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Sony z2 v HTC one M8
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allie4
06-05-2014
OK, I'm still thinking about leaving my long time love affair with iPhone to get a good Android. I fell in love with the Sony Z2 but have since held that and the HTC one M8 in my hand and have to say that the M8 beat Sony for comfort and ease of use.
I also like the sound of Blinkfeed BUT the camera seems crap compared to the Sony one. (4 megapixels v 20 or realistically 8).. and I love taking snaps of my animals and posting on Facebook.
Is there anyone out there who can give me any tips on which they prefer and why?
I like the look of the Sony best but with an old hand like mine, the feel of the HTC is better.... but also it isn't WATERPROOF!!!!
Knotty problem......
Thanks in advance!
Mark in Essex
06-05-2014
I don't always believe in the number of mega pixels in the camera (especially ones in mobile phones with just plastic lenses). I think it's more of a gimmick packing in a silly number of mega pixels and can sometimes do more harm than good as there is more interference between the pixels (especially in low light).

I believe that the HTC has the same size camera sensor (or even bigger) than some other phones on cameras so it should be a lot better in low light.

I don't use Facebook, but I believe that the photo size on there is only fairly small so 4mp should be more than enough for that (only really useful when you are blowing a photo up past the size of a piece of 15" screen).

Here are some sample phones from the HTC on a web site here (there's even some cat photos on there ): http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pho...35307/review/7

I was very tempted by the HTC M8, but eventually went for the Galaxy S5.

It is a very nice phone and the main things that tempted me was the front speakers, design and just a change from Samsung.
Mark in Essex
06-05-2014
Here is also some more about the camera on the M8 here: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pho...35307/review/6
allie4
06-05-2014
Originally Posted by Mark in Essex:
“I don't always believe in the number of mega pixels in the camera (especially ones in mobile phones with just plastic lenses). I think it's more of a gimmick packing in a silly number of mega pixels and can sometimes do more harm than good as there is more interference between the pixels (especially in low light).

I believe that the HTC has the same size camera sensor (or even bigger) than some other phones on cameras so it should be a lot better in low light.

I don't use Facebook, but I believe that the photo size on there is only fairly small so 4mp should be more than enough for that (only really useful when you are blowing a photo up past the size of a piece of 15" screen).

Here are some sample phones from the HTC on a web site here (there's even some cat photos on there ): http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pho...35307/review/7

I was very tempted by the HTC M8, but eventually went for the Galaxy S5.

It is a very nice phone and the main things that tempted me was the front speakers, design and just a change from Samsung.”

Hey, Mark - thanks again for your good advice!
Galaxy looks really good but I'm confused enough now, let alone introducing a 3rd option!
Photos are really important to me though I agree about pixels not being that important. But I use my phone as a constant camera - never been good at having a camera with me!
And the photos on your link are ok but nothing special. You can get a 3D effect on the HTC but after a few times I wouldn't use it!
The HTC feels really good to hold - it's almost an impossible decision. Both have pros and cons.
AxeVictim
06-05-2014
http://versus.com/en/sony-xperia-z2-vs-htc-m8

I had the M7 brilliant phone but the m8 dissapoints , worse camera no OIS like the M7.Bigger screen (too long IMO) but really the same size as the M7 because the capacitive buttons are now on screen.The 2 things it has going for it are the looks and sd card slot.
swordman
06-05-2014
Originally Posted by allie4:
“Hey, Mark - thanks again for your good advice!
Galaxy looks really good but I'm confused enough now, let alone introducing a 3rd option!
Photos are really important to me though I agree about pixels not being that important. But I use my phone as a constant camera - never been good at having a camera with me!
And the photos on your link are ok but nothing special. You can get a 3D effect on the HTC but after a few times I wouldn't use it!
The HTC feels really good to hold - it's almost an impossible decision. Both have pros and cons.”

If photos are important the z2 should be your choice frankly.
allie4
06-05-2014
Originally Posted by swordman:
“If photos are important the z2 should be your choice frankly.”

I'm thinking that - but the M8 has some terrific features and as I'm getting quite old, it's easier to hold in my hand which is a plus!
Blue slippers
06-05-2014
Upgraded to an m8 a couple of weeks ago from my Samsung Galaxy S3 and I'm delighted with it.

User interface is great, I use BlinkFeed a lot more than I thought I would and phone just feels lovely to hold (I case it when I'm out and about as HTC supply a decent gel case in the box).

I've only played about with the camera so far but it seems decent enough to me and I intend to put in a 32g micro sd before my summer holiday to Italy and give it good hammering. That said , the camera on the z2 is clearly superior so if you're keen on your photography it should be considered.

Like you I was torn between the Sony and HTC, but having now seen the Sony in the 'flesh' I've no regrets at all.

Very few android phones rival the tactile feel of Apple phones but this one truly does and if you value design (which I do) it's just a lovely feeling bit of kit.

One of the attractions of the Z2 for me was the noise cancelling headphones but I have to say that the ones packed in with the M8 are decent and BoomSound really does give great sound through the speakers.

Whichever you go for I'm sure you'll be happy and I hope you enjoy but imho the HTC is the way to go!
allie4
06-05-2014
Originally Posted by Blue slippers:
“Upgraded to an m8 a couple of weeks ago from my Samsung Galaxy S3 and I'm delighted with it.

User interface is great, I use BlinkFeed a lot more than I thought I would and phone just feels lovely to hold (I case it when I'm out and about as HTC supply a decent gel case in the box).

I've only played about with the camera so far but it seems decent enough to me and I intend to put in a 32g micro sd before my summer holiday to Italy and give it good hammering. That said , the camera on the z2 is clearly superior so if you're keen on your photography it should be considered.

Like you I was torn between the Sony and HTC, but having now seen the Sony in the 'flesh' I've no regrets at all.

Very few android phones rival the tactile feel of Apple phones but this one truly does and if you value design (which I do) it's just a lovely feeling bit of kit.

One of the attractions of the Z2 for me was the noise cancelling headphones but I have to say that the ones packed in with the M8 are decent and BoomSound really does give great sound through the speakers.

Whichever you go for I'm sure you'll be happy and I hope you enjoy but imho the HTC is the way to go!”

Thanks, Blue Slippers (lovely name!!) I'm wavering between the 2. One minute thinking I'm no photographer so it doesn't matter about the HTC's camera and then thinking Yes it IS important to me! (I currently have an iPhone 5 which at least has a decent camera)
Not sure the pixels matter that much but I think I might find the photos a little disappointing.
BUT I totally agree about the feel of the HTC. It really does sit nicely in the hand whereas the Z2 feels too chunky. Wondering how the M8 would feel with a case on though?
Thanks for your input!
swordman
07-05-2014
Stop flip flipping and buy something

Having read both reviews just now I think I would be more tempted with the z2 I think.

I feel however you want to be convinced into getting the m8
GeordiePaul
07-05-2014
Go for the z2. I had the original one and it was quite nice but the camera isn't even as good as my nexus 5 (which gets panned, albeit unfairly imo) , and I prefer sonys less obtrusive UI additions. I'm no photographer either but you will notice the difference.
allie4
08-05-2014
Originally Posted by GeordiePaul:
“Go for the z2. I had the original one and it was quite nice but the camera isn't even as good as my nexus 5 (which gets panned, albeit unfairly imo) , and I prefer sonys less obtrusive UI additions. I'm no photographer either but you will notice the difference.”

Thanks, GeordiePaul! Think you're dead right there!
I will stop flipping about one day but leaving iOS after so many years is a huge leap. I'm worried I'll hate android if I can't do stuff easily.
swordman
08-05-2014
It is absolute nonsense for anyone to claim you won't be able to do stuff easily on android. Any new OS will have some learning curve obviously, but this curve will be very shallow and after an hour or so of play you will be fine.

You may even find yourself liking the freedom in provides you never know.
Justabloke
08-05-2014
There is one major difference between an M8 and Z2 that should definitely be of interest to you, given your focus on the cameras of both phones. The Z2 has a dedicated camera button... long press and bang! you're taking pictures.

Its also worth nothing Sony make cameras and a lot of their camera expertise is contained in their phones.

I have a Z1 and the camera performance is excellent.

lastly, all mobile phones suffer in low light simply because they have tiny little lenses, if there's not much light about, then a tiny little lense is going to struggle gather a good amount of light.
jonmorris
08-05-2014
I've just got a Z2, at long bloody last, and already I can see that I'll be using this more than my M8.

Why?

Well, the M8 is nicely protected in the dot view cover (but this is quite cumbersome and the novelty of the retro display soon wears off) but outside of the case, the phone feels vulnerable.

Wait, what? The Z2 with glass and the M8 with metal? Yes, I'm serious. I feel like the M8 will dent or scratch far too easily (I have the gun metal grey model) whereas the Z2 has both front and rear protectors applied and feels better in the hand. Obviously my opinion but if you have both side by side, you may agree with me.

Then there's the camera. Having quickly realised that it's quite hard to ever use the unfocus feature to get a good result (as in you have to make sure that there's nothing on a similar 'plane' that doesn't remain in focus when you use it), I disregarded that as a gimmick. What I do like is the immensely quick AF, but there's no camera button and the image quality for anything but close up portraits ends up disappointing simply due to the lack of pixels.

Frankly, I'd have sooner had two image sensors - one Ultra Pixel for awesome close ups at night, and a 'normal' 13-20MP camera for outdoor photos, perhaps producing 5-8MP images and giving the ability to have a lossless zoom. Rather like the Lumia 1020 and indeed the Z2, albeit only for a very short distance.

I know you can use a gesture/flip to open up the camera on the M8, but it's not as good as a dedicated button.

Oh, and the M8 isn't water proof. That's quite a thing once you've been used to it on the Z, Z1 and Z1 Compact. Like an incredibly wet weekend in Cornwall, taking photos of flowers and trees at a huge garden. Nobody else was taking photos with their cameras, but I was. Some of the colours of a garden in bloom, during the rain, are quite incredible.

But it's not just using the camera, but using the phone in the wet and not worrying about it in the slightest. It's also nice to be able to 'wash' the phone to clean it up occasionally.

I can see why Samsung realised it needed to add water resistance to the GS5 and I think HTC might have to consider its options too. Once thought of as a crazy gimmick popular only in Japan appears to be spreading.

Battery life: So far the M8 is excellent. Can't fault it for that, but I am seeing good signs on the Z2 too. From getting it set up last night, I was down to 19% and figured it would die any second, but that 19% equated to 11 hours according to the phone. In reality, it was down to 10% by the time I went to bed at 2am - and my battery widget claims it loses 1% of battery for every 19 minutes. The M8? 18 mins.

That's going to be a close call I reckon.

Speakers: No doubt about it, the M8 wins here, but the Z2 has for the first time got close. There's not as much kick on the Z2 front-facing speakers, although I'm yet to fully experiment with the audio settings. I'd say that the M8 will still win this, but the Z2 is surely the nearest competitor. The Z2 also has the noise cancelling technology and support for other accessories, like stereo microphones, which might be of interest to people recording a lot of video. [I've not tried 4K video yet, as it seems to cause all sorts of heat related problems, which can even lead to warping of the casing - a major issue that I feel compelled to mention here until such time Sony fixes the issue].

Finally, performance: Another close match given the same SoC, although the Z2 has 1GB extra RAM (which to be honest I doubt is necessary, but gives Sony something to shout about). I'm yet to do any benchmark tests on the Z2, but obviously other people have already done this so the figures are pretty similar. HTC offers a developer menu option to run at max clock speed all the time, while the Sony doesn't - but does let you restrict the CPU to further save battery in the Stamina menu.

Anyway, I guess it's not for me to write a full comparison review on here (it's early days for me with the Z2) but these are my thoughts as to why I'd side with the Z2.

And this is a comparison between the M8 and Z2, so I am not mentioning the Galaxy S5 now.
allie4
08-05-2014
Thanks, jonmorris, for that extremely comprehensive review of both phones - though I appreciate that you haven't had the Z2 for long!
I love a lot about the M8 but think the Z2 offers more of what I want. It's so difficult to call because we each of us have our priorities and very personal likes and dislikes.
But your post is helpful!

And swordman, I will stop faffing around eventually. So many people my age prefer the simplicity and ease of ios but I've been going cold on the iPhone since the 4s when nothing seems to change enough and I can see Android is light years ahead of apple atm. I guess I'm just over-analytical but it's such an expensive business, I'd like to get it right!
swordman
08-05-2014
Whilst I would go with the z2 you won't in reality be upset with either phone to be honest. I have not used the m8 to take pictures etc but have seen some and they are fine for a mobile phone.

I think your perception of how android works is some of your fear, trust me you won't have any issue at all. Do you know someone with an android you could try for a bit?

I bought my kid a 5s recently as his perception was the opposite of yours in that ios must/would offer the same functionality as his android plus he wanted an iphone. He now comes to me every day almost asking why he can't do this or that and is forever moaning about battery life. I can see day by day his face is full of the realisation that he has made a mistake, although he can't as yet bring himself to admit it
jonmorris
08-05-2014
It's true that the M8 is still a brilliant phone - especially in the audio department, and with a gorgeous screen. My reasons for preferring the Z2 doesn't instantly render the M8 as useless.

One other thing I forgot to mention in the favour of the Z2 is the magnetic charging port. While wireless charging would be nice, this is the next best thing. It means the phone can easily be put on charge whenever I put it 'down' by placing it in the dock (or buying just the cable to put on the side).

It doesn't charge quite as quick, but it's still incredibly convenient as it can now be charging all the time rather than only when I put in the charging lead - and I don't have to remove the USB cover (Something Galaxy S5 users have to).
swordman
08-05-2014
Yes the magnetic port is very good have to agree, would be a right pain having to open the flap continually, only downside with waterproofing.

Out of curiousity do you have the official sony dock? if not any docks that work ok for you.
Justabloke
08-05-2014
Originally Posted by swordman:
“Yes the magnetic port is very good have to agree, would be a right pain having to open the flap continually, only downside with waterproofing.

Out of curiousity do you have the official sony dock? if not any docks that work ok for you.”

I had a z1 compact for a little while and bought an official sony dock for that but the z1 I've got a non official one and side by side there is no difference and they both work exactly the same way. It was much cheaper too so I have two, one for home one for my desk at work.
swordman
08-05-2014
Good heard a few stories so may take a punt on one.
Justabloke
08-05-2014
Originally Posted by swordman:
“Good heard a few stories so may take a punt on one.”

I have one of these ->
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patuoxun-Mag...xperia+z1+dock

This is the sony one ->
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-DK32-Co...xperia+z1+dock

No lead with it, which isn't the end of the world but considering the price a bit of a shocker - see if you can spot the major difference

I've also got one of these ->
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patuoxun%C2%...xperia+z1+dock

which I think is even better than the Sony dock
swordman
08-05-2014
cheers I shall sort one out I think
jonmorris
08-05-2014
I have two docks. DK31 (which has a USB cable that's fixed inside the unit, and not very long) and the DK36 which is the same but with a normal USB port on the back, so you can use any cable.

I also have two very cheap cables I ordered from China which have the magnetic connector, and http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patuoxun%C2%...CBT75GAHY77R1V which converts any USB cable - although it's not as magnetic as the others.

The Z2 fits in the DK31 dock as well, while my Z1 Compact fits in the DK31 if you use the wider insert.

I do wish Sony would stop making so many docks. Just build one unit and then provide the compatibility through the inserts!
allie4
08-05-2014
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“It's true that the M8 is still a brilliant phone - especially in the audio department, and with a gorgeous screen. My reasons for preferring the Z2 doesn't instantly render the M8 as useless.

One other thing I forgot to mention in the favour of the Z2 is the magnetic charging port. While wireless charging would be nice, this is the next best thing. It means the phone can easily be put on charge whenever I put it 'down' by placing it in the dock (or buying just the cable to put on the side).

It doesn't charge quite as quick, but it's still incredibly convenient as it can now be charging all the time rather than only when I put in the charging lead - and I don't have to remove the USB cover (Something Galaxy S5 users have to).”

Yes, that usb cover was bothering me - hate lifting flaps in case I break them!
Will def order a dock!

Originally Posted by swordman:
“Yes the magnetic port is very good have to agree, would be a right pain having to open the flap continually, only downside with waterproofing.

Out of curiousity do you have the official sony dock? if not any docks that work ok for you.”

Thanks for asking that - you guys are SO good at techie stuff!!!


Originally Posted by Justabloke:
“I have one of these ->
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patuoxun-Mag...xperia+z1+dock

This is the sony one ->
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-DK32-Co...xperia+z1+dock

No lead with it, which isn't the end of the world but considering the price a bit of a shocker - see if you can spot the major difference

I've also got one of these ->
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patuoxun%C2%...xperia+z1+dock

which I think is even better than the Sony dock”

So, er, which one would you recommend?

Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“I have two docks. DK31 (which has a USB cable that's fixed inside the unit, and not very long) and the DK36 which is the same but with a normal USB port on the back, so you can use any cable.

I also have two very cheap cables I ordered from China which have the magnetic connector, and http://www.amazon.co.uk/Patuoxun%C2%...CBT75GAHY77R1V which converts any USB cable - although it's not as magnetic as the others.

The Z2 fits in the DK31 dock as well, while my Z1 Compact fits in the DK31 if you use the wider insert.

I do wish Sony would stop making so many docks. Just build one unit and then provide the compatibility through the inserts!”

Quite!

You have all been very patient with me! Thanks so much... I'm trying to steel myself to go to O2 tomorrow..... hope I won't have to come on here to ask millions of 'how to' questions!
Is it swordman whose son is disappointed with the 5s? Tell him he'll get used to it and if he goes to an Apple store and just talks to one of the staff there, they're very good at showing you how to get the best from the phone.
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