade and make people believe it's a massive, vast, huge improvement worth upgrading too. There marketing is phenomenal.

What I'm saying is. In this day and age people want bang for buck. They don't want to throw cash away on small upgrades. Nobody is saying any company needs to do something amazing every year but the 5s isn't a huge step up from the 4s and if a company with the amount of cash, resources and supposed innovation as apple can't come up with something new and worth upgrading to every few years they're employing the wrong people. £550 is a lot of cash, more so when you're spending it on a disposable item like a phone. It's not unreasonable to want something a lot better than two year old tech when spending that amount of cash, not something marginally better.

Of course not everyone wants a bigger screen. Not everyone wants a smartphone. Not everyone wants a phone. A simple google search will tell you the market is now filled with a lot more people who want larger screens than those who don't.

100% more ram isn't 'a bit' more ram. It's double the ram. Yes. There's no iPhone with a big screen. Which a lot of people want when paying premium cash for a premium phone. For the spec geeks pretty much every other companies flagship device is better than apples. That's something many will take into account. So depending on what your idea of a premium phone is. Apple lacks in a lot of areas.

Btw. You're preaching to the converted. I have an iPhone. I love my iPhone. I just don't feel the need to believe everything apple tell me. Or believe apple are untouchable and the best available.

I would agree that the fingerprint scanner was not a new tech per se. But Apple didn't claim that a fingerprint scanner was a new, never before seen thing.

I would disagree about innovation though - I think Apple's implementation was innovative.

Again using colour tvs and digital cameras in the same context - if we would agree that colour tvs, digital cameras and fingerprint scanners have improved over time, would you not agree that innovation has played a big part in those improvements?

Or would you say that although they had all improved, innovation had no part in that?

I would agree that Apple are fantastic at marketing, but I also think the expression you can't polish a turd probably applies.

With something like RAM, if the iphone performs on a par with other phones in real world use, then whilst it's headline spec may not look so good, I wouldn't be convinced it was lacking a premium feature.

With screen size it will be interesting to see how larger iPhones do. I'm not sure they will, but it would have been especially interesting to see the split would go if the released a 4" and 4.7" iPhone, both with the exact same spec, like they do now with the iPads.

With something like the Galaxy, if you want the flagship model with the best spec, by default you get the 5" screen by default. It tells us that people want the top of the line Samsung, but doesn't necessarily tell us that everyone who buys an S4/S5 buys one because they want a large screen.

Which isn't to say lots of people do, but if there were top end models of phones available with different screen sizes it would be interesting to how they did compared to one another.

[alanwarwic]

The S3 was close to 5" and only had a 720p screen.

The very fact that no large iPhone is available tells us that Apple wants people to follow, not choose. Yet even a 720p screen is an upgrade for Apple users.

[jchamier]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Very weird things are happening at Apple.
That's Sky, BBC, Now TV and now iTunes all having similarities.

Perhaps the Sky, NowTV and BBC apps used a shared library that was unacceptable to the OpenSSL Heartbleed vulnerability? All vendors pushed out an update for this just before Easter. The Apple TV version 1 is something else - and I suspect not many sold, as it was about the cost of a Mac Mini and almost a full computer.

[jchamier]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

The S3 was close to 5" and only had a 720p screen.

The very fact that no large iPhone is available tells us that Apple wants people to follow, not choose. Yet even a 720p screen is an upgrade for Apple users.

From here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ve...Standards5.svg

720p is 1280x720 which is 921,600 pixels.
iPhone 5 / 5s / 5c screen is 1136x640 which is 727,040 pixels.

Not many more pixels for a much larger screen on the S3, the S4 and S5 make much more sense with 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels.

But thats a LOT of battery power to power the screen and the graphics chip. Similar to tablet specs. No wonder you need a physically bigger unit to house a battery to get sensible battery life

[alan1302]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

The S3 was close to 5" and only had a 720p screen.

The very fact that no large iPhone is available tells us that Apple wants people to follow, not choose. Yet even a 720p screen is an upgrade for Apple users.

So if Apple start offering a larger screened iPhone as roumours hint - then Apple are having a massive change round and wanting people to choose rather than follow?

[swordman]

What they want and what they are forced to do in some areas are slightly different. The 5c has shown apple even their customers will only follow so far. The recent acknowledgment by apple that "customers want what we don't offer" is a an acceptance that not all costumers are content with old tech passed as new.

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

I can't help but wonder how many of those 500 million have this sort of non function future coming along soon.
http://news.techeye.net/business/app...nect-to-itunes
Is it Apple experimenting with a KO obsolescence switch?

It was very garden limited anyway so what gives?

Any update on this story Alan?

[alanwarwic]

Nope, but methinks lots of the recent downs are connected to that SSL security thing.

Likely they wont say but its almost certainly part of them all fixing the SSL insecurity in the devices and servers.
It makes sense to stay quiet, even if there is no service for a week+.

[calico_pie]

OK - so it hasn't been resolved yet then?

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

OK - so it hasn't been resolved yet then?

Yes Calico. You and I both know it's been resolved.
Stop asking a question when you know the answer.

It's obvious you're just asking him so you can prove him wrong. Don't be such a child.

(Incoming denial in 3... 2.... 1.....)

[alanwarwic]

A weeks downer.

And certainly a security thing akin to the BBC and Sky IOS apps downer too I bet.

[calico_pie]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

Yes Calico. You and I both know it's been resolved.
Stop asking a question when you know the answer.

It's obvious you're just asking him so you can prove him wrong. Don't be such a child.

(Incoming denial in 3... 2.... 1.....)

It wasn't to prove anyone wrong, it was to draw attention to the fact that some posters seem hellbent on constantly being selective about what they post about Apple, and how such posts really aren't out of a general interest.

If people are doing that as often as they are, then I'm not the bad guy for calling them on it.

[swordman]

Why do you feel the need to call anyone on these issues anyway

[calico_pie]

Who knows. An misplaced optimism that people will realise how transparent they are and maybe not do it so much?

[swordman]

Why does it bother you so much if they do regardless, odd

[grumpyoldbat]

I'm still waiting for my poem Swordy!

[swordman]

embarrassed now, not sure i'm ready to share my feelings