Apple & Samsung in talks to settle all of patent litigation cases

kidspud · 21-05-2014, 07:50

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These quotes from Samsung's lead attorney John Quinn made me laugh

According to Apple, John Quinn, Samsung's lead attorney, has never seriously considered the possibility of settling the two companies' various patent suits out of court – what in legal jargon is known as "alternative dispute resolution" (ADR).

"It's kind of hard to talk settlement with a jihadist," Quinn reportedly told Apple. Asked about Samsung's chances of success in the courts, Quinn is said to have compared Cupertino's lawsuits to an unpopular war, saying, "This is Apple's Vietnam, and people are sick of it."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...ace_talks_off/

I'm amazed he is still in his job.

Everything Goes · 21-05-2014, 08:08

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Originally Posted by kidspud

I'm amazed he is still in his job.

Then you should be equally amazed that Steve Jobs wasnt summoned by the board and sacked for his "Thermonuclear War" comments about Android.

I expect your usual double standards apply and you will disagree!

BeethovensPiano · 21-05-2014, 08:32

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

I think you will find it was Apple who started this!!

Yes, because of Samsung's criminal behaviour.

grumpyoldbat · 21-05-2014, 10:01

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

Haha! Never gonna happen! I could post something nice to him and an argument would still ensue!!!

Oh go on! Kissy kissy make up!

swordman · 21-05-2014, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Everything Goes

These quotes from Samsung's lead attorney John Quinn made me laugh

According to Apple, John Quinn, Samsung's lead attorney, has never seriously considered the possibility of settling the two companies' various patent suits out of court – what in legal jargon is known as "alternative dispute resolution" (ADR).

"It's kind of hard to talk settlement with a jihadist," Quinn reportedly told Apple. Asked about Samsung's chances of success in the courts, Quinn is said to have compared Cupertino's lawsuits to an unpopular war, saying, "This is Apple's Vietnam, and people are sick of it."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...ace_talks_off/

The general feeling felt by most 'reasonable' people

alanwarwic · 21-05-2014, 10:44

If there is willingness to settle why leak those comments?
Something does not quite add up, especially when no ones really knows the terms of any Apple offer.

There is a very large contradiction here. You do not leak negotiations as it looks like you are using it as an opportunity to continue the war.

calico_pie · 22-05-2014, 09:02

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Originally Posted by swordman

The general feeling felt by most 'reasonable' people

The general feeling of most people is that Apple are jihadists, and legal disputes are somehow comparable to the Vietnam war?

To be fair, that doesn't sound all that reasonable.

Still, as someone else had repeatedly reminded us, Jobs did apparently want a Thermonuclear War. Dramatic as it sounds, Especially With Capitals, it was I suspect just a figure of speech.

swordman · 22-05-2014, 10:46

When you believe your are undertaking a "holy war" of course

calico_pie · 22-05-2014, 11:01

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Originally Posted by swordman

When you believe your are undertaking a "holy war" of course

Sure - but only if you take everything anyone ever says completely literally.

I suspect most reasonable people know a figure of speech when they hear one though.

I'd be pretty sure that Jobs was not a Jihadist.

swordman · 22-05-2014, 11:52

Depends whether you are taking the phrase jihad literally I suppose are you

calico_pie · 22-05-2014, 12:05

If its not being taken literally, then what is its meaning here that somehow differentiates Apple from Samsung?

swordman · 22-05-2014, 12:14

As already mentioned the rhetoric of the CEO denotes a company on a crusade and less likely to listen to reason or logic.

That sound familiar at all

kidspud · 22-05-2014, 12:46

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Originally Posted by Everything Goes

Then you should be equally amazed that Steve Jobs wasnt summoned by the board and sacked for his "Thermonuclear War" comments about Android.

I expect your usual double standards apply and you will disagree!

Not really. I'm amazed because of the terrible job he has done in court, not because of his comments.

kidspud · 22-05-2014, 12:47

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Originally Posted by BeethovensPiano

Yes, because of Samsung's criminal behaviour.

Strange mindset isn't. If you prosecute someone, you are then seen as the baddy.

darkjedimaster · 22-05-2014, 12:58

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Originally Posted by BeethovensPiano

Yes, because of Samsung's criminal behaviour.

Yet Apple have been stealing for years, even Jobs admitted to that. So they are equally as bad as Samsung, if not worse. Yet they are the ones trying to made themselves look like the innocent victim.

calico_pie · 22-05-2014, 13:05

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Originally Posted by swordman

As already mentioned the rhetoric of the CEO denotes a company on a crusade and less likely to listen to reason or logic.

That sound familiar at all

Well, it certainly sounds overly dramatic.

When you say "crusade", do you really just mean "court case"?

It must be a fine line between the two, seemingly becoming a "crusade" on the back of a couple of rhetorical soundbites.

calico_pie · 22-05-2014, 13:08

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Originally Posted by darkjedimaster

Yet Apple have been stealing for years, even Jobs admitted to that. So they are equally as bad as Samsung, if not worse. Yet they are the ones trying to made themselves look like the innocent victim.

Presumably they would argue there's a difference between using other people's ideas that are freely available, and stealing other people's intellectual property.

For example, the original OS GUI which was undoubtedly inspired by what Jobs saw at Xerox. But IIRC they didn't have much of a problem with that, or feel that Apple had stolen their intellectual property.

swordman · 22-05-2014, 13:10

Indeed Job's did indeed sound very dramatic or perhaps he actually thought he was on some relgious crusade for the gods of IOS, who knows. One has to worry about such rhetoric though, bordering on the delusional, from the CEO of such a powerful company and certainly sets these court cases in context.

calico_pie · 22-05-2014, 16:01

Well not really - if everyone who has ever used language figuratively was delusional, that that would be most of us.

swordman · 22-05-2014, 18:26

That would depend, are you tempted to launch a "holy war" against me or "go thermonuclear" on my ass if I tick you off?

I would, as I'm sure many would, consider that an odd and very over emotional response to a situation. it would and does give a clear indication as to the mindset of an individual, I would say it is strange you don't think so, but ..

calico_pie · 22-05-2014, 19:04

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Originally Posted by swordman

That would depend, are you tempted to launch a "holy war" against me or "go thermonuclear" on my ass if I tick you off?

I would, as I'm sure many would, consider that an odd and very over emotional response to a situation. it would and does give a clear indication as to the mindset of an individual, I would say it is strange you don't think so, but ..

Are you comparing being ticked off by some random off the internet with the alleged wholesale theft of intellectual property?

I'm sure many people have uttered that they could murder someone for all manner of trivial things. Rarely do they ever actually murder the person though.

Its a figure_of_speech, and probably doesn't mean you have to worry about their state of mind.

I'm quite sure in those cases you wouldn't, but when it comes to Apple common sense often seems to be the first thing leaving the building.

alanwarwic · 22-05-2014, 19:38

"I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." : Steve Jobs

And in wanting to buy Dropbox, when Apple purchase offer got turned down, the walled garden based iCloud appeared.
The thing is, Android like Dropbox is no walled garden. Pretty much everything Apple provides is a limited walled garden service. Jobs would have been far happier with Android, Dropbox etc if they had the same customer control vision.

I'm sure RT was/is about following Jobs's vision. A vision that creates a big garden divide between phablety things and PCs.

And that war, I'm sure is as much a war against Linux. It must have been doubly galling that Android chose to embrace it in Smartphones.

kidspud · 22-05-2014, 19:41

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Originally Posted by swordman

Indeed Job's did indeed sound very dramatic or perhaps he actually thought he was on some relgious crusade for the gods of IOS, who knows. One has to worry about such rhetoric though, bordering on the delusional, from the CEO of such a powerful company and certainly sets these court cases in context.

Do you have a link to the audio of when he sounded very dramatic as I can only find the email that said "holy war with google".

swordman · 22-05-2014, 20:48

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

]the alleged wholesale theft of intellectual property[/i]?

The over dramatic Jobs disease must be catching

calico_pie · 22-05-2014, 22:13

Have I misunderstood? I'm pretty sure that was precisely what the case has been about. Isn't it?

Seeing as you're the one wanging on about religious crusades, I'm not sure I'm the one being overly dramatic.

21-05-2014, 07:50	#26
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Everything Goes These quotes from Samsung's lead attorney John Quinn made me laugh According to Apple, John Quinn, Samsung's lead attorney, has never seriously considered the possibility of settling the two companies' various patent suits out of court – what in legal jargon is known as "alternative dispute resolution" (ADR). "It's kind of hard to talk settlement with a jihadist," Quinn reportedly told Apple. Asked about Samsung's chances of success in the courts, Quinn is said to have compared Cupertino's lawsuits to an unpopular war, saying, "This is Apple's Vietnam, and people are sick of it." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...ace_talks_off/ I'm amazed he is still in his job.

21-05-2014, 08:08	#27
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud I'm amazed he is still in his job. Then you should be equally amazed that Steve Jobs wasnt summoned by the board and sacked for his "Thermonuclear War" comments about Android. I expect your usual double standards apply and you will disagree!

21-05-2014, 08:32	#28
BeethovensPiano Inactive Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ♫ At The Keyboard ♫ Posts: 11,556	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles I think you will find it was Apple who started this!! Yes, because of Samsung's criminal behaviour.

21-05-2014, 10:01	#29
grumpyoldbat Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,636	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Haha! Never gonna happen! I could post something nice to him and an argument would still ensue!!! Oh go on! Kissy kissy make up!

21-05-2014, 10:22	#30
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by Everything Goes These quotes from Samsung's lead attorney John Quinn made me laugh According to Apple, John Quinn, Samsung's lead attorney, has never seriously considered the possibility of settling the two companies' various patent suits out of court – what in legal jargon is known as "alternative dispute resolution" (ADR). "It's kind of hard to talk settlement with a jihadist," Quinn reportedly told Apple. Asked about Samsung's chances of success in the courts, Quinn is said to have compared Cupertino's lawsuits to an unpopular war, saying, "This is Apple's Vietnam, and people are sick of it." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05...ace_talks_off/ The general feeling felt by most 'reasonable' people

21-05-2014, 10:44	#31
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	If there is willingness to settle why leak those comments? Something does not quite add up, especially when no ones really knows the terms of any Apple offer. There is a very large contradiction here. You do not leak negotiations as it looks like you are using it as an opportunity to continue the war.

22-05-2014, 09:02	#32
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman The general feeling felt by most 'reasonable' people The general feeling of most people is that Apple are jihadists, and legal disputes are somehow comparable to the Vietnam war? To be fair, that doesn't sound all that reasonable. Still, as someone else had repeatedly reminded us, Jobs did apparently want a Thermonuclear War. Dramatic as it sounds, Especially With Capitals, it was I suspect just a figure of speech.

22-05-2014, 10:46	#33
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	When you believe your are undertaking a "holy war" of course

22-05-2014, 11:01	#34
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman When you believe your are undertaking a "holy war" of course Sure - but only if you take everything anyone ever says completely literally. I suspect most reasonable people know a figure of speech when they hear one though. I'd be pretty sure that Jobs was not a Jihadist.

22-05-2014, 11:52	#35
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Depends whether you are taking the phrase jihad literally I suppose are you

22-05-2014, 12:05	#36
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	If its not being taken literally, then what is its meaning here that somehow differentiates Apple from Samsung?

22-05-2014, 12:14	#37
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	As already mentioned the rhetoric of the CEO denotes a company on a crusade and less likely to listen to reason or logic. That sound familiar at all

22-05-2014, 12:46	#38
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Everything Goes Then you should be equally amazed that Steve Jobs wasnt summoned by the board and sacked for his "Thermonuclear War" comments about Android. I expect your usual double standards apply and you will disagree! Not really. I'm amazed because of the terrible job he has done in court, not because of his comments.

22-05-2014, 12:47	#39
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by BeethovensPiano Yes, because of Samsung's criminal behaviour. Strange mindset isn't. If you prosecute someone, you are then seen as the baddy.

22-05-2014, 12:58	#40
darkjedimaster Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Deathstar Posts: 15,398	Quote: Originally Posted by BeethovensPiano Yes, because of Samsung's criminal behaviour. Yet Apple have been stealing for years, even Jobs admitted to that. So they are equally as bad as Samsung, if not worse. Yet they are the ones trying to made themselves look like the innocent victim.

22-05-2014, 13:05	#41
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman As already mentioned the rhetoric of the CEO denotes a company on a crusade and less likely to listen to reason or logic. That sound familiar at all Well, it certainly sounds overly dramatic. When you say "crusade", do you really just mean "court case"? It must be a fine line between the two, seemingly becoming a "crusade" on the back of a couple of rhetorical soundbites.

22-05-2014, 13:08	#42
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by darkjedimaster Yet Apple have been stealing for years, even Jobs admitted to that. So they are equally as bad as Samsung, if not worse. Yet they are the ones trying to made themselves look like the innocent victim. Presumably they would argue there's a difference between using other people's ideas that are freely available, and stealing other people's intellectual property. For example, the original OS GUI which was undoubtedly inspired by what Jobs saw at Xerox. But IIRC they didn't have much of a problem with that, or feel that Apple had stolen their intellectual property.

22-05-2014, 13:10	#43
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Indeed Job's did indeed sound very dramatic or perhaps he actually thought he was on some relgious crusade for the gods of IOS, who knows. One has to worry about such rhetoric though, bordering on the delusional, from the CEO of such a powerful company and certainly sets these court cases in context.

22-05-2014, 16:01	#44
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Well not really - if everyone who has ever used language figuratively was delusional, that that would be most of us.

22-05-2014, 18:26	#45
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	That would depend, are you tempted to launch a "holy war" against me or "go thermonuclear" on my ass if I tick you off? I would, as I'm sure many would, consider that an odd and very over emotional response to a situation. it would and does give a clear indication as to the mindset of an individual, I would say it is strange you don't think so, but ..

22-05-2014, 19:04	#46
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman That would depend, are you tempted to launch a "holy war" against me or "go thermonuclear" on my ass if I tick you off? I would, as I'm sure many would, consider that an odd and very over emotional response to a situation. it would and does give a clear indication as to the mindset of an individual, I would say it is strange you don't think so, but .. Are you comparing being ticked off by some random off the internet with the alleged wholesale theft of intellectual property? I'm sure many people have uttered that they could murder someone for all manner of trivial things. Rarely do they ever actually murder the person though. Its a figure_of_speech, and probably doesn't mean you have to worry about their state of mind. I'm quite sure in those cases you wouldn't, but when it comes to Apple common sense often seems to be the first thing leaving the building.

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Apple & Samsung in talks to settle all of patent litigation cases

22-05-2014, 19:38	#47
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	"I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." : Steve Jobs And in wanting to buy Dropbox, when Apple purchase offer got turned down, the walled garden based iCloud appeared. The thing is, Android like Dropbox is no walled garden. Pretty much everything Apple provides is a limited walled garden service. Jobs would have been far happier with Android, Dropbox etc if they had the same customer control vision. I'm sure RT was/is about following Jobs's vision. A vision that creates a big garden divide between phablety things and PCs. And that war, I'm sure is as much a war against Linux. It must have been doubly galling that Android chose to embrace it in Smartphones.

22-05-2014, 19:41	#48
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Indeed Job's did indeed sound very dramatic or perhaps he actually thought he was on some relgious crusade for the gods of IOS, who knows. One has to worry about such rhetoric though, bordering on the delusional, from the CEO of such a powerful company and certainly sets these court cases in context. Do you have a link to the audio of when he sounded very dramatic as I can only find the email that said "holy war with google".

22-05-2014, 20:48	#49
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie ]the alleged wholesale theft of intellectual property[/i]? The over dramatic Jobs disease must be catching

22-05-2014, 22:13	#50
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Have I misunderstood? I'm pretty sure that was precisely what the case has been about. Isn't it? Seeing as you're the one wanging on about religious crusades, I'm not sure I'm the one being overly dramatic.