Brendan was evil full stop.

I agree, I feel so sorry for Sienna having to grow up with a father like Patrick, no wonder she has mental issues - as would anyone else.

only because they waved a magic wand over his character.

I agree.

I agree

Of course Patrick can be redeemed. If Brendan, a brutal murderer, can be shown as a redeemed person - which was possible, but not in the absurd time frame leading up to Emmett's exit - then Patrick certainly can. But Hollyoaks won't bother - because he doesn't have an obsessive fan base. Quite rightly, because Patrick shouldn't have fans. Ste had no excuse to abuse Amy, but he's been redeemed - because he's an attractive young man with lots of fans.

Patrick had a troubled childhood, his mother was an alcoholic etc. But I don't think that he will be redeemed, because it will be far easier for Hollyoaks to get rid of him. Just as it was to get rid of Anna. But it isn't the right decision IMO.

I hate when Hollyoaks suddenly decide to redeem characters. Characters like Robbie and Patrick have done some truly horrible things and along the way have shown no guilt or remorse, also there's nothing to explain these characters about why they are so horrible in the first place. At least with Brendan there was some kind of back story to explain why he was the way he was. It doesn't justify what Brendan had done but it explains it.

with Brendan, I hated him at first, then I loved him. Even now would still love him back on screen. With Patrick it wont happen, I must admit that I laughed when I first saw the title for this thread because he is so unlikeable.

I agree

People say that Ste was redeemed but he was only a teenager when he abused Amy and he learnt by his mistakes. Patrick abused Anna and to some degree Sienna by controlling her and he hasn't learnt anything. I can't see him being redeemed.

I agree, Patrick is beyond redemption imo.

The only way I can see Patrick going is in a body bag or in a cell.

lol , I agree.

Well I agree (to an extent) and disagree with this.

Do I think Robbie should be punished? Absolutely. His homophobic behavior before he found out what Finn did was disgusting and without proper punishment it will be sending out the wrong message in my opinion.

I disagree though as he has at least shown some remorse for what happened to JP. Also (and please let me know if I am wrong with this point), I can't recall him ever showing any homophobic behavior since. Robbie was all talk and no action before in my opinion.

The main difference with Patrick and Robbie for me, however, is their age. Does that excuse Robbie's behavior? No; but he was at an impressionable age unlike Patrick who is a grown man and is fully aware of his behavior (I say fully aware as his lie to Nancy and Darren heavily implies this).

Not only that but Patrick has witnessed first hand what his treatment to Sienna has caused, but instead of trying to better himself and get some help he has began to treat Maxine in the same horrific manner (and harm his unborn child). Whilst Robbie has been disgusting, since discovering what his behavior has caused he has at least tried to be a better person.

Realistically he wouldn't feel guilty during the bullying would he? It would take something really big to make a bully change their ways - either that or falling in love with someone. I agree that Robbie would not in the real world get away with all the things he did in the past and I think they took the bad boy image too far and made him too nasty initially - however, for most people/characters, it's not too late to change. Since learning of the rape, Robbie apologised to JP, stopped bullying him, and is trying really hard to change his ways so I have naturally warmed to him. This does not mean my compassion for JP is any less.

I agree.

Patrick is beyong redepmtion. I loved Brendon as a character because he was enjoyable, he was a horrible person and he can never be excused for what he did but he was still someone I enjoyed watching.

Patrick can save the whole village from being set on fire and I wouldn't care; he's manipulative, abusive and I can never like him but again I enjoy watching him and is played by a good actor.

I liked Patrick when he came to live in the village. Cold and sulky -perhaps, but with strong sense of judgment and not taking psss from anyone. I loved the way he dealt with Sinead about her bullying Esther , when she tried to play "I'm pregnant, that was only joking" card.
Patrick is perfectionist, they're unlikable , but they set standards. Patrick has OCD, mental issue . I wonder if writers wanted to go that route and explore his OCD ?

I'm thinking along the lines of a personality disorder. He's a control freak in every sense of the word which is why he makes Maxine admit things she didn't do because he wants control of the situation.

Yes, then again maybe deep down is so insecure he really believes Maxine has done these things?

I disagree.

The majority of people/characters are not weirdos like Finn. It was natural that Robbie was shocked and disgusted when he discovered Finn raped JP. Then when he saw JP on that bridge, he felt guilty and went to apologise. Then, it was only realistic that now he knew the Finn/JP secret he would stop with the bullying which he did. If Robbie wants to try and be a better person he should have that chance. Yes, it's slightly out of synch with the more serious things he did in the past like the armed robbery but those things are deep in the past and it's not too late for someone like Robbie to try and change.

Exactly!

Patrick did mention something before about having an alcoholic mother and an abusive father but maybe he just made that up but if it was true it would explain his behavior

While I do agree with you. This thread was supposed to be about Patrick not Robbie.

Good point - sorry - got sidetracked.