I agree, I mean we all know Robbie feels guilt now and has remorse but he certainly didn't before he found out about the rape. Before the found out he was truly vile towards JP and his behavior imo shouldn't go unpunished. I am glad Robbie is being redeemed but if he doesn't get punished for his action then that is sending out a terrible message. In a way I feel like Hollyoaks are trying use Finn's actions as a way to somewhat justify Robbie's behavior or not make him look as bad - I don't know if it is just me who thinks that though.

I don't have a problem with Hollyoaks redeeming characters because you want people to feel guilt and remorse for what they have done but imo Patrick is beyond redemption. Maybe if there was some tender moments between him and Maxine and if there was moments that he felt guilt then maybe I would feel differently. I hope when the truth about Patrick is revealed Hollyoaks don't suddenly try to make Patrick out to be some kind of victim because he isn't. I agree with what you said about him being a grown man and him knowing what is doing. Patrick is a monster who loves power and control.

I agree. They did they same thing with Ruby and Sinead with the Esther bullying storyline, but at least Ruby was punished by being thrown out by the Osbourne house immediately after the revelation and also having to go around school and let others tell her what they really thought of her. At the time, I thought Ruby's punishment was pretty minimal, but I wonder if they will even hold Robbie accountable at all.

Patrick is such a cold person that I think redemption for him would be really jarring unless they showed him going through some extensive counseling sessions and also going to jail for his actions.

I agree, Patrick is a monster and I can't wait for him to be caught. I agree about the similarities between the Esther storyline and the JP storyline. But at least with Ruby she had to face some punishment even if it was very minimal. I can image Robbie getting off scot-free which would really piss me off and it is sending out a terrible message.

^ Agree completely with the BIB. I was annoyed when Ruby got such minimal punishment though.

Me too, but compared to Robbie she was tortured.

Robbie should really have been punished during the time when he was actually being vile - it just seems weird to punish him weeks/months later for the past when he has turned over a new leaf and become much nicer.

I agree, although I hate how Hollyoaks are trying to act like Robbie hasn't done those horrible tings. One thing that I hope doesn't happen is the false molestation claims against his uncle go unpunished as that would really piss me off. I would like Robbie if he faced the consequences for his actions and then turned over a new leaf but unfortunately I can't really warm to him if he gets off scot-free and doesn't face the consequences.

Yes of course Patrick can be redeemed. Anyone in soap land can and have been redeemed with time, descent/sympathetic back story and character development. Should he be is another matter.

If it's any comfort to you I don't think Robbie will get away with lying about his uncle or walk away completely "scott free" and I'll tell you why.

When Robbie and JP eventually hand Finn into the police and take him to trial, the police/court will want to know why Robbie didn't report Finn's crime (they won't ask JP as his reason's obvious) - Robbie can say truthfully that Finn threatened to implicate him in the rape and that at the time he didn't think he could prove that he didn't know Finn raped JP and that he tried to offer JP mitigation at his sentencing when he rewrote his statement. Once it comes out that Finn destroyed Robbie's real statement and wrote the lies that sent JP to prison the court are bound to ask Robbie why he didn't retract Finn's lies and clear JP's name.

Robbie will then have no choice but to admit that Finn blackmailed him because he lied about his uncle abusing him. After Robbie has given the necessary evidence to get Finn locked up, Robbie will be charged with perverting the course of justice,. not because he kept quiet about the rape as he did that under duress, but because he lied about his uncle and he will face the consequences for that whether it's a suspended sentence, community service or prison time (though I would prefer one of the first two as I like Robbie)

The bullying of JP he can't undo but he'll have made amends for that by apologising, ceasing the bullying and getting Finn brought to justice so it no longer matters about that, especially as he has stopped being homophobic.

I don't think he will be to be honest x

I will eat my hat if we see that happening.

BIB - I see no reason to assume that.

Considering how homophobic Robbie was I find it slightly contrived that he suddenly isn't anymore. You would think he at least be a bit uncomfortable around homosexuals considering how much he hated them before.

Who says he isn't? As you say, if you've been homophobic all your life, you're not just suddenly going to have a whole different mindset.

As someone who as suffered from diagnosed OCD in the past, I find it hilarious how Hollyoaks use his obvious OCD as a way to control Maxine. His disorder is very extreme. His OCD is so severe, combined with his controlling behaviour, that he judge Maxine (his fiancee) for wearing an uneven necklace? Very strange. I adore how how camp JS often is, it makes me laugh. Obviously I feel sorry for Maxine, but it's good to get a few laughs out of such a horrifying storyline.

Robbie - If Rick is a homophobe, then we can begin to forgive Robbie. But I don't think he is. His dad, his mum, all his brothers, including his twin, haven't shown even the slightest hint of being homophobic - he has had no influence at all. He has chosen to be a bigot for no reason other than he wanted to. His actions are unforgivable.

I agree, a lot of people suggested the reason he was so homophobic was because maybe his dad left his mum for another man, and he maybe he saw gay people as home wreckers. Also a lot of people suggested that maybe Robbie was gay himself and couldn't come to terms with it - like Aaron in Emmerdale. But based on what we have seen of Rick so far and Robbie dating Phoebe, I guess we can rule them both out. I wish Hollyoaks would explain why Robbie is so homophobic. I know people are sometimes bigots for no reason but Robbie's hate for JP was something else and I really wish Hollyoaks would touch on it.

They won't, though, because they don't want us to remember how nasty Robbie really is.

Nothing satisfies those determined to hate Robbie does it? Rolls eyes.

My scenario is a realistic one if they choose to go down that route which might make sense since Finn is blackmailing him. If on the other hand they didn't go down that route it's not the end of the world because Hollyoaks is a very lightweight soap.

Robbie unlike Finn is being nice to JP and has stopped bullying people. In Finn's case, even Tony and Diane are starting to notice his homophobia now. With Robbie, even if they don't show him being "punished" if they do show guilt, remorse and him changing for the better, maybe it doesn't send out a bad message after all, especially as either way Finn will be punished anyway and rightly so.

He's not behaving homophobic any more unlike Finn and given how shocked he was about the rape, I doubt he would start being homophobic again. It's good to show that the majority can change their ways.

Everything about Robbie is contrived. Also, if we are to believe he is not homophobic anymore, then the only thing that caused him to stop being so was a gay man being raped. I don't know, but that doesn't sit well with me. If it takes someone being raped to change your thinking, then I'm really not that impressed. I find something really smug about him as well that is icredibly off-putting.


People can hate any character they want for whatever reason they want. People hate Fiz from Corrie, Ian Beale from EE, etc. They are fictional characters and everyone has his/her own individual tastes. I believe those who find Robbie off-putting have plenty reason to do so.

I agree

It'd be a nice surprise if Patrick accepted Down's Syndrome baby. Possibly he'll be nicer to Maxine now, though more out of fear Sienna will expose him otherwise.
I loved Sienna yesterday!

I think Patrick will want Maxine to abort the baby, or push her down the stairs or beat the baby out of her.

If that's the case, Maxine will leave him and report him. She already is showing signs of being fed up . She want to have a baby regardless with Down's Syndrome or without, if Patrick kill him, she won't forgive him , not that.

I think this as well, I can see him blaming Maxine for the baby being down's syndrome.

How do you know she wants the baby? She's only just found out it's got Down's Syndrome. She's had no professional counselling yet or time to decide what she wants. Whatever she does, it needs to be her decision.

I'd hate for this storyline to go down the path of evil villain Patrick forcing Maxine to have an abortion or beating it out of her. What crap. Hollyoaks need to take a more mature approach to this. Anyway, I posted my thoughts on the daily thread so I won't repeat myself.