Originally Posted by lulu g:
“They won't, though, because they don't want us to remember how nasty Robbie really is.”
“They won't, though, because they don't want us to remember how nasty Robbie really is.”
true..
Redeeming Patrick HO
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Originally Posted by Jingle Jangle:
“How do you know she wants the baby? She's only just found out it's got Down's Syndrome. She's had no professional counselling yet or time to decide what she wants. Whatever she does, it needs to be her decision.
I'd hate for this storyline to go down the path of evil villain Patrick forcing Maxine to have an abortion or beating it out of her. What crap. Hollyoaks need to take a more mature approach to this. Anyway, I posted my thoughts on the daily thread so I won't repeat myself.”
“How do you know she wants the baby? She's only just found out it's got Down's Syndrome. She's had no professional counselling yet or time to decide what she wants. Whatever she does, it needs to be her decision.
I'd hate for this storyline to go down the path of evil villain Patrick forcing Maxine to have an abortion or beating it out of her. What crap. Hollyoaks need to take a more mature approach to this. Anyway, I posted my thoughts on the daily thread so I won't repeat myself.”
Because she talked to Dennis about it and said "I'm not saying my baby won't be perfect, but what if Patrick won't think that?" She's always wanted to be a mum.
However, if she decides she wants termination, she should do it because she wants it, not out of fear of Patrick. Otherwise she'll regret it for rest of her life.
Originally Posted by Anna_W:
“Because she talked to Dennis about it and said "I'm not saying my baby won't be perfect, but what if Patrick won't think that?" She's always wanted to be a mum.
However, if she decides she wants termination, she should do it because she wants it, not out of fear of Patrick. Otherwise she'll regret it for rest of her life.”
“Because she talked to Dennis about it and said "I'm not saying my baby won't be perfect, but what if Patrick won't think that?" She's always wanted to be a mum.
However, if she decides she wants termination, she should do it because she wants it, not out of fear of Patrick. Otherwise she'll regret it for rest of her life.”
That was before she found out about the Down's Syndrome for definite, though. Oh it's an impossible position to be in. Wanting a baby regardless, but then, once furnished with all the facts and the brutal reality of the situation, maybe changing your mind. Poor Maxine.
BIB: Yes, exactly. It must be her choice. Time for Maxine to take control and not be bullied into either keeping the baby or terminating by Patrick.
Patrick may use Down's Syndrome baby as another tool to control Maxine. Having children is one of the reasons why people stay in an abusive relationships, having sick baby makes even harder to leave.
Originally Posted by trevon1:
“Everything about Robbie is contrived. Also, if we are to believe he is not homophobic anymore, then the only thing that caused him to stop being so was a gay man being raped. I don't know, but that doesn't sit well with me. If it takes someone being raped to change your thinking, then I'm really not that impressed. I find something really smug about him as well that is icredibly off-putting.
People can hate any character they want for whatever reason they want. People hate Fiz from Corrie, Ian Beale from EE, etc. They are fictional characters and everyone has his/her own individual tastes. I believe those who find Robbie off-putting have plenty reason to do so.”
“Everything about Robbie is contrived. Also, if we are to believe he is not homophobic anymore, then the only thing that caused him to stop being so was a gay man being raped. I don't know, but that doesn't sit well with me. If it takes someone being raped to change your thinking, then I'm really not that impressed. I find something really smug about him as well that is icredibly off-putting.
People can hate any character they want for whatever reason they want. People hate Fiz from Corrie, Ian Beale from EE, etc. They are fictional characters and everyone has his/her own individual tastes. I believe those who find Robbie off-putting have plenty reason to do so.”
I'm sure even the Ian haters are sorry for him now his daughter's been murdered.
I stand by my view that realistically it would take something pretty big to make a bully change their ways and in this case it happens to be JP's rape.
I don't think Robbie is smug or homophobic any more but that's just my view.
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes:
“I'm sure even the Ian haters are sorry for him now his daughter's been murdered.
I stand by my view that realistically it would take something pretty big to make a bully change their ways and in this case it happens to be JP's rape.
I don't think Robbie is smug or homophobic any more but that's just my view.”
“I'm sure even the Ian haters are sorry for him now his daughter's been murdered.
I stand by my view that realistically it would take something pretty big to make a bully change their ways and in this case it happens to be JP's rape.
I don't think Robbie is smug or homophobic any more but that's just my view.”
this thread is about Patrick
The thread I posted Phoebe's interview in got very sidetracked I remember.
But yes, obviously I hope Patrick is found out soon. I'm not even sorry Finn ended up drugging him given how he treats Maxine.
But yes, obviously I hope Patrick is found out soon. I'm not even sorry Finn ended up drugging him given how he treats Maxine.
Originally Posted by trevon1:
“Everything about Robbie is contrived. Also, if we are to believe he is not homophobic anymore, then the only thing that caused him to stop being so was a gay man being raped. I don't know, but that doesn't sit well with me. If it takes someone being raped to change your thinking, then I'm really not that impressed. I find something really smug about him as well that is icredibly off-putting.”
“Everything about Robbie is contrived. Also, if we are to believe he is not homophobic anymore, then the only thing that caused him to stop being so was a gay man being raped. I don't know, but that doesn't sit well with me. If it takes someone being raped to change your thinking, then I'm really not that impressed. I find something really smug about him as well that is icredibly off-putting.”
I agree
Originally Posted by ME1234567:
“poor Maxine always get the blame.”
“poor Maxine always get the blame.”
I know
I hope she leave him soon.
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes:
“Nothing satisfies those determined to hate Robbie does it? Rolls eyes.
My scenario is a realistic one if they choose to go down that route which might make sense since Finn is blackmailing him. If on the other hand they didn't go down that route it's not the end of the world because Hollyoaks is a very lightweight soap.
Robbie unlike Finn is being nice to JP and has stopped bullying people. In Finn's case, even Tony and Diane are starting to notice his homophobia now. With Robbie, even if they don't show him being "punished" if they do show guilt, remorse and him changing for the better, maybe it doesn't send out a bad message after all, especially as either way Finn will be punished anyway and rightly so.”
“Nothing satisfies those determined to hate Robbie does it? Rolls eyes.
My scenario is a realistic one if they choose to go down that route which might make sense since Finn is blackmailing him. If on the other hand they didn't go down that route it's not the end of the world because Hollyoaks is a very lightweight soap.
Robbie unlike Finn is being nice to JP and has stopped bullying people. In Finn's case, even Tony and Diane are starting to notice his homophobia now. With Robbie, even if they don't show him being "punished" if they do show guilt, remorse and him changing for the better, maybe it doesn't send out a bad message after all, especially as either way Finn will be punished anyway and rightly so.”
BIB - It's not a case of being determined to hate Robbie. It's rather a case of refusing to be manipulated by TPTB into liking him, just because he is one of their favoured ones. We are perfectly capable of making up our own minds, thanks very much.
We don't really know that Robbie has stopped bullying people. It's a bit too soon to say yet.
Originally Posted by lulu g:
“BIB - It's not a case of being determined to hate Robbie. It's rather a case of refusing to be manipulated by TPTB into liking him, just because he is one of the favoured ones. We care perfectly capable of making up our own minds, thanks very much.
We don't really know that Robbie has stopped bullying people. It's a bit too soon to say yet.”
“BIB - It's not a case of being determined to hate Robbie. It's rather a case of refusing to be manipulated by TPTB into liking him, just because he is one of the favoured ones. We care perfectly capable of making up our own minds, thanks very much.
We don't really know that Robbie has stopped bullying people. It's a bit too soon to say yet.”
I agree, how exactly do we know that Robbie isn't a bully anymore, or homophobic for that matter. I have a feeling once this JP storyline has concluded he will be back to his old ways.
It would be stupid if they took him back to his old ways after the storyline - we don't want any more evil Finn type characters - that would be boring. One thing I'm sure of is that he'll no longer bully JP. It would be good if they mellowed Robbie out (bit like Janine in EastEnders) where you can see a nice side to him even if he still has a bad boy edge.
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes:
“I'm sure even the Ian haters are sorry for him now his daughter's been murdered.
I stand by my view that realistically it would take something pretty big to make a bully change their ways and in this case it happens to be JP's rape.
I don't think Robbie is smug or homophobic any more but that's just my view.”
“I'm sure even the Ian haters are sorry for him now his daughter's been murdered.
I stand by my view that realistically it would take something pretty big to make a bully change their ways and in this case it happens to be JP's rape.
I don't think Robbie is smug or homophobic any more but that's just my view.”
Not everyone feels sorry for Ian. There was a thread about how Ian was scum (which I happen to agree with). So there is no reason why Robbie can't be hated as well. My view is that his "redemption" is forced and totally unconvincing.
I was surprised at the "Ian is scum" thread but it just proves my point - those who hate characters seem to hate them no matter what even if they become nice or their daughter gets murdered or whatever. Sure, Ian does sometimes take people for granted and can act selfishly but I have compassion for him right now and I ws sorry when he had that mental breakdown.
Haters have plenty of reasons to hate Ian as they do Robbie. The people who dislike these characters do not hate for no reason and are justified in their dislike.
Whatever. In Ian's case though as Lucy has just been murdered I would have thought even those who find him irritating would have compassion. There are perfectly good reasons to hate characters like Finn and Patrick and hate for them is universal but usually liking or disliking a character should depend on things like how that character behaves, situation character is in etc imo.
People can dislike character because they are annoying, because they are hypocrites , because really any reason they want. Just because you like a character does not mean others aren't justified in disagreeing with you. You do not get to decide the criteria for other people's feelings about characters.
Originally Posted by trevon1:
“People can dislike character because they are annoying, because they are hypocrites , because really any reason they want. Just because you like a character does not mean others aren't justified in disagreeing with you. You do not get to decide the criteria for other people's feelings about characters.”
“People can dislike character because they are annoying, because they are hypocrites , because really any reason they want. Just because you like a character does not mean others aren't justified in disagreeing with you. You do not get to decide the criteria for other people's feelings about characters.”
I agree, well said.
Looks like the only thing we can agree on is wanting Finn to go to hell and JP to get justice. We will always disagree on Robbie I'm afraid - I for one don't think he is a hypocrite.
Originally Posted by trevon1:
“People can dislike character because they are annoying, because they are hypocrites , because really any reason they want. Just because you like a character does not mean others aren't justified in disagreeing with you. You do not get to decide the criteria for other people's feelings about characters.”
“People can dislike character because they are annoying, because they are hypocrites , because really any reason they want. Just because you like a character does not mean others aren't justified in disagreeing with you. You do not get to decide the criteria for other people's feelings about characters.”
I agree.
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