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Old 17-05-2014, 12:46
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I just ran a little experiment on this.

I switched off iMessage on my iPhone and iPad (switched it off on my iPad so it wouldn't just deliver a message there) then almost instantly - about five seconds later - sent a message to me from my wife's iPhone.

It 'sent' as an iMessage but didn't come up with the 'delivered' notification. Then, a few minutes later after it wasn't able to be delivered, it sent the message as an SMS. Subsequent messages went as SMS automatically.

I'm not saying it always works like this for everyone, but this is how it's supposed to work. I think sometimes problems can arise if iMessage is switched off on the phone but there's another device still active that can receive them (like an iPad or Mac). Or, if the sender doesn't have 'send as SMS' enabled for fallback when iMessages can't be delivered. Although, if that's the case, they should get the notification that the message wasn't delivered.
Actually your post was really useful.
I have been having issues generally with iMessage not working properly and couldn't work it out.
then after reading your post I suddenly remembered I have it activated on my iPad.
Turned it off on both devices, turned it back on and waddaya know? It now works again.
Slight "Duh" moment there from me as I'm supposed to know about this stuff!

I wonder if the issues are being caused by for example, someone changing to an Android phone but keeping their iPad and forgetting to unlink the old number from the tablet?
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Old 17-05-2014, 13:05
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It really shouldn't be this complicated though.

It'd be much better if it was similar to google hangouts or something.
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Old 18-05-2014, 16:46
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My friend was at my house last night and every text she sends to me was going as imessage

I deactivated on my handset before I sold it, removed it from the support profile, she's deleted her contacts and typed them back in

I've not had an iphone since March, and she still can't text me
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Old 18-05-2014, 18:32
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I wonder if the issues are being caused by for example, someone changing to an Android phone but keeping their iPad and forgetting to unlink the old number from the tablet?
I was wondering this, many of the US reports are people with Mac computers as well and iMessage works on iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, iPad Mini, and Mac. All would need to be turned off and back on after removing the phone number from the iMessage account.

I can't see the Support Profile having any effect.
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Old 19-05-2014, 09:13
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How strange a manufacturer is allowed wield so much power in so many ways over a device you own or even chose not to own.
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Old 19-05-2014, 12:33
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Ahh!!

Now i know what caused this issue with me! I had this issue when i sold my 4S a few years ago. Got so annoying, i had to change my number.
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Old 19-05-2014, 12:42
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LOL, even I half think you might have made that up.

Yet I do recall past talk of lost SMS messages on competing devices, most blaming either the new device or the network for the fault.
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Old 19-05-2014, 13:09
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My friend was at my house last night and every text she sends to me was going as imessage

I deactivated on my handset before I sold it, removed it from the support profile, she's deleted her contacts and typed them back in

I've not had an iphone since March, and she still can't text me
Try clicking on the undelivered iMessages and selecting "send as text message". From my experience, it'll learn to start sending them as text messages automatically.
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Old 22-05-2014, 13:41
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Try clicking on the undelivered iMessages and selecting "send as text message". From my experience, it'll learn to start sending them as text messages automatically.
Thank you will give this a try

She does have send as sms set to On under imessage settings, but will try this suggestion too

Thanks
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Old 22-05-2014, 14:31
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"Apple acknowledges iMessage flaw, promises fix"

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-acknowled...ix-7000029773/

Translates to 'fair cop, gov'.
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Old 22-05-2014, 14:49
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"Apple acknowledges iMessage flaw, promises fix"

http://www.zdnet.com/apple-acknowled...ix-7000029773/

Translates to 'fair cop, gov'.
Not exactly, since it states that the problem exists for people who don't disable iMessage and still have a phone number linked to an Apple ID. This problem is a fairly obvious consequence in those circumstances.

Anyway, if they make it more idiot-proof, so much the better.
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Old 22-05-2014, 15:01
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http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...php?p=64063556

And as I already pointed out, even negatives about iMessage get deleted on Wikipedia so it is made far likely you are on your own until we get to that 'fair cop gov' day.
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Old 22-05-2014, 15:08
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http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...php?p=64063556

And as I already pointed out, even negatives about iMessage get deleted on Wikipedia so it is made far likely you are on your own until we get to that 'fair cop gov' day.
Not sure why you linked to that thread, since the OP said disabling iMessage fixed the issue.
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Old 22-05-2014, 18:13
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Lets hope Apple do a proper fix and expand iMessage beyond the garden.
There is still that opportunity to become the prime ubiquitous messaging app.

And by now having 3 years to think about it, it could end up becoming a good un.
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Old 23-05-2014, 10:15
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I just turned off iMessage before I sold the phone. It's simple, really.
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Old 23-05-2014, 10:37
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Lets hope Apple do a proper fix and expand iMessage beyond the garden.
There is still that opportunity to become the prime ubiquitous messaging app.

And by now having 3 years to think about it, it could end up becoming a good un.
If there had been an iMessage for Android, I'd have kept the Nexus 4 as my primary phone instead of the secondary one. It was one of only 2 or 3 things I missed about the iPhone which were enough to pull me back.
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Old 24-05-2014, 08:49
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The none net neutrality thing about to cripple consumer freedom in the US likely means there is even less chance of that ever happening.

Apps that actually work like consumers want them to, such as Whatsapp, might now get crippled. Though obviously it is corporates with the big money who will get the priority and working network service.
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Old 26-05-2014, 11:58
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Seems that Job's even more 'sticky' ecosystem has become a vice like death grip.
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Old 26-05-2014, 12:34
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Apps that actually work like consumers want them to, such as Whatsapp, might now get crippled.
Are you sure this is a good example? Unlike some instant messaging apps, doesn't WhatsApp officially require a SIM card and doesn't officially support WiFi only devices? And doesn't it still only work on one device at a time?
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Old 26-05-2014, 13:30
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How it got to be so popular is a bit of a mystery. They even have their own Sim in Germany so as to maybe create more walled gardens.

So yes, there is far better put there but since when does the public go along with better? Everything ends up being different and limited in their own unique way.

It would have been fine if everyone stuck with IRC.
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Old 10-11-2014, 17:35
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Update - Apple let you Deregister iMessage

People getting rid of an iPhone until now faced a rather irritating problem: Apple's iMessage service assumes that all text messages to their phone number should use the over-the-top iMessage app.

Thus, messages intended for an iPhone have failed to land when folks move to rival phones – as the SMSs disappear into the bowels of Apple.

Cupertino has now recognised the problem and popped up a Deregister iMessage tool.

The web-based tool is simplicity itself: iPhone refugees just give their phone number, then punch in the transfer code provided by TXT. If you still own an iPhone, all you need to do is turn off iMessage.

The release of the tool fulfils a promise to fix the bug Apple made last May.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11...smskiller_bug/


https://selfsolve.apple.com/deregister-imessage
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Old 11-11-2014, 23:18
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California judge says Apple will face lawsuit over iMessage woes

Switching from iPhone to Android or another mobile OS means you may encounter issues receiving texts, and the issue is going to land Apple in court. US District Court Judge Lucy Koh ordered that the company face claims it failed to disclose issues that customers would face if they switched from an iPhone to another device. Plaintiff Adrienne Moore alleges that upon opting for the Galaxy S5 to replace an iPhone 4, the switch blocked the delivery of "countless" messages. Koh said the case would move forward, and Moore should get a chance to prove whether or not the disruption violated California's unfair competition regulations. If you'll recall, Apple announced a tool a few days ago to help folks deactivate iMessage when switching to a non-iOS device -- ensuring texts from iPhone users still come through.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/11/a...ssage-lawsuit/
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