ITS NOT A FLAMMING CONSPIRACY!

People have fixed online polls before. I have personally seen it happen before!!!!!!!

Then it was a conspiracy to fix an online poll.

You still haven't produced a shred of evidence that anything untoward happened in this particular poll. You still haven't given a credible motive for why people would bother to rig a poll for an episode when its success or failure would be assessed by more scientific means?

I'm not sure that I see what the problem is....

Fine, you clearly didn't enjoy The Day of the Doctor, be content with your own non-enjoyment of it but stop trying to convince yourself that everyone else feels the same way. I wouldn't expect everyone else to like or dislike the same things as me.

I would suggest that transforming the incarnation in this way would probably rub some people up the wrong way - they might not want 'their' Doctor to be turned into a shell-shocked warrior.


Yep, that's exactly it. He's a general who's tired of the fighting, who's been putting off this final action for a long time.


I though the foreboding and dread was supposed to be about the act that he committed, not his personal presence. Even in his first teaser, he wasn't threatening, he was almost pleading.

Thought it was crap. Didn't like it - but then I'm a traditionalist. Capaldi is the 12th Doctor for me so has one more life left!

Paul McGann should have been the War Doctor. Moffatt just wanted to be the guy to sort out the regeneration quota issue. Having McGann would have tied it up nicely as a 50th anniversary show not just Tennant and Smith larking about aimlessly.

Ecclestone's season is still the hilight for NuWho for me. Oh and don't give me the "ratings are still good so it must be good". 18 million people watched Neighbours once. It was still crap!

Did he? Did he really?

Well, the ratings are still good.

But it's the AI (appreciation Index) that judges whether a show is good or not.

And, surprisingly, the AI has stayed consistent since it came back.

Also, just because you don't like something, doesn't make it crap. To think that is extremely arrogant.

Well yeah, obviously! He contrived things to make it so!

Err, no, not really. I don't watch Neighbours, but any internationally successful tv series that's been running for 25+ years must surely be considered a success, regardless of your own personal views on its quality. You don't like Neighbours, that's fine. Neither do I. But I would never have the arrogance to unilaterally declare it to be 'crap' - it's merely something that I don't like. There's a big difference.

Yes but at least in doing so he addressed the issue of 10's non-regeneration in The Stolen Earth, for all us pedants out there.

And Abbott you can believe what you like, just don't run in here screaming and crying when Capaldi's successor regenerates and you aren't given a reason as to why the Doctor didn't die. We'll just tell you that the explanation was in Time of the Doctor.

And yes, Capaldi is #12.

1st Doctor
2nd Doctor
3rd Doctor
4th Doctor
5th Doctor
6th Doctor
7th Doctor
8th Doctor
John Hurt -- not "The Doctor" in his own eyes
9th Doctor
10th Doctor
10th Doctor again + metacrisis Doctor
11th Doctor - 13th life.

12th Doctor - new regen cycle.

He's the 12th distinctly different looking/ sounding/ personality wise incarnation of the Time Lord who chooses to be called the Doctor. This is why Capaldi is STILL being billed as #12! Or haven't you noticed?

I would rather they'd used McGann instead of the War Doctor,they could have still run much the same story with 8th hiding Gallifrey to keep it safe but then going to see those witches and forcing a regeneration with the drink which would also make him forget the action to stop a future Doctor exposing the secret and putting Gallifrey in danger.

It was still an enjoyable episode though.

How does that work? Does your personal belief somehow trump a major plot point which was explained unequivocally on-screen?

I think you're right be more pacific.
I could understand the confusion, or the reason for any debate if the plot point wasn't clear, but it is clear.
There are none so blind as those that refuse to see...

Absolute post of the year so far.

Really? I thought it was crap. Didn't like it.

Haha! Lol...

I'm not happy with the explanation. That is my opinion and I stick to it. Too much fiddling around and timewimey for me. Capaldi is the 12th Doctor.

War Doctor does not exist
fake Tennant isn't a regeneration

I will probably stop watching because the Doctor would have used all his lifes

I can then go back and watch from the start again.

So everything that is long running is good? The Dr Who cash cow ran out of milk yonks ago. They are now draining the poor cow's blood. The writing isn't as good anymore as there is a over reliance on either the screwdriver, timeywimey lets not bother to explain stuff, the over importance of the companion. The same with Neighbours or any other long running show i.e Simpsons. Same old storylines being rehashed. The quality of most TV writing has dipped. That is my opinion and people can beg to differ if they like and enjoy the show as much as I used too

Well, you're welcome to your imaginary canon. Just don't expect other people to acknowledge your version when the last three broadcast episodes (and a minisode) have all explicitly stated that the War Doctor is an actual incarnation of the Doctor in all but name.

Only because Moffatt decided to rush everything because he wanted to be the one to do the new regenerations thing.

Maybe the next producer will change it.

Oh, well if it's going to be like that - we better start a poll for the Best Doctor Who Forum Post of the Year so far on Digital Spy.

I promise not to create multiple accounts if you don't.

Change it in what way? Seeing as the War Doctor led to everything that happened in the last seven series, what you're suggesting is very close to DariaM's constant calls for all of New Who to be written-off as a bad dream.

Well that wouldnt be a bad idea.