[wavejockglw]

New Root Metrics reports have been published for Birmingham, Coventry & Leicester.

The results may come as a surprise to some (Overall scores relate to reliability and speed of text, voice and data services):

http://www.rootmetrics.com/uk/rsr/birmingham

Overall Brimingham Winner EE (93.1) with Vodafone Second (90.1), O2 third (87.6) and 3last (84). (Tested 15th - 18th Feb 2014)

http://www.rootmetrics.com/uk/rsr/coventry

Overall Coventry Winner EE (92.1) with O2 Second (90), 3 third (89.2) and Vodafone last (88). (Tested 15th - 18th Feb 2014)

http://www.rootmetrics.com/uk/rsr/leicester

Overall Leicester Winner EE (92.9) with 3 Second (87.7), O2 third (87.4) and Vodafone last (78.6). (Tested 7th - 11th Feb 2014)

Hope these new stats are of some interest.

[flagpole]

thanks

[joeluken]

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

New Root Metrics reports have been published for Birmingham, Coventry & Leicester..

Have I interpreted the test period correctly 15-18/2/2104 ?

[flagpole]

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Originally Posted by joeluken

Have interpreted the test period correctly 15-18/2/2104 ?

yes. americans use the MM/DD/YYYY format.

myself i'm an evangalist for YYYYMMDD

[joeluken]

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Originally Posted by flagpole

yes. americans use the MM/DD/YYYY format.

myself i'm an evangalist for YYYYMMDD

LOL - I meant over a few day in Feb 2014 ?

[wavejockglw]

Had another quick look at the results in more detail and the data speeds are interesting. It would appear that those who were lagging behind for a while have upped their game and are no longer getting the wooden spoon for data speeds in the tested areas.

[flagpole]

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Originally Posted by joeluken

LOL - I meant over a few day in Feb 2014 ?

i couldn't think of any other way in which the date was ambiguous.

[joeluken]

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Originally Posted by flagpole

i couldn't think of any other way in which the date was ambiguous.

If you notice I put 2104 is my OP hence the LOL.

I just wanted to clarify that "1st half of 2014" meant performance between 15-18 Feb 2014 only. I don't think Three had gone public with 4G but Voda, o2 and EE had so potentially Three would be at a speed disadvantage if 4G was a factor.

[jabbamk1]

Good to see that Three's 3G still beats some other networks 4G in these results.

Its quite obvious that 4G beats 3G when it comes to data, hence why the others are ranked better than Three in some cases

Still think they should split 3G and 4G seperately

[wavejockglw]

I did a bit of checking and it was around the date of the survey that 3 were activating 4G for their users. I am not sure what the exact coverage was initially but I am sure Birmingham would have had some 4G coverage during the survey period. So it's very likely that some results were collected from 3's 4G usage in Birmingham at the very least.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

I did a bit of checking and it was around the date of the survey that 3 were activating 4G for their users. I am not sure what the exact coverage was initially but I am sure Birmingham would have had some 4G coverage during the survey period. So it's very likely that some results were collected from 3's 4G usage in Birmingham at the very least.

Nope. Non were 4G results from Three.

Email root metrics if you don't believe me.

[wavejockglw]

Evidence? 3 had 4G available in Birmingham during the survey period and Root Metrics have 4G equipped contributors.

Awaiting hard facts.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

Evidence? 3 had 4G available in Birmingham during the survey period and Root Metrics have 4G equipped contributors.

Awaiting hard facts.

In other threads you said I was knowledgeable and that my posts hinted at things that "must be true". But now you ask for evidence?

Hmmmm.

Where is your evidence that there were 4G results taken into account from Three users? It only states EE, O2 and Voda as having 4G results. Doesn't mention anything about Three. So where is your evidence?

As you can't post any evidence I won't post any evidence I'll just do the same as you and say I'm right without evidence. Root metrics don't take Three's 4G results into consideration until March in reports. Fact.

Awaiting hard facts.

[wavejockglw]

I will await reliable evidence that 4G handsets that are the spec Root Metrics detail did not use 3s 4G despite it being available during the testing period published in Birmingham. Why 4G results would be excluded for one particular network when they were available is a complete mystery.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

I will await reliable evidence that 4G handsets that are the spec Root Metrics detail did not use 3s 4G despite it being available during the testing period published in Birmingham. why 4G would be excluded for one particular network when it was available is a mystery.

email them and get back to me.
Rather then waiting around.
I would email them myself and post the email here from them but you'd probably accuse me of photoshop or something

I can guarantee Three's results do not include 4G for Birmingham H1 results.

[wavejockglw]

I won't be emailing anyone as the published results provide information relevant to local users of which I am not one! If 3 UK feel inclined they can challenge the results as they have plenty of professional resources available to them to do so.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

If 3 UK feel inclined they can challenge the results as they have plenty of resources available to do so.

What does this have to do with anything?

We're talking about the results having 4G for EE, Voda and O2 but not for Three.
This is a fact.

[Zee_Bukhari]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

What does this have to do with anything?

We're talking about the results having 4G for EE, Voda and O2 but not for Three.
This is a fact.

exactly, everyone knows it, even thick skulled knows it but likes to be awkward.

[d123]

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

I won't be emailing anyone as the published results provide information relevant to local users of which I am not one! If 3 UK feel inclined they can challenge the results as they have plenty of professional resources available to them to do so.

You really come over as quite argumentative but with little personal knowledge. Is that your intention or is it an act to provoke others ?

[jonmorris]

At my home location/cell:

EE

Max speed 39Mbps down, 10Mbps up (4G)
Average speed 36Mbps down, 10Mbps up (4G)

No data for 3G (which is bizarre, as I've done far more tests on 3G than 4G over the last year or so)

O2 – no data in my cell, but nearest one – a few segments away;

Max speed 0.1Mbps down, 0.1Mbps up (2G/3G)
Average speed 0.1/0.1 (2G/3G)

No data for 3G+ or 4G

Futher away again, there are some 4G results, with 32Mbps down and 16Mbps up.

Three

Max speed 15Mbps down, 3.4Mbps up (4G)
Average speed 11Mbps down, 2.2Mbps up (4G)

Max speed 11Mbps down, 1.7Mbps up (3G)
Average speed 6.7Mbps down, 0.9Mbps up (3G)

Now, I have to say that I've run the app many times on Three and I get speeds of up to 27Mbps on 3G, and I've topped 40Mbps on 4G. So, it's odd that this data isn't on there. I'd have assumed the results are mostly from me, but they're not the same results I got using the app?

Sure, I get slower speeds too - so the average could be down, but it's showing the top recorded speeds here (or not as the case may be).

Vodafone – no data in my cell, but nearest one – a few segments away;

Max speed 0.9Mbps down, 0.1Mbps up (2G/3G)
Average speed 0.6Mbps down, 0.1Mbps up (2G/3G)

No data for 3G+ or 4G

It raises a lot of questions about the RootMetrics data. Why are my own results not showing? Why is there no data for O2 and Vodafone for 3G+ and 4G? I've done these too.

In other words, it's rather hard to use RootMetrics as a way to argue how good a network is when the data isn't complete.

However, the results do perhaps at least prove to the cynics that I'm not making up just how bad O2 and Vodafone are around here. But even I know that in some places, you can get better than what RootMetrics is saying.

[jabbamk1]

I actually have an email response from Root Metrics where they state that no Three 4G results were taken into consideration during February (when Birmingham was tested) and that only future reports would include 4G results from Three.

No doubt Wavejock will dismiss this even if i post the email here. Probably say it was photoshopped or something.

[xreyuk123]

How is call performance a 3 way tie, when Vodafone were higher than anyone else?

Buttfeck EE much? Their results are so biased it's unbelievable. Suppose that's what you get when you let root metrics data pass through your network for free.

[xreyuk123]

They've published Liverpool and Manchester now too. It would appear as though Vodafone are getting their act together.

[wavejockglw]

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Originally Posted by xreyuk123

They've published Liverpool and Manchester now too. It would appear as though Vodafone are getting their act together.

Not just Manchester and Liverpool but a new survey for London also. In all areas all networks have been tested with 4G available and the results are a lot closer than they have been for a while. In London 3 are still the slowest network by a considerable margin (3 = 72.7 Vs EE 89.5), as they are in Liverpool (3 = 71.5 Vs EE 90.8). In the latest Manchester speed survey (3 = 74 Vs EE 91), 3 did manage to beat O2 into last place for by 0.2 of the score (O2 73.8).

EE seem to be out in front in all areas published this year so far and not just in terms of speed although others are catching up and it will be interesting to see how the results develop when more areas are surveyed in the coming months.

Results Link: http://www.rootmetrics.com/uk/

[flagpole]

a motorway was closed when i was out the other day. now on the root metrics map you can blatantly see the diversion i took.