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Old 26-04-2014, 13:17
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Watching her last night gurning away at Nick while he declared his love for her it struck that she has never loved him but only ever used him. She has used him to distract herself, used him for his money and businesses, used him to make other suitors jealous, used him to help her out with Simon and finally used him as an emotional battering ram when there isn't any other person around prepared to take her nasty comments and moaning.

It's made me wonder if she is actually capable of love as without going through all her numerous affairs but just focusing on the Peter / Nick scenario, most say Peter was the love of her life but she even cheated on him I think the clear immorality at the heart of Leanne makes her incapable of love
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Old 26-04-2014, 13:36
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Watching her last night gurning away at Nick while he declared his love for her it struck that she has never loved him but only ever used him. She has used him to distract herself, used him for his money and businesses, used him to make other suitors jealous, used him to help her out with Simon and finally used him as an emotional battering ram when there isn't any other person around prepared to take her nasty comments and moaning.

It's made me wonder if she is actually capable of love as without going through all her numerous affairs but just focusing on the Peter / Nick scenario, most say Peter was the love of her life but she even cheated on him I think the clear immorality at the heart of Leanne makes her incapable of love

This argument is much more appropriate when directed towards someone like Peter Barlow dontyathink?
Nick was Leanne's first love, so of course she still loves him, just not in a romantic way anymore. He's more like a brother to her.
The reason she had an affair with him when she was with Peter was because Peter gave her such a hard time and Nick was playing on her emotions, reminding her of a younger, more carefree time in her life and she eventually gave in to his pressurising through weakness. Also her best friend at the time, one home wrecking old boiler by the name of Carla was setting her up to have an affair and even going to extraordinary lengths to keep pushing her and Nick together.
The affair was very short lived in the end and Leanne regretted it enormously.
Leanne loved Peter very much, she tolerated so much sh1t from him and was always there for him.
She is one of the characters who is the most capable of love in fact, being neither a sociopath or narcissist herself, she is not the same person she was as a younger woman. She has been burned and she knows what's at stake in matters of the heart so she doesn't do things lightly.
Leanne is possbly the only female on Corrie who represents a real woman and to say that she is immoral or 'cannot love' is ludicrous and not very astute, even for someone who barely watches corrie. Sorry but true.
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Old 26-04-2014, 13:36
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Shes built more for spite than love and I agree with you
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Old 26-04-2014, 13:55
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The way she's turned her back on Nick when he really needs her has not sat well with me. Yes, Nick has his occasional outbursts but it's not like he's completely changed personality since the crash. Whatever happened to 'til death do us part'?
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:05
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This argument is much more appropriate when directed towards someone like Peter Barlow dontyathink?
Nick was Leanne's first love, so of course she still loves him, just not in a romantic way anymore. He's more like a brother to her.
The reason she had an affair with him when she was with Peter was because Peter gave her such a hard time and Nick was playing on her emotions, reminding her of a younger, more carefree time in her life and she eventually gave in to his pressurising through weakness. Also her best friend at the time, one home wrecking old boiler by the name of Carla was setting her up to have an affair and even going to extraordinary lengths to keep pushing her and Nick together.
The affair was very short lived in the end and Leanne regretted it enormously.
Leanne loved Peter very much, she tolerated so much sh1t from him and was always there for him.
She is one of the characters who is the most capable of love in fact, being neither a sociopath or narcissist herself, she is not the same person she was as a younger woman. She has been burned and she knows what's at stake in matters of the heart so she doesn't do things lightly.
Leanne is possbly the only female on Corrie who represents a real woman and to say that she is immoral or 'cannot love' is ludicrous and not very astute, even for someone who barely watches corrie. Sorry but true.
Ignoring the personal and simply rude elements of your post I'll just stick to analysing Leanne. Leanne is immoral and the evidence for this is that she has stolen, cheated, lied, broken the law without barely a second thought and made mugs of just about everyone she has had a relationship with throughout her entire life. She is materially minded and selfish to the core. The only way I could consider something positive about Leanne is to say she is actually amoral and not immoral and therefore her awful behaviour and decisions are not her fault but she isn't, she is immoral.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:10
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The way she's turned her back on Nick when he really needs her has not sat well with me. Yes, Nick has his occasional outbursts but it's not like he's completely changed personality since the crash. Whatever happened to 'til death do us part'?
It was watching her last night, squirming when Nick told her his feelings and later when hugging and saying there is always a chance, when clearly there isn't because she was looking over his shoulder at Kal, I just thought she really has no redeeming qualities at all. I can only imagine that she's keeping her options open with Nick just in case the Kal thing falls through
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:11
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The way she's turned her back on Nick when he really needs her has not sat well with me. Yes, Nick has his occasional outbursts but it's not like he's completely changed personality since the crash. Whatever happened to 'til death do us part'?
*does double take* Say what??

He ended it because he hated that she'd become his carer not his lover, (not to mention he'd slapped her and poor adorable Curly Si had to be moved out of his reach before he attacked him too). She begged him not to go.

He never stopped loving her, but I'm betting he's not as 'cured' as he thinks he is after two jogs to the end of the street and back and a couple of 30 second sessions on the cross trainer. He's gonna get DARK again.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:13
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Watching her last night gurning away at Nick while he declared his love for her it struck that she has never loved him but only ever used him. She has used him to distract herself, used him for his money and businesses, used him to make other suitors jealous, used him to help her out with Simon and finally used him as an emotional battering ram when there isn't any other person around prepared to take her nasty comments and moaning.

It's made me wonder if she is actually capable of love as without going through all her numerous affairs but just focusing on the Peter / Nick scenario, most say Peter was the love of her life but she even cheated on him I think the clear immorality at the heart of Leanne makes her incapable of love
I had never looked at it from this angle but I have to say I agree with every word. She really is a vile character.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:26
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*does double take* Say what??

He ended it because he hated that she'd become his carer not his lover, (not to mention he'd slapped her and poor adorable Curly Si had to be moved out of his reach before he attacked him too). She begged him not to go.

He never stopped loving her, but I'm betting he's not as 'cured' as he thinks he is after two jogs to the end of the street and back and a couple of 30 second sessions on the cross trainer. He's gonna get DARK again.
It's not like he ended the marriage and demanded a divorce. He just moved out to allow Leanne some space while he got his head together. And she hardly put up much of a fight to keep the relationship together, did she? Within 5 minutes of her marriage being put on hold, she was making gooey eyes at Kal. Deep down, she was glad to be relieved of the Nick burden. She almost admitted as much.

Yes, he slapped her, once, but he does have brain damage! It's not like he was regularly abusing her. Nick is the real victim in all of this, not Leanne.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:34
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A sanctimonious hypocrite and the only person in any soap that I hate more than Ian Beale, Masood and that Vicious Brat.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:36
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Wow Mo! You hate Leanne more than Ian Beale? But he's such a pathetic worm!
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:40
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A sanctimonious hypocrite and the only person in any soap that I hate more than Ian Beale, Masood and that Vicious Brat.
No mention of Shirley 'gutter rat' Carter?!

I went through a major Leanne hating phase but she's grown on me again in the last few months. She's become far less sanctimonious.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:42
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It's not like he ended the marriage and demanded a divorce. He just moved out to allow Leanne some space while he got his head together. And she hardly put up much of a fight to keep the relationship together, did she? Within 5 minutes of her marriage being put on hold, she was making gooey eyes at Kal. Deep down, she was glad to be relieved of the Nick burden. She almost admitted as much.

Yes, he slapped her, once, but he does have brain damage! It's not like he was regularly abusing her. Nick is the real victim in all of this, not Leanne.
But.......but......... oh, never mind.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:44
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Ignoring the personal and simply rude elements of your post I'll just stick to analysing Leanne. Leanne is immoral and the evidence for this is that she has stolen, cheated, lied, broken the law without barely a second thought and made mugs of just about everyone she has had a relationship with throughout her entire life. She is materially minded and selfish to the core. The only way I could consider something positive about Leanne is to say she is actually amoral and not immoral and therefore her awful behaviour and decisions are not her fault but she isn't, she is immoral.
Personal and rude comments, WHERE EXACTLY? Never had you down as a sensitive little snowdrop before Trev so don't go having a fainting fit or anything lol
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:46
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Leannes first love is arguably the bottle and the gutter. Never happy unless she's playing the down and out underdog and making sure everyone knows what a martyr she is.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:47
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She's probably had enough of sharing husband with his mother. Gail seems to lust after Nick, it's really weird.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:50
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I wouldn't class sexy Carla as "an old boiler". As for Leanne I think she loves Nick but has not been in love with him for a long time. I think she should have just told him she's met someone else but soaps frustrate the viewer like this.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:51
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She's probably had enough of sharing husband with his mother. Gail seems to lust after Nick, it's really weird.
I guess some simply cannot resist men who constantly frown and furrow their brow, even if they gave birth to him.
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Old 26-04-2014, 14:51
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You make a good point OP i dont believe Leanne has ever loved Nick. Back in the 90s there may have been strong feelings there but it was a teenage romance that didnt last, they grew up and grew apart. In recent years she's merely settled for Nick there's never been any strong feelings for him. Her affair with him during her marriage to Peter was brief and she deeply regretted it, it came about during a rocky patch in her a Peter's relationship and was an escape from her problems - nothing to do with loving Nick. She only then got back with him in 2012 because she was on the rebound and didnt want to be alone and was sick of seeing Peter and Carla loved up. On their wedding day she even had Peter on her mind and tried to get back with him. Now barely a year into their second marriage and she's chasing after another bloke.
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Old 26-04-2014, 15:15
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I was never truly convinced with Leanne/Nick the second time round after the whole choosing Peter on her wedding day thing. She truly did love Peter and, despite how nasty everything got between them post-Carla affair, she still loved him and was willing to go back to him if he'd have actually meant what he said to her that Christmas Eve. Of course Peter, being the pathetic man that he is, backtracked when Carla showed up again but anyway...

I never believed Leanne loved Nick the way she did the first time round. The speed at which she got with him post-Peter coupled with what she said about choosing her head (Nick) over her heart (Peter) pretty much said it all. She had love for Nick, but it wasn't that special kind of romantic love she had for Peter. She just knew how much Nick loved her and knew that she wouldn't get burned with him like she had with Peter. There wasn't any passion or spark between them though. Even worse was the fact that Nick had resigned himself to accepting that Leanne would never love him like she loved Peter, but he was still desperate to be with her; pretty tragic really. IMO, the Leanne/Nick thing should've properly ended there and then because it was blatantly obvious that she didn't have that kind of love for Nick.

I do have to say though that the way she stuck by him during the crash/brain damage situation was admirable, but the smack her gave her at Christmas killed the relationship. It's been emphasised in interviews and on-screen that Nick's not the same man he was and that it's almost as if Leanne's married to a stranger etc. Nick called time on the marriage, but seems to think that Leanne should wait for him until he feels he's able to continue to pick up where he left off. Realistically though, that's not going to work. He can't keep breaking up with her when he goes into one of his rages, but then ask her to come back to him when he's calmed down. She was willing to stick by him, he said no and now she's developed feelings for someone else. Really, she should just come out and tell him about Kal, but I can understand her reluctance after Nick's desperate "I'm nothing without you" speech last night. It's a crappy situation and the more she tries not to hurt him, the more she will.
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Old 26-04-2014, 15:17
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Watching her last night gurning away at Nick while he declared his love for her it struck that she has never loved him but only ever used him. She has used him to distract herself, used him for his money and businesses, used him to make other suitors jealous, used him to help her out with Simon and finally used him as an emotional battering ram when there isn't any other person around prepared to take her nasty comments and moaning.

It's made me wonder if she is actually capable of love as without going through all her numerous affairs but just focusing on the Peter / Nick scenario, most say Peter was the love of her life but she even cheated on him I think the clear immorality at the heart of Leanne makes her incapable of love

Yes, about 15 years ago. But he persuaded her to have an abortion, and he left her to go to Canada with Maria.
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Old 26-04-2014, 15:20
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You make a good point OP i dont believe Leanne has ever loved Nick. Back in the 90s there may have been strong feelings there but it was a teenage romance that didnt last, they grew up and grew apart. In recent years she's merely settled for Nick there's never been any strong feelings for him. Her affair with him during her marriage to Peter was brief and she deeply regretted it, it came about during a rocky patch in her a Peter's relationship and was an escape from her problems - nothing to do with loving Nick. She only then got back with him in 2012 because she was on the rebound and didnt want to be alone and was sick of seeing Peter and Carla loved up. On their wedding day she even had Peter on her mind and tried to get back with him. Now barely a year into their second marriage and she's chasing after another bloke.
Well put. Nick's problems since his brain damage have highlighted that she never loved him. She's simply used it to her advantage to distance herself from him. I know he wanted to be on his own but that was because of guilt at his behaviour. If Leanne had loved him she'd have stuck by him albeit from a different residence for a while but she has used this time to get close to Kal. Some have said she had only had an affair with Nick whilst with Peter because of Peter's behaviour. So she loved someone but couldn't stop playing away and now she clearly doesn't love Nick so presumably it's fair game to play away. It seems to me her stock position is to have an affair

I just wanted to add that if Leanne came clean and told Nick it was over, even if she didn't mention Kal but that her and Nick were through and not build his hopes up by saying there is a chance, I'd at least have some respect for her but the way she has handled this is disgusting quite frankly and is the icing on the cake so to speak as to why I see her as immoral.
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Old 26-04-2014, 15:22
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It's not like he ended the marriage and demanded a divorce. He just moved out to allow Leanne some space while he got his head together. And she hardly put up much of a fight to keep the relationship together, did she? Within 5 minutes of her marriage being put on hold, she was making gooey eyes at Kal. Deep down, she was glad to be relieved of the Nick burden. She almost admitted as much.

Yes, he slapped her, once, but he does have brain damage! It's not like he was regularly abusing her. Nick is the real victim in all of this, not Leanne.
totally agree, if she had ever loved Nick she would not be sniffing around Kal....

I take it Leanne will expect to keep the flat and probably take over the business after all she has devoted her life to nick, its the very least she deserves

although fast forward six months and she'll be a fitness guro running Kals gym
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Old 26-04-2014, 15:23
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Yes, about 15 years ago. But he persuaded her to have an abortion, and he left her to go to Canada with Maria.
You'd think she'd have known better than to marry him this time round then or are you saying she is punishing him for that. That would be an interesting dynamic.
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Old 26-04-2014, 15:24
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Wow Mo! You hate Leanne more than Ian Beale? But he's such a pathetic worm!
That's Leanne for you. To be serious, I don't mean it in a pantomime, jokey way - I honestly don't see anything in her that anyone could like, I honestly don't.
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