Three UK VoIP WiFi App (like O2's TuGo App)?

Miyagi · 16-06-2014, 15:06

Skype calls would cost - O2 TuGo can be downloaded onto your tablet and even your pc, so just wondered whether Three would replicate that. I'm often on my tablet rather than phone and it would be convenient to be able to answer/make a call from it etc. One place I work in London is a dead zone for mobile reception, annoyingly, so any form of being able to use wifi (or mobile data?) to make/receive calls will be enormously useful.

japaul · 16-06-2014, 15:17

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

I don't, but that's a good question.

Does anyone know if you can do this with the O2 app (let me stress, the Three one isn't the same app - but might work the same way)?

It would be great if I could run the app on another smartphone (or tablet) and make/receive calls from that, just as you can with something like Skype.

Not used it myself (don't use O2 at all anymore) but they say phone,tablet or PC.

http://www.o2.co.uk/apps/tu-go

Silent No More · 16-06-2014, 16:17

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Originally Posted by The Sack

The only problem with that is is that VF aren't competitive no matter where you live so your logic doesnt work.

I'm not sure I understand your logic.

Clearly Vodafone are competitive and for lots of customers (not me personally I might add), as they have a huge UK/global customer base.

Let's say they are the only network to offer coverage in your house, but are more expensive than the other networks.

They won't budge on price, because they don't have to as they don't actually have any competition (would you in that position)?

They would just say that the other network's prices are irrelvant, as they are not offerring coverage for that price, so it's moot (and they'd be absolutely right).

I think I'm right in saying that they have the biggest (and possibly best known) mobile network, so for a lot of people that's a big plus (I realise that doesn't make them great, but a lot of people simply prefer a well known brand).

moox · 16-06-2014, 19:20

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Originally Posted by Batch

Yes, just before I swiched to Voda. I was told that I **might** get one if I switched to a 12 month contract. I wasn't prepared to do so on a 'might' and besids I don't really spend enough to justify anything more than a rolling monthly contract.

Shame really as I thought 3 were ecellent (though losing the 2G infill did detract a bit in terms of coverage in a couple of area.). Was happy to pay £100 or so for the femto too.

You could try getting a 1 month SIM only and then asking for it. In my case, when I did this, they said "yes, you can have one, if you agree to 12 months right away", and as soon as I did they ordered one for me. They claimed that i had 14 days to cancel the 12 month agreement if the signal box was no good.

natbike · 17-06-2014, 08:19

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Originally Posted by japaul

Interference from femtos could be a problem for the macro network on the same frequency but remember they are most likely used in a place which already has a poor or non existent 3G signal so that helps. Also the network has the ability to control the power of the femto if it's causing a problem.

I assume that just because a home signal cannot see the network, it doesn't mean that it's coverage won't overlap that of someone that gets a very weak signal. My signal reaches the back and front gardens which have coverage.

I can imagine my neighbours getting a weak signal and my signal box interfering so they end up dropping calls etc. I'm guessing that any increase in background noise could cause issues for someone else.

japaul · 17-06-2014, 10:02

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Originally Posted by natbike

I assume that just because a home signal cannot see the network, it doesn't mean that it's coverage won't overlap that of someone that gets a very weak signal. My signal reaches the back and front gardens which have coverage.

I can imagine my neighbours getting a weak signal and my signal box interfering so they end up dropping calls etc. I'm guessing that any increase in background noise could cause issues for someone else.

That could well be the case but in this example your neighbour could be affected by any femto on the same frequency in range of the macro cell even if it is nowhere near them as the distant femto still adds a little bit more interference which will slightly change the cell edge of the macro cell.

I think though the point I was trying to make is that since there's a tendency for femtos to be used in poor or no signal areas, the impact on the macro network is lower than would be the case if you just assume they are distributed randomly throughout the network.

jabbamk1 · 17-06-2014, 10:25

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...3&postcount=22

d123 · 17-06-2014, 20:52

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...3&postcount=22

This sounds more likely.

Quote:

For those with bad signal: End of July three are releasing an app called Three inTouch which will allow you to use WiFi anywhere in the world to make calls and texts. You use your standard dialer and texting app too.

jabbamk1 · 17-06-2014, 21:02

They're both talking about the same thing.

d123 · 17-06-2014, 21:44

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

They're both talking about the same thing.

Sorry, should have said "more accurate", the bit about EU calls and no mention of texts.

WelshBluebird · 17-06-2014, 22:13

Interesting if the "You use your standard dialer and texting app too" bit is correct.

moox · 17-06-2014, 22:22

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Originally Posted by WelshBluebird

Interesting if the "You use your standard dialer and texting app too" bit is correct.

It's a shame that the UMA standard never took off, then we wouldn't need to bother with custom apps for each network, they could just enable it on their network and each phone could deal with it in their own way - including using the standard apps, seamless integration with the mobile network and so on. If you swapped SIMs or phones it would move across too.

jonmorris · 17-06-2014, 23:18

Using the existing dialler and texting app is very interesting and I wonder how it will work?

d123 · 17-06-2014, 23:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

Using the existing dialler and texting app is very interesting and I wonder how it will work?

Not sure, but that statement was made by someone working for Three (over on HDUK).

jabbamk1 · 17-06-2014, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

Using the existing dialler and texting app is very interesting and I wonder how it will work?

It'll work quite easily if done right. On Android that is. It can work seamlessly.

On iOS you'll have to use the app no matter what and that's down to the nature of iOS.

jonmorris · 17-06-2014, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by d123

Not sure, but that statement was made by someone working for Three (over on HDUK).

I know I can select whether to call direct or via Skype on my phone, but that's not as native as the above suggests (but maybe that is how it will work).

The other option is for Three to request a custom ROM that has a different dialler, but that wouldn't work for iOS. And what of all the older customers, or those with SIM-free unbranded phones.. so that's probably out.

The trial that starts from tomorrow will involve more ordinary people, so I expect we'll see some details leaked by someone that can't respect an NDA. We might even see screen shots or videos, and there's a good chance that some people may be called by someone using the service without knowing (as the trial obviously requires people to USE the service).

And, no, I didn't get on the trial. I didn't even ask, as I'm sure I'd be accused of all sorts of things if I had!

hybridtheory · 18-06-2014, 08:40

Hi

So, Three in Touch. Is there a confirmed date for its release or is still sometime at the end of July?

Thanks

Baz

Silent No More · 18-06-2014, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridtheory

Hi

So, Three in Touch. Is there a confirmed date for its release or is still sometime at the end of July?

Thanks

Baz

Nothing confirmed at all, other than the trial has started.

hybridtheory · 18-06-2014, 08:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

I know I can select whether to call direct or via Skype on my phone, but that's not as native as the above suggests (but maybe that is how it will work).

The other option is for Three to request a custom ROM that has a different dialler, but that wouldn't work for iOS. And what of all the older customers, or those with SIM-free unbranded phones.. so that's probably out.

The trial that starts from tomorrow will involve more ordinary people, so I expect we'll see some details leaked by someone that can't respect an NDA. We might even see screen shots or videos, and there's a good chance that some people may be called by someone using the service without knowing (as the trial obviously requires people to USE the service).

And, no, I didn't get on the trial. I didn't even ask, as I'm sure I'd be accused of all sorts of things if I had!

Hi

How do u get on these trials or who do u have to ask?

Thanks

Baz

jonmorris · 18-06-2014, 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by hybridtheory

Hi

So, Three in Touch. Is there a confirmed date for its release or is still sometime at the end of July?

Thanks

Baz

Ah well, the name is out now then! End of July is the planned launch, but I guess it all comes down to how the trial goes.

Remember the 4G launch mess? Three is going to say nothing until it knows exactly what's happening this time!

jabbamk1 · 18-06-2014, 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

Remember the 4G launch mess? Three is going to say nothing until it knows exactly what's happening this time!

It doesn't exist according to my local Three shop. So yeh, I'd say you're right about that. Makes sense anyway, why announce something when it's not gone gold.

hybridtheory · 18-06-2014, 11:30

Hi

To those that seem to be in the know about Three's VOIP App, will it also allow access to wifi on the London Underground? Would be good if it did as Three r the only network that don't have access to wifi on the London Underground.

Thanks

Baz

jonmorris · 18-06-2014, 11:39

The two things aren't connected, although obviously Three finally allowing access to the LU Wi-Fi service (don't have a date for that) will also mean that with InTouch you'll be able to make and receive calls too (and text).

enapace · 18-06-2014, 13:36

Well I haven't heard of a deal between Virgin and Three yet regarding London Underground though I wouldn't imagine it will be much longer till it happens.

Resonance · 18-06-2014, 13:50

When this app comes out I'll be very tempted to move to Three. The signal is poor at my house, but good elsewhere.

16-06-2014, 15:06	#76
Miyagi Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 647	Skype calls would cost - O2 TuGo can be downloaded onto your tablet and even your pc, so just wondered whether Three would replicate that. I'm often on my tablet rather than phone and it would be convenient to be able to answer/make a call from it etc. One place I work in London is a dead zone for mobile reception, annoyingly, so any form of being able to use wifi (or mobile data?) to make/receive calls will be enormously useful.

16-06-2014, 15:17	#77
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris I don't, but that's a good question. Does anyone know if you can do this with the O2 app (let me stress, the Three one isn't the same app - but might work the same way)? It would be great if I could run the app on another smartphone (or tablet) and make/receive calls from that, just as you can with something like Skype. Not used it myself (don't use O2 at all anymore) but they say phone,tablet or PC. http://www.o2.co.uk/apps/tu-go

16-06-2014, 16:17	#78
Silent No More Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 466	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack The only problem with that is is that VF aren't competitive no matter where you live so your logic doesnt work. I'm not sure I understand your logic. Clearly Vodafone are competitive and for lots of customers (not me personally I might add), as they have a huge UK/global customer base. Let's say they are the only network to offer coverage in your house, but are more expensive than the other networks. They won't budge on price, because they don't have to as they don't actually have any competition (would you in that position)? They would just say that the other network's prices are irrelvant, as they are not offerring coverage for that price, so it's moot (and they'd be absolutely right). I think I'm right in saying that they have the biggest (and possibly best known) mobile network, so for a lot of people that's a big plus (I realise that doesn't make them great, but a lot of people simply prefer a well known brand).

16-06-2014, 19:20	#79
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Batch Yes, just before I swiched to Voda. I was told that I might get one if I switched to a 12 month contract. I wasn't prepared to do so on a 'might' and besids I don't really spend enough to justify anything more than a rolling monthly contract. Shame really as I thought 3 were ecellent (though losing the 2G infill did detract a bit in terms of coverage in a couple of area.). Was happy to pay £100 or so for the femto too. You could try getting a 1 month SIM only and then asking for it. In my case, when I did this, they said "yes, you can have one, if you agree to 12 months right away", and as soon as I did they ordered one for me. They claimed that i had 14 days to cancel the 12 month agreement if the signal box was no good.

17-06-2014, 08:19	#80
natbike Forum Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 475	Quote: Originally Posted by japaul Interference from femtos could be a problem for the macro network on the same frequency but remember they are most likely used in a place which already has a poor or non existent 3G signal so that helps. Also the network has the ability to control the power of the femto if it's causing a problem. I assume that just because a home signal cannot see the network, it doesn't mean that it's coverage won't overlap that of someone that gets a very weak signal. My signal reaches the back and front gardens which have coverage. I can imagine my neighbours getting a weak signal and my signal box interfering so they end up dropping calls etc. I'm guessing that any increase in background noise could cause issues for someone else.

17-06-2014, 10:02	#81
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	Quote: Originally Posted by natbike I assume that just because a home signal cannot see the network, it doesn't mean that it's coverage won't overlap that of someone that gets a very weak signal. My signal reaches the back and front gardens which have coverage. I can imagine my neighbours getting a weak signal and my signal box interfering so they end up dropping calls etc. I'm guessing that any increase in background noise could cause issues for someone else. That could well be the case but in this example your neighbour could be affected by any femto on the same frequency in range of the macro cell even if it is nowhere near them as the distant femto still adds a little bit more interference which will slightly change the cell edge of the macro cell. I think though the point I was trying to make is that since there's a tendency for femtos to be used in poor or no signal areas, the impact on the macro network is lower than would be the case if you just assume they are distributed randomly throughout the network.

17-06-2014, 10:25	#82
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17-06-2014, 20:52	#83
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by jabbamk1 http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...3&postcount=22 This sounds more likely. Quote: For those with bad signal: End of July three are releasing an app called Three inTouch which will allow you to use WiFi anywhere in the world to make calls and texts. You use your standard dialer and texting app too.

17-06-2014, 21:02	#84
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	They're both talking about the same thing.

17-06-2014, 21:44	#85
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by jabbamk1 They're both talking about the same thing. Sorry, should have said "more accurate", the bit about EU calls and no mention of texts.

17-06-2014, 22:13	#86
WelshBluebird Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 720	Interesting if the "You use your standard dialer and texting app too" bit is correct.

17-06-2014, 22:22	#87
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by WelshBluebird Interesting if the "You use your standard dialer and texting app too" bit is correct. It's a shame that the UMA standard never took off, then we wouldn't need to bother with custom apps for each network, they could just enable it on their network and each phone could deal with it in their own way - including using the standard apps, seamless integration with the mobile network and so on. If you swapped SIMs or phones it would move across too.

17-06-2014, 23:18	#88
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Using the existing dialler and texting app is very interesting and I wonder how it will work?

17-06-2014, 23:25	#89
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris Using the existing dialler and texting app is very interesting and I wonder how it will work? Not sure, but that statement was made by someone working for Three (over on HDUK).

17-06-2014, 23:39	#90
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris Using the existing dialler and texting app is very interesting and I wonder how it will work? It'll work quite easily if done right. On Android that is. It can work seamlessly. On iOS you'll have to use the app no matter what and that's down to the nature of iOS.

17-06-2014, 23:42	#91
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 Not sure, but that statement was made by someone working for Three (over on HDUK). I know I can select whether to call direct or via Skype on my phone, but that's not as native as the above suggests (but maybe that is how it will work). The other option is for Three to request a custom ROM that has a different dialler, but that wouldn't work for iOS. And what of all the older customers, or those with SIM-free unbranded phones.. so that's probably out. The trial that starts from tomorrow will involve more ordinary people, so I expect we'll see some details leaked by someone that can't respect an NDA. We might even see screen shots or videos, and there's a good chance that some people may be called by someone using the service without knowing (as the trial obviously requires people to USE the service). And, no, I didn't get on the trial. I didn't even ask, as I'm sure I'd be accused of all sorts of things if I had!

18-06-2014, 08:40	#92
hybridtheory Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland Posts: 744	Hi So, Three in Touch. Is there a confirmed date for its release or is still sometime at the end of July? Thanks Baz

18-06-2014, 08:42	#93
Silent No More Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 466	Quote: Originally Posted by hybridtheory Hi So, Three in Touch. Is there a confirmed date for its release or is still sometime at the end of July? Thanks Baz Nothing confirmed at all, other than the trial has started.

18-06-2014, 10:25	#95
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by hybridtheory Hi So, Three in Touch. Is there a confirmed date for its release or is still sometime at the end of July? Thanks Baz Ah well, the name is out now then! End of July is the planned launch, but I guess it all comes down to how the trial goes. Remember the 4G launch mess? Three is going to say nothing until it knows exactly what's happening this time!

18-06-2014, 11:05	#96
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris Remember the 4G launch mess? Three is going to say nothing until it knows exactly what's happening this time! It doesn't exist according to my local Three shop. So yeh, I'd say you're right about that. Makes sense anyway, why announce something when it's not gone gold.

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Three UK VoIP WiFi App (like O2's TuGo App)?

18-06-2014, 11:30	#97
hybridtheory Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Antrim, Northern Ireland Posts: 744	Hi To those that seem to be in the know about Three's VOIP App, will it also allow access to wifi on the London Underground? Would be good if it did as Three r the only network that don't have access to wifi on the London Underground. Thanks Baz

18-06-2014, 11:39	#98
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	The two things aren't connected, although obviously Three finally allowing access to the LU Wi-Fi service (don't have a date for that) will also mean that with InTouch you'll be able to make and receive calls too (and text).

18-06-2014, 13:36	#99
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Well I haven't heard of a deal between Virgin and Three yet regarding London Underground though I wouldn't imagine it will be much longer till it happens.

18-06-2014, 13:50	#100
Resonance Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 9,212	When this app comes out I'll be very tempted to move to Three. The signal is poor at my house, but good elsewhere.