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Keyser_Soze1
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by ChrisHay:
“Maybe we will be able to recreate dinosaurs from their dead flesh. These stories are kept suspiciously quiet, maybe because they totally undermine & contradict current scientific theories.


http://phys.org/news/2013-04-scienti...in-fossil.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ino-mummy.html

http://creation.com/fresh-dinosaur-bones-found

In 1961 a petroleum geologist discovered a large, half-metre-thick bone bed. As the bones were fresh, not permineralized, he assumed that these were recent bison bones. It took 20 years for scientists to recognize duckbill dinosaur bones in this deposit as well as the bones of horned dinosaurs, and large and small carnivorous dinosaurs.

It took science 20 years to tell the difference between bison & dinosaur bones. I see no reason to have faith in all current scientific assumptions.

"How these bones could have remained in fresh condition for 70 million years is a perplexing question.
Geologists claim that these forest remains are about 45 million years old. Nevertheless, the wood and leaf debris are astonishingly well preserved. The plant material is not petrified. The logs are still wood which can be sawn and burnt. The leaf debris and cones include some specimens recognizable as dawn redwood....

The obvious conclusion is that these bones were deposited in relatively recent times. This bone bed is stunning evidence that the time of the dinosaurs was not millions of years ago, but perhaps only thousands. It is time geologists recognized the implications of their own data."

Science examines the evidence, tests/disproves theories.
Why are these discoveries being ignored? Is it because they do not fit in with current theory?

There are many stories from many parts of the world, that we are taught now to ridicule. Is it time to accept that dragons are in fact dinosaurs and man & beast were around at the same time?

No I am not a creationist, in the traditional sense - despite the link to creation.com”

Total and utter bollocks.

Try reading up on a topic before infecting it with creationism.

Science is so much more interesting than fairytales.
Asmo
17-06-2014
Seen the story about a tagged great white being 'eaten' whole?

http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/09/myster...whole-4755200/

'Course, saying it could just have been the tag that was 'eaten' spoils the fun. Megalodon is wanted for questioning in connection with this case.
zackai48
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“Total and utter bollocks.

Try reading up on a topic before infecting it with creationism.

Science is so much more interesting than fairytales. ”

In this case, it is science that is telling fairytales. Evolution is the biggest hoax being perpentrated on humankind.
AllyourKitty
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by zackai48:
“Evolution is the biggest hoax being perpentrated on humankind.”

No it isn't it, it just seems that way from Cornwall.
Keyser_Soze1
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by zackai48:
“In this case, it is science that is telling fairytales. Evolution is the biggest hoax being perpentrated on humankind.”

It must be very hard writing in green crayon from that padded cell but well done for trying.
anne_666
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by ChrisHay:
“Maybe we will be able to recreate dinosaurs from their dead flesh. These stories are kept suspiciously quiet, maybe because they totally undermine & contradict current scientific theories.


http://phys.org/news/2013-04-scienti...in-fossil.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ino-mummy.html

http://creation.com/fresh-dinosaur-bones-found

In 1961 a petroleum geologist discovered a large, half-metre-thick bone bed. As the bones were fresh, not permineralized, he assumed that these were recent bison bones. It took 20 years for scientists to recognize duckbill dinosaur bones in this deposit as well as the bones of horned dinosaurs, and large and small carnivorous dinosaurs.

It took science 20 years to tell the difference between bison & dinosaur bones. I see no reason to have faith in all current scientific assumptions.

"How these bones could have remained in fresh condition for 70 million years is a perplexing question.
Geologists claim that these forest remains are about 45 million years old. Nevertheless, the wood and leaf debris are astonishingly well preserved. The plant material is not petrified. The logs are still wood which can be sawn and burnt. The leaf debris and cones include some specimens recognizable as dawn redwood....

The obvious conclusion is that these bones were deposited in relatively recent times. This bone bed is stunning evidence that the time of the dinosaurs was not millions of years ago, but perhaps only thousands. It is time geologists recognized the implications of their own data."

Science examines the evidence, tests/disproves theories.
Why are these discoveries being ignored? Is it because they do not fit in with current theory?

There are many stories from many parts of the world, that we are taught now to ridicule. Is it time to accept that dragons are in fact dinosaurs and man & beast were around at the same time?

No I am not a creationist, in the traditional sense - despite the link to creation.com”

Originally Posted by zackai48:
“In this case, it is science that is telling fairytales. Evolution is the biggest hoax being perpentrated on humankind.”

Why not get together and start your own thread on that topic and stop goading and derailing this one.
Keyser_Soze1
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Why not get together and start your own thread on that topic and stop goading and derailing this one.”

Let them make total fools of themselves Ann, at least it is good for a laugh!
ChrisHay
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“Total and utter bollocks.

Try reading up on a topic before infecting it with creationism.

Science is so much more interesting than fairytales. ”

Scientists dug up these bones etc and are unable to explain why they are
not like normal fossils.
Not sure why you think that is bollocks.
The Martian
17-06-2014
I like pterodactyls.
Keyser_Soze1
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by ChrisHay:
“Scientists dug up these bones etc and are unable to explain why they are
not like normal fossils.
Not sure why you think that is bollocks.”

No they didn't.

It is creationist cobblers.

Where are all the scientific papers on such an astonishing discovery?

Try reading the first two links you posted properly, then ignore the bullshit creationist spin on them.

I was thinking of posting articles on the world's best preserved fossil dinosaur 'Leonardo' on here.

I will now when I have the time just to show what real science can achieve.
Keyser_Soze1
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by The Martian:
“I like pterodactyls. ”

I you read right through the thread I have posted links on the best websites on the Pterosaurs and also some very good articles one these incredible creatures.

When I have more time I will repost them for you but they are on here somewhere.
Asmo
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by ChrisHay:
“Maybe we will be able to recreate dinosaurs from their dead flesh. These stories are kept suspiciously quiet, maybe because they totally undermine & contradict current scientific theories.”

No, they're not 'suppressed' at all - they're only characterised as 'fresh' finds by creationists. They wouldn't have it any other way after all.

http://www.ex-christian.net/blog/189.../#.U6Cglk37qrw

Quote:
“This next thing I did was to look up William A. Clemens, who is the scientist the Answers in Genesis articles lists as researching the bones. I quickly came across this article:
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-08-..._arctic-circle
This LA Times article says that this find is being used to counter the argument that the dinosaurs died quickly do to a meteor hitting the earth. The debate seems to indicate that all scientists agree that the creatures that these bones belong to died 65 million to 70 million years ago. In fact Clemens states in this article, " ... the bones found this summer were not surprising, the size of the find was ..."”

The Martian
17-06-2014
Originally Posted by zackai48:
“In this case, it is science that is telling fairytales. Evolution is the biggest hoax being perpentrated on humankind.”

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/phot...40-610-488.jpg
Keyser_Soze1
17-06-2014
For all the creationists on here I give you the incredible 'Leonardo' (a juvenile specimen of Brachylophosaurus canadensis) a Hadrosaur ('duck billed-dinosaur') and one the best preserved fossils in the world.

And sorry even such an incredible find does not mean that the world is bloody six-thousand years old.

Read the articles, and there are many many more on the web.

http://www.dinosaurmummy.org/

http://www.montanadinosaurdigs.com/d...ries-leonardo/

http://www.livescience.com/2882-dino...ills-guts.html

http://scienceblogs.com/laelaps/2008...veiled-this-s/

http://www.imcpl.org/kids/blog/?p=18488

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachylophosaurus
Keyser_Soze1
19-06-2014
A few nice recent articles.

http://dinogoss.blogspot.co.uk/2014/...goss+(DinoGoss)

http://www.wday.com/video/3620366865001

https://www.cmnh.org/announcements/M...eratops-gemini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKsT...lz3vww242AuZUs

http://www.theguardian.com/science/l...urs-all-at-sea
BeethovensPiano
19-06-2014
What are the best websites for news of new discoveries/research in Palaeontology?
Keyser_Soze1
19-06-2014
Originally Posted by BeethovensPiano:
“What are the best websites for news of new discoveries/research in Palaeontology?”

I have posted several before on here.

There are so many it is very hard to choose the best.

But just to get you started Laelaps is a very nice little blog on the National Geographic.

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/blog/laelaps/

The Archives of the Dinosaur Mailing List can be very heavy going (many famous palaeontologists post there) but it often has some very nice links to the latest news stories.

http://dml.cmnh.org/

The best way to find out what sites best suit you is to simply type in dinosaur (or palaeontology) and then the news button.

Every day there will be many new stories to read on whatever really interests you.
Keyser_Soze1
19-06-2014
Originally Posted by BeethovensPiano:
“What are the best websites for news of new discoveries/research in Palaeontology?”

This blog has many of the best links.

Just scroll down and read them all on the right hand margin of the page.

http://chasmosaurs.blogspot.co.uk/
Keyser_Soze1
22-06-2014
A couple of really beautiful and accurate reconstructions of Tyrannosaurus rex.

I love the very subtle feathers on these, apparently the rex is part of a new computer game called 'The Stomping Land', some of the other dinosaurs on the project are fantastic as well and I will post some more of them in future.

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/20...3d-d7eyfny.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/20...3d-d7eyfbd.jpg
Never Nude
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by The Martian:
“http://images5.fanpop.com/image/phot...40-610-488.jpg”

I was just thinking to myself what a shame such a lovely thread has been derailed by creationist bollocks, then I see this

Keyser_Soze1
22-06-2014
Originally Posted by Never Nude:
“I was just thinking to myself what a shame such a lovely thread has been derailed by creationist bollocks, then I see this

”

It's great isn't it!
Keyser_Soze1
24-06-2014
Here is the remarkable Permian 'whorl-tooth' shark Helicoprion.

For many decades it was a total mystery how this huge animal (at around 7.5 metres) used it's incredible dentition, but at last the mystery was solved in 2013.

I just love scientific detective stories that reveal the truth after so very long.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...ke-d5ykk3e.jpg

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic....reaky-ratfish/

http://www.trollart.com/trollart_top...how/index.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/21589719

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress....toothed-shark/

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...jaw-explained/
barbeler
24-06-2014
Originally Posted by zackai48:
“In this case, it is science that is telling fairytales. Evolution is the biggest hoax being perpentrated on humankind.”

I worry about these people, I really do
jzee
24-06-2014
Originally Posted by Keyser_Soze1:
“Here is the remarkable Permian 'whorl-tooth' shark Helicoprion.

For many decades it was a total mystery how this huge animal (at around 7.5 metres) used it's incredible dentition, but at last the mystery was solved in 2013.

I just love scientific detective stories that reveal the truth after so very long.

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/i/20...ke-d5ykk3e.jpg

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic....reaky-ratfish/

http://www.trollart.com/trollart_top...how/index.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/21589719

http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress....toothed-shark/

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...jaw-explained/”

Interesting thanks keyser, never considered a creature that could only have one side of dentures .
Keyser_Soze1
24-06-2014
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Interesting thanks keyser, never considered a creature that could only have one side of dentures .”

Edestus giganteus - the scissor-toothed shark was another remarkable and frightening prehistoric killer (actually related to Helicoprion) with more unique and fearsome dentition that was around the size of a large Great White shark - 6 metres or so.

Here are some nice reconstructions and then a couple of articles.

http://www.thefossilforum.com/upload...1197736207.jpg

http://www.thefossilforum.com/upload...1197736177.jpg

https://s3.amazonaws.com/bw-1651cf0d...ay_2251104.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RiOlEm_6EU...00/edestus.jpg

http://www.prehistoric-wildlife.com/...e/edestus.html

http://webapp2.wright.edu/web1/commu...11/shark-tale/
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