Apple & Samsung in talks to settle all of patent litigation cases

swordman · 22-05-2014, 23:27

Firstly you have misunderstood as usual

Secondly I'm not aware of any case defined or based on "wholesale theft"

perhaps you can enlighten us as always

calico_pie · 22-05-2014, 23:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

Firstly you have misunderstood as usual

Secondly I'm not aware of any case defined or based on "wholesale theft"

perhaps you can enlighten us as always

So these cases aren't anything to do with alleged theft of intellectual property?

Are you sure?

What are they about then?

Looks like CNN are as confused as me.

"But for the moment, it's a war of words between Samsung and the Cupertino-based Apple, each accusing the other of outright theft of intellectual property"

Hopefully its just myself and CNN that have misunderstood.

swordman · 22-05-2014, 23:43

Ah the old bait and switch well done, they are indeed about that. Seems your wholesale theft has been toned down now, seems you should think before you speak too

However again you seem confused about jobs' quotes and these cases, he wasn't referring to Samsung.

calico_pie · 23-05-2014, 00:15

Bait and switch?

For the love of God, please tell me you're not being so literally and pedantic over the difference between the words "wholesale theft" and "outright theft".

Because any reasonable person would take them to mean pretty much the exact same thing.

I know he wasn't referring to Samsung, but he was still referring to the wholesale theft of intellectual property. Sorry, outright theft of intellectual property if it makes you happy.

swordman · 23-05-2014, 01:11

Feigned incredulity does little to make a totally incorrect statement any more right and no any normal person would see them as different things completely just as they are.

Also what jobs opinion of the wrongs done requiring the launching of nuclear weapons and a holy war and what the reality of the cases were are again totally different things.

So wrong on both counts I'm afraid as usual

kidspud · 23-05-2014, 04:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

Feigned incredulity does little to make a totally incorrect statement any more right and no any normal person would see them as different things completely just as they are.

Strange, when you confused the quote the other day referring to 'android' rather than 'Google' you considered your error as a tiny mistake rather than a totally incorrect statement.

kidspud · 23-05-2014, 04:30

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Originally Posted by alanwarwic

"I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." : Steve Jobs

And in wanting to buy Dropbox, when Apple purchase offer got turned down, the walled garden based iCloud appeared.
The thing is, Android like Dropbox is no walled garden. Pretty much everything Apple provides is a limited walled garden service. Jobs would have been far happier with Android, Dropbox etc if they had the same customer control vision.

I'm sure RT was/is about following Jobs's vision. A vision that creates a big garden divide between phablety things and PCs.

And that war, I'm sure is as much a war against Linux. It must have been doubly galling that Android chose to embrace it in Smartphones.

I have dropbox on both my iOS and android devices so I'm not sure what you are talking about?

Are you saying that apple shouldn't have apps exclusive to its device? Do you apply that principle to all providers?

calico_pie · 23-05-2014, 07:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

Feigned incredulity does little to make a totally incorrect statement any more right and no any normal person would see them as different things completely just as they are.

Also what jobs opinion of the wrongs done requiring the launching of nuclear weapons and a holy war and what the reality of the cases were are again totally different things.

So wrong on both counts I'm afraid as usual

Just to be clear here (in case we have our wires crossed!) - which statement are you saying was totally incorrect?

Was it the one about ongoing patent cases being about 'the alleged wholesale theft of intellectual property'?

alanwarwic · 24-05-2014, 08:34

As it was something akin to swiping your finger from left to right one can safely assume that the intellectual property originated in the monkey.

It is pretty much everything else that could do with some intellectual enhancement.
With some luck , and with that supposed Google Apple agreement, Apple are now going to copy Android big time.

flagpole · 24-05-2014, 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

Makes sense. Google, HTC and Apple have all settled, so it was only Samsung who seem to want the war.

Logic is crying.

calico_pie · 24-05-2014, 21:46

Maybe someone could list a few ways in which the case / trial is in any way, shape or form actually like Thermonuclear War or a Holy War?

Chances are people would struggle and draw a blank on that though , what with it not actually resembling either in any way, shape or form.

Maybe I'll be proved wrong. Mind you there was no reply to post 58, so perhaps not.

alanwarwic · 24-05-2014, 22:48

Google supposedly did a tit for tat cancellation of court cases with Apple. It does not stop new ones starting.

Apple's offer to Samsung would have been no such thing, especially as they are said to have filed 2 more patent cases in court this week.
With no leak of any offer details, that reaction by Samsung's lawyers likely says much.

alanwarwic · 24-05-2014, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidspud

Are you saying that apple shouldn't have apps exclusive to its device? ...

They can do whatever they want. However it helps that the functional limitations don't get a bad word said year after year.

I'm sure nearly everyone hopes functional limitations stay exclusive.

kidspud · 24-05-2014, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

They can do whatever they want. However it helps that the functional limitations don't get a bad word said year after year.

I'm sure nearly everyone hopes functional limitations stay exclusive.

I haven't found any functional limitations of either dropbox or iMessage. I really do not have a clue what you are talking about.

alanwarwic · 25-05-2014, 11:55

Oh look,
http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-see...msung-handsets
Apple are still trying to ban Samsung phones that use a finger slide to unlock !

It is quite impressive how fast they dropped that supposed settlement offer that they leaked but never dared detail.

kidspud · 25-05-2014, 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

Oh look,
http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-see...msung-handsets
Apple are still trying to ban Samsung phones that use a finger slide to unlock !

It is quite impressive how fast they dropped that supposed settlement offer that they leaked but never dared detail.

What did they leak?

swordman · 25-05-2014, 13:32

I was reading earlier seems they are also seeking a retrial as well now

Apple are now nothing more than patent trolls and should be branded Vexatious litigants or whatever the US equivalent is, unfortunately they write the law to some degree in the US.

kidspud · 25-05-2014, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

I was reading earlier seems they are also seeking a retrial as well now

Apple are now nothing more than patent trolls and should be branded Vexatious litigants or whatever the US equivalent is, unfortunately they write the law to some degree in the US.

Do they

I assume they only write the law in the trials they win?

Is there no limit to the depths some will go in their desire to show their bias against apple.

swordman · 25-05-2014, 15:44

You would assume wrong even have presidential override when they don't like a decision

Shocking how blind some people are or wish to be.

Everything Goes · 25-05-2014, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

You would assume wrong even have presidential override when they don't like a decision

Shocking how blind some people are or wish to be.

Yes Barack Obama's administration over ruled lifted an import ban on some Apple iPads and older iPhone models. Some people have a very selective memory

Link to remind certain forum members who like to hide their heads in the sand:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8745158.html

kidspud · 26-05-2014, 07:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Everything Goes

Yes Barack Obama's administration over ruled lifted an import ban on some Apple iPads and older iPhone models. Some people have a very selective memory

Link to remind certain forum members who like to hide their heads in the sand:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8745158.html

My memory is fine thanks. Do you agree with Swordman then that Apple decide the law?

swordman · 26-05-2014, 11:49

What i find fascinating is that Apple want a retrial because the award of $119 million was not enough. They claim that $3.2 billion is now owed

In what world are the two patents (slide to unlock and actionable links) worth over $3 billion in damages against Apple. Were all iphone user suddenly claiming "jeez now I can slide to unlock on a samsung I'm off to them, slide to unlock is my life"

Then this new action trying to ban 'market leading phones' such as the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note, Galaxy S2. Having already had similar requests denied. Does banning these old models really matter to Apple. of course not.

Apples continual patent trolling rather than innovation and invention will do irreparable damage to the mobile world and impact us all. What a shame some seem to condone and even support this charade

wavejockglw · 26-05-2014, 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by swordman

Apples continual patent trolling rather than innovation and invention will do irreparable damage to the mobile world and impact us all. What a shame some seem to condone and even support this charade

I agree 100%......

The problem for Apple is that they seem to have run out of ideas and are now chasing the market rather than setting new trends. Their next move to 4.7" screens on iPhones simply replicates what others have been doing for years and a 5.7" phablet again simply copies others. What happened to the iWatch? We have the Sony Watch and the second generation Samsung Galaxy Gear but no offering from Apple as yet.

The real innovation seems to be coming from others now with products like Chromecast, Google Glass, Galaxy Gear and improved versions of Chromebook etc.

Apple's branding is sure to deliver them success with the next generation of iPhones and iPads as they have a strong brand loyalty but new entrants are now producing products that perform well at a fraction of the cost of the premium prices Apple and others charge and that will impact them in the future for sure. 8Is an iPnone 5C really worth 5 times the price of a Huawei Ascend P6 (EE Kestrel) or a Motorola G?

The guys from Cupertino need to develop some must have products if they want to retain their position as one of the world's most desirable technology brands.

alanwarwic · 26-05-2014, 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by wavejockglw

...What happened to the iWatch? We have the Sony Watch and the second generation Samsung Galaxy Gear but no offering from Apple as yet....

I expect it to arrive September, and quickly as a freebie, a bit like Samsung do sometimes with the Gear.

It is getting more and more difficult to justify high prices so freebies are the way forwards. Saying that, it might be several years late, but those phablets will be a big attraction to current owners.

IslandNiles · 26-05-2014, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanwarwic

I expect it to arrive September, and quickly as a freebie, a bit like Samsung do sometimes with the Gear.

It is getting more and more difficult to justify high prices so freebies are the way forwards.

What makes you think it'll be a bundled freebie? I'd be very surprised if this was the case.

22-05-2014, 23:27	#51
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Firstly you have misunderstood as usual Secondly I'm not aware of any case defined or based on "wholesale theft" perhaps you can enlighten us as always

22-05-2014, 23:37	#52
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Firstly you have misunderstood as usual Secondly I'm not aware of any case defined or based on "wholesale theft" perhaps you can enlighten us as always So these cases aren't anything to do with alleged theft of intellectual property? Are you sure? What are they about then? Looks like CNN are as confused as me. "But for the moment, it's a war of words between Samsung and the Cupertino-based Apple, each accusing the other of outright theft of intellectual property" Hopefully its just myself and CNN that have misunderstood.

22-05-2014, 23:43	#53
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Ah the old bait and switch well done, they are indeed about that. Seems your wholesale theft has been toned down now, seems you should think before you speak too However again you seem confused about jobs' quotes and these cases, he wasn't referring to Samsung.

23-05-2014, 00:15	#54
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Bait and switch? For the love of God, please tell me you're not being so literally and pedantic over the difference between the words "wholesale theft" and "outright theft". Because any reasonable person would take them to mean pretty much the exact same thing. I know he wasn't referring to Samsung, but he was still referring to the wholesale theft of intellectual property. Sorry, outright theft of intellectual property if it makes you happy.

23-05-2014, 01:11	#55
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	Feigned incredulity does little to make a totally incorrect statement any more right and no any normal person would see them as different things completely just as they are. Also what jobs opinion of the wrongs done requiring the launching of nuclear weapons and a holy war and what the reality of the cases were are again totally different things. So wrong on both counts I'm afraid as usual

23-05-2014, 04:23	#56
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Feigned incredulity does little to make a totally incorrect statement any more right and no any normal person would see them as different things completely just as they are. Strange, when you confused the quote the other day referring to 'android' rather than 'Google' you considered your error as a tiny mistake rather than a totally incorrect statement.

23-05-2014, 04:30	#57
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic "I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." : Steve Jobs And in wanting to buy Dropbox, when Apple purchase offer got turned down, the walled garden based iCloud appeared. The thing is, Android like Dropbox is no walled garden. Pretty much everything Apple provides is a limited walled garden service. Jobs would have been far happier with Android, Dropbox etc if they had the same customer control vision. I'm sure RT was/is about following Jobs's vision. A vision that creates a big garden divide between phablety things and PCs. And that war, I'm sure is as much a war against Linux. It must have been doubly galling that Android chose to embrace it in Smartphones. I have dropbox on both my iOS and android devices so I'm not sure what you are talking about? Are you saying that apple shouldn't have apps exclusive to its device? Do you apply that principle to all providers?

23-05-2014, 07:43	#58
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Feigned incredulity does little to make a totally incorrect statement any more right and no any normal person would see them as different things completely just as they are. Also what jobs opinion of the wrongs done requiring the launching of nuclear weapons and a holy war and what the reality of the cases were are again totally different things. So wrong on both counts I'm afraid as usual Just to be clear here (in case we have our wires crossed!) - which statement are you saying was totally incorrect? Was it the one about ongoing patent cases being about 'the alleged wholesale theft of intellectual property'?

24-05-2014, 08:34	#59
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	As it was something akin to swiping your finger from left to right one can safely assume that the intellectual property originated in the monkey. It is pretty much everything else that could do with some intellectual enhancement. With some luck , and with that supposed Google Apple agreement, Apple are now going to copy Android big time.

24-05-2014, 20:23	#60
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Makes sense. Google, HTC and Apple have all settled, so it was only Samsung who seem to want the war. Logic is crying.

24-05-2014, 21:46	#61
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Maybe someone could list a few ways in which the case / trial is in any way, shape or form actually like Thermonuclear War or a Holy War? Chances are people would struggle and draw a blank on that though , what with it not actually resembling either in any way, shape or form. Maybe I'll be proved wrong. Mind you there was no reply to post 58, so perhaps not.

24-05-2014, 22:48	#62
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Google supposedly did a tit for tat cancellation of court cases with Apple. It does not stop new ones starting. Apple's offer to Samsung would have been no such thing, especially as they are said to have filed 2 more patent cases in court this week. With no leak of any offer details, that reaction by Samsung's lawyers likely says much.

24-05-2014, 22:54	#63
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by kidspud Are you saying that apple shouldn't have apps exclusive to its device? ... They can do whatever they want. However it helps that the functional limitations don't get a bad word said year after year. I'm sure nearly everyone hopes functional limitations stay exclusive.

24-05-2014, 22:59	#64
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic They can do whatever they want. However it helps that the functional limitations don't get a bad word said year after year. I'm sure nearly everyone hopes functional limitations stay exclusive. I haven't found any functional limitations of either dropbox or iMessage. I really do not have a clue what you are talking about.

25-05-2014, 11:55	#65
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Oh look, http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-see...msung-handsets Apple are still trying to ban Samsung phones that use a finger slide to unlock ! It is quite impressive how fast they dropped that supposed settlement offer that they leaked but never dared detail.

25-05-2014, 12:35	#66
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic Oh look, http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-see...msung-handsets Apple are still trying to ban Samsung phones that use a finger slide to unlock ! It is quite impressive how fast they dropped that supposed settlement offer that they leaked but never dared detail. What did they leak?

25-05-2014, 13:32	#67
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	I was reading earlier seems they are also seeking a retrial as well now Apple are now nothing more than patent trolls and should be branded Vexatious litigants or whatever the US equivalent is, unfortunately they write the law to some degree in the US.

25-05-2014, 14:41	#68
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman I was reading earlier seems they are also seeking a retrial as well now Apple are now nothing more than patent trolls and should be branded Vexatious litigants or whatever the US equivalent is, unfortunately they write the law to some degree in the US. Do they I assume they only write the law in the trials they win? Is there no limit to the depths some will go in their desire to show their bias against apple.

25-05-2014, 15:44	#69
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	You would assume wrong even have presidential override when they don't like a decision Shocking how blind some people are or wish to be.

25-05-2014, 23:04	#70
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman You would assume wrong even have presidential override when they don't like a decision Shocking how blind some people are or wish to be. Yes Barack Obama's administration over ruled lifted an import ban on some Apple iPads and older iPhone models. Some people have a very selective memory Link to remind certain forum members who like to hide their heads in the sand: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8745158.html

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Apple & Samsung in talks to settle all of patent litigation cases

26-05-2014, 07:31	#71
kidspud Forum Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 11,501	Quote: Originally Posted by Everything Goes Yes Barack Obama's administration over ruled lifted an import ban on some Apple iPads and older iPhone models. Some people have a very selective memory Link to remind certain forum members who like to hide their heads in the sand: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...n-8745158.html My memory is fine thanks. Do you agree with Swordman then that Apple decide the law?

26-05-2014, 11:49	#72
swordman Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 6,342	What i find fascinating is that Apple want a retrial because the award of $119 million was not enough. They claim that $3.2 billion is now owed In what world are the two patents (slide to unlock and actionable links) worth over $3 billion in damages against Apple. Were all iphone user suddenly claiming "jeez now I can slide to unlock on a samsung I'm off to them, slide to unlock is my life" Then this new action trying to ban 'market leading phones' such as the Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note, Galaxy S2. Having already had similar requests denied. Does banning these old models really matter to Apple. of course not. Apples continual patent trolling rather than innovation and invention will do irreparable damage to the mobile world and impact us all. What a shame some seem to condone and even support this charade

26-05-2014, 12:03	#73
wavejockglw Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 10,276	Quote: Originally Posted by swordman Apples continual patent trolling rather than innovation and invention will do irreparable damage to the mobile world and impact us all. What a shame some seem to condone and even support this charade I agree 100%...... The problem for Apple is that they seem to have run out of ideas and are now chasing the market rather than setting new trends. Their next move to 4.7" screens on iPhones simply replicates what others have been doing for years and a 5.7" phablet again simply copies others. What happened to the iWatch? We have the Sony Watch and the second generation Samsung Galaxy Gear but no offering from Apple as yet. The real innovation seems to be coming from others now with products like Chromecast, Google Glass, Galaxy Gear and improved versions of Chromebook etc. Apple's branding is sure to deliver them success with the next generation of iPhones and iPads as they have a strong brand loyalty but new entrants are now producing products that perform well at a fraction of the cost of the premium prices Apple and others charge and that will impact them in the future for sure. 8Is an iPnone 5C really worth 5 times the price of a Huawei Ascend P6 (EE Kestrel) or a Motorola G? The guys from Cupertino need to develop some must have products if they want to retain their position as one of the world's most desirable technology brands.

26-05-2014, 12:26	#74
alanwarwic Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: the wild world web Posts: 28,132	Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw ...What happened to the iWatch? We have the Sony Watch and the second generation Samsung Galaxy Gear but no offering from Apple as yet.... I expect it to arrive September, and quickly as a freebie, a bit like Samsung do sometimes with the Gear. It is getting more and more difficult to justify high prices so freebies are the way forwards. Saying that, it might be several years late, but those phablets will be a big attraction to current owners.

26-05-2014, 12:29	#75
IslandNiles Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 13,091	Quote: Originally Posted by alanwarwic I expect it to arrive September, and quickly as a freebie, a bit like Samsung do sometimes with the Gear. It is getting more and more difficult to justify high prices so freebies are the way forwards. What makes you think it'll be a bundled freebie? I'd be very surprised if this was the case.