Rubbish Three

A_Noni · 22-05-2014, 22:50

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I think it is simply enforcing its existing T&C's possibly due people ignoring them. For example some people brag about using hundreds of GB's of data tethering on PAYG and that's also against its T&C's so this has probably triggered enforcement.

Speaking to a guy in Customer Resolutions today, he told me that in the past it wasn't a problem so the T&Cs must have changed. No doubt this is happening because some people have taken the piss on this plan and now others are paying the price.

A_Noni · 22-05-2014, 22:52

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

It is quite odd that Three doesn't want you using unlimited data on a tablet, but I guess the reasoning is (was) that you might want to stream a lot more video on a tablet, and therefore consume much more data than you would on a phone. In other words, Three originally assumed that most people getting AYCE data wouldn't actually need or want to use that much (the same logic for other networks, which is perhaps why Giffgaff is now having to use multiple tricks to cut down on data usage for everyone).

Now that phones have 5 inch screens and higher, it's even more nonsensical as I can, and do, stream loads of video on my smartphone - Sky Go, iPlayer, Netflix etc.

But, logical or not, Three doesn't let you use a SIM in a tablet unless it's a mobile broadband SIM/tariff and with a fixed amount of data.

I agree it's illogical. And I have been using a SIM for four years! They may not let me know but they have for quite a while.

d123 · 22-05-2014, 22:54

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Originally Posted by A_Noni

Speaking to a guy in Customer Resolutions today, he told me that in the past it wasn't a problem so the T&Cs must have changed. No doubt this is happening because some people have taken the piss on this plan and now others are paying the price.

It wasn't a problem because Three couldn't tell it was happening or turned a blind eye to those who did it.. They have now updated their systems and can tell it's happening and have decided to stop it as the t&c's have always said. Phone sims were always only officially to be used in a phone.

jabbamk1 · 22-05-2014, 23:03

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Originally Posted by A_Noni

Speaking to a guy in Customer Resolutions today, he told me that in the past it wasn't a problem so the T&Cs must have changed. No doubt this is happening because some people have taken the piss on this plan and now others are paying the price.

Those guys just tell you what you want to here.

It's been in the terms and conditions since 2010 when the one plan first came out.
It's just that it hasn't been enforced on everyone. Three have started enforcing it properly recently because they have invested in the tech to have the T&C enforced.

At the end of the day the T&C have always said it can only be used in a phone so you can't get mad for breaking the T&C.

It's like renting a house that says you can't keep pets (except you weren't told) and after keeping a pet for years the landlord finds out and then kicks you out.
Weird example I know but it's late and that was the only thing i could think of.

A_Noni · 22-05-2014, 23:05

I'll allow it though. Thanks for that.

You said Three have started to enforce it. Does that mean people were given warnings, or is just people staying up to date with what's going on?

jabbamk1 · 22-05-2014, 23:06

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Originally Posted by A_Noni

I'll allow it though. Thanks for that.

My suggestion, buy a cheap phone and put your one plan SIM in there.

Then just tether it to tablet to use via Wi-Fi.

Two birds with one stone. You get a working tablet again plus you can use the phone as an actual phone for calls/texts etc...

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Originally Posted by A_Noni

You said Three have started to enforce it. Does that mean people were given warnings, or is just people staying up to date with what's going on?

The latter. On this forum most people who have posted here for a long time are clued up on the goings on with certain network policies. Hence why all the posts here are just people telling you to read the T&C. Because they already know that it's being enforced.

The Sack · 22-05-2014, 23:10

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Originally Posted by d123

No, they are not. Three has it's own 4G network.

http://m.techradar.com/news/internet/broadband/ee-and-three-to-share-4g-network-1221057

A_Noni · 22-05-2014, 23:11

I have a Moto G arriving tomorrow. I'll tether until I get broadband sorted at my new place and on the phone until the LG G3 comes out.

Thanks for all your help

jabbamk1 · 22-05-2014, 23:20

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Originally Posted by The Sack

http://m.techradar.com/news/internet/broadband/ee-and-three-to-share-4g-network-1221057

Read the actual FT article before posting.

It's not a network share in the literal sense.

jonmorris · 22-05-2014, 23:29

Made my evening to see that someone is now trying to 'prove' that Three just runs on EE's network, like an MVNO.

moox · 23-05-2014, 00:31

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

Made my evening to see that someone is now trying to 'prove' that Three just runs on EE's network, like an MVNO.

If ol' queasysacks was still around he'd try to tell you that 3 doesn't own their own 3G network, because apparently owning and controlling half of the company that manages the shared network doesn't count.

The Lord Lucan · 23-05-2014, 12:16

I'll also 5th or 6th this. EE & THREE 4G networks are separate. Separate spectrum, separate core network, separate cabinets, separate network management.
Sites are the same, masts are the same, backhaul the same but that's it, tiny amount of what a network is made up of. Each network have full control of their own network. That is not a MVNO!

sevenman · 23-05-2014, 12:18

All they care about is lining their deep pockets.

d123 · 23-05-2014, 13:12

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Originally Posted by The Sack

http://m.techradar.com/news/internet/broadband/ee-and-three-to-share-4g-network-1221057

As you've been told 4 or 5 times by others I would hope you now realise how wrong you were and need say no more about

.

david16 · 24-05-2014, 20:36

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

It is very clear, those plans are for phones only. They don't allow tablets on them as has been discussed here quite a bit.

Apologies OP, but if you look on Three's website and terms it does tell you this.

What if you bought a SIM free iPad out of Amazon and used a 3 mobile phone SIM on it rather than buying the iPad at 3?

It would not be locked to 3 when you put the 3 mobile phone SIM in the iPad, so 3 would not even know a tablet is being used.

d123 · 24-05-2014, 20:44

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Originally Posted by david16

What if you bought a SIM free iPad out of Amazon and used a 3 mobile phone SIM on it rather than buying the iPad at 3?

It would not be locked to 3 when you put the 3 mobile phone SIM in the iPad, so 3 would not even know a tablet is being used.

Yes, they would know. They wouldn't care if you were using a broadband sim, but would block a phone sim.

asm · 28-05-2014, 10:18

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Originally Posted by nafanny29

Wrong wrong wrong. Internet Fail!

Three and EE share masts and backhaul networks, though they have their own basestations.

22-05-2014, 22:50	#26
A_Noni Forum Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 10	Quote: Originally Posted by joeluken I think it is simply enforcing its existing T&C's possibly due people ignoring them. For example some people brag about using hundreds of GB's of data tethering on PAYG and that's also against its T&C's so this has probably triggered enforcement. Speaking to a guy in Customer Resolutions today, he told me that in the past it wasn't a problem so the T&Cs must have changed. No doubt this is happening because some people have taken the piss on this plan and now others are paying the price.

22-05-2014, 22:52	#27
A_Noni Forum Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 10	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris It is quite odd that Three doesn't want you using unlimited data on a tablet, but I guess the reasoning is (was) that you might want to stream a lot more video on a tablet, and therefore consume much more data than you would on a phone. In other words, Three originally assumed that most people getting AYCE data wouldn't actually need or want to use that much (the same logic for other networks, which is perhaps why Giffgaff is now having to use multiple tricks to cut down on data usage for everyone). Now that phones have 5 inch screens and higher, it's even more nonsensical as I can, and do, stream loads of video on my smartphone - Sky Go, iPlayer, Netflix etc. But, logical or not, Three doesn't let you use a SIM in a tablet unless it's a mobile broadband SIM/tariff and with a fixed amount of data. I agree it's illogical. And I have been using a SIM for four years! They may not let me know but they have for quite a while.

22-05-2014, 22:54	#28
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by A_Noni Speaking to a guy in Customer Resolutions today, he told me that in the past it wasn't a problem so the T&Cs must have changed. No doubt this is happening because some people have taken the piss on this plan and now others are paying the price. It wasn't a problem because Three couldn't tell it was happening or turned a blind eye to those who did it.. They have now updated their systems and can tell it's happening and have decided to stop it as the t&c's have always said. Phone sims were always only officially to be used in a phone.

22-05-2014, 23:03	#29
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by A_Noni Speaking to a guy in Customer Resolutions today, he told me that in the past it wasn't a problem so the T&Cs must have changed. No doubt this is happening because some people have taken the piss on this plan and now others are paying the price. Those guys just tell you what you want to here. It's been in the terms and conditions since 2010 when the one plan first came out. It's just that it hasn't been enforced on everyone. Three have started enforcing it properly recently because they have invested in the tech to have the T&C enforced. At the end of the day the T&C have always said it can only be used in a phone so you can't get mad for breaking the T&C. It's like renting a house that says you can't keep pets (except you weren't told) and after keeping a pet for years the landlord finds out and then kicks you out. Weird example I know but it's late and that was the only thing i could think of.

22-05-2014, 23:05	#30
A_Noni Forum Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 10	I'll allow it though. Thanks for that. You said Three have started to enforce it. Does that mean people were given warnings, or is just people staying up to date with what's going on?

22-05-2014, 23:06	#31
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by A_Noni I'll allow it though. Thanks for that. My suggestion, buy a cheap phone and put your one plan SIM in there. Then just tether it to tablet to use via Wi-Fi. Two birds with one stone. You get a working tablet again plus you can use the phone as an actual phone for calls/texts etc... Quote: Originally Posted by A_Noni You said Three have started to enforce it. Does that mean people were given warnings, or is just people staying up to date with what's going on? The latter. On this forum most people who have posted here for a long time are clued up on the goings on with certain network policies. Hence why all the posts here are just people telling you to read the T&C. Because they already know that it's being enforced.

22-05-2014, 23:10	#32
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 No, they are not. Three has it's own 4G network. http://m.techradar.com/news/internet/broadband/ee-and-three-to-share-4g-network-1221057

22-05-2014, 23:11	#33
A_Noni Forum Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 10	I have a Moto G arriving tomorrow. I'll tether until I get broadband sorted at my new place and on the phone until the LG G3 comes out. Thanks for all your help

22-05-2014, 23:20	#34
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack http://m.techradar.com/news/internet/broadband/ee-and-three-to-share-4g-network-1221057 Read the actual FT article before posting. It's not a network share in the literal sense.

22-05-2014, 23:29	#35
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Made my evening to see that someone is now trying to 'prove' that Three just runs on EE's network, like an MVNO.

23-05-2014, 00:31	#36
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris Made my evening to see that someone is now trying to 'prove' that Three just runs on EE's network, like an MVNO. If ol' queasysacks was still around he'd try to tell you that 3 doesn't own their own 3G network, because apparently owning and controlling half of the company that manages the shared network doesn't count.

23-05-2014, 12:16	#37
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	I'll also 5th or 6th this. EE & THREE 4G networks are separate. Separate spectrum, separate core network, separate cabinets, separate network management. Sites are the same, masts are the same, backhaul the same but that's it, tiny amount of what a network is made up of. Each network have full control of their own network. That is not a MVNO!

23-05-2014, 12:18	#38
sevenman Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 9	All they care about is lining their deep pockets.

23-05-2014, 13:12	#39
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack http://m.techradar.com/news/internet/broadband/ee-and-three-to-share-4g-network-1221057 As you've been told 4 or 5 times by others I would hope you now realise how wrong you were and need say no more about .

24-05-2014, 20:36	#40
david16 Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central Belt Posts: 12,290	Quote: Originally Posted by Thine Wonk It is very clear, those plans are for phones only. They don't allow tablets on them as has been discussed here quite a bit. Apologies OP, but if you look on Three's website and terms it does tell you this. What if you bought a SIM free iPad out of Amazon and used a 3 mobile phone SIM on it rather than buying the iPad at 3? It would not be locked to 3 when you put the 3 mobile phone SIM in the iPad, so 3 would not even know a tablet is being used.

24-05-2014, 20:44	#41
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by david16 What if you bought a SIM free iPad out of Amazon and used a 3 mobile phone SIM on it rather than buying the iPad at 3? It would not be locked to 3 when you put the 3 mobile phone SIM in the iPad, so 3 would not even know a tablet is being used. Yes, they would know. They wouldn't care if you were using a broadband sim, but would block a phone sim.

28-05-2014, 10:18	#42
asm Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 151	Quote: Originally Posted by nafanny29 Wrong wrong wrong. Internet Fail! Three and EE share masts and backhaul networks, though they have their own basestations.

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