Nexus 4 to a Nexus 5?

The Sack · 30-05-2014, 08:59

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Not sure the N5 is any better in terms of battery though is it?

Mine came off charge 8 hours 10 minutes ago and the battery has dropped to 99% so standby times are much better.

Stock ROM using Davlik (Cant see any improvements using ART other than in your own head and in my case ART uses an extra 500MB of storage), Google Now on, WiFi on with a couple of emails collected in the night and a Three signal that's hanging on for grim death.

jonmorris · 30-05-2014, 09:05

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Originally Posted by chenks

go there and enjoy the event and keep your phone in your pocket.

Fantastic advice. Shame I've been guilty of this many times!

There are far too many events I've been to where I've never really experienced things properly because I've been taking photos or video to enjoy it 'later'.

And most phones aren't great at capturing audio in loud places. Nokia has done a lot of work. HTC has too (so much so it got into a lot of trouble with Nokia) and now LG's G3 also adapts for the ambient noise - although I've not had a chance to test it and don't know if anyone else has either yet.

Stiggles · 30-05-2014, 17:38

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Originally Posted by The Sack

Mine came off charge 8 hours 10 minutes ago and the battery has dropped to 99% so standby times are much better.

Stock ROM using Davlik (Cant see any improvements using ART other than in your own head and in my case ART uses an extra 500MB of storage), Google Now on, WiFi on with a couple of emails collected in the night and a Three signal that's hanging on for grim death.

It's not in your own head. It is much faster. We have 2 Nexus 5's in the house and I pitted them side by side. App opening is far faster for a start.

Agree though that the battery is much better than the nexus 4.

Zack06 · 30-05-2014, 17:50

I made the change, and the Nexus 5 is better. 4G performance is great and the screen is better than the Nexus 4.

jonmorris · 30-05-2014, 18:18

ART is faster precisely because of that extra storage space used up. That's the code that doesn't need to be compiled every time, saving on power consumption too. If you can use it, you should.

johnathome · 30-05-2014, 23:54

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Originally Posted by chenks

some people go to a live music event to actually watch the show thru their eyes and listen to it thru their ears....... and not thru a mobile phone screen

go there and enjoy the event and keep your phone in your pocket.

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

Fantastic advice. Shame I've been guilty of this many times!

There are far too many events I've been to where I've never really experienced things properly because I've been taking photos or video to enjoy it 'later'.

And most phones aren't great at capturing audio in loud places. Nokia has done a lot of work. HTC has too (so much so it got into a lot of trouble with Nokia) and now LG's G3 also adapts for the ambient noise - although I've not had a chance to test it and don't know if anyone else has either yet.

Are these actually serious replies?

I mean no-one ever took a photo of anything, in the world ever, because they were 'experiencing' things?

Well that's killed Youtube and the Pullitzer prize

jonmorris · 31-05-2014, 01:48

There's taking a photo or a short video or there's the new trend for everyone to think they're a paid photo journalist and take hundreds of photos all night, or want to film the whole thing to upload on YouTube (and then wonder why it's removed due to a copyright claim!).

I think we all know the difference. And I did follow up by pointing out that some phones are better than others are recording audio in loud environments.

flagpole · 31-05-2014, 07:26

This is basically what concerts look like now

https://www.wow247.co.uk/wp-content/...ert-phones.jpg

The Sack · 31-05-2014, 11:04

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

It's not in your own head. It is much faster. We have 2 Nexus 5's in the house and I pitted them side by side. App opening is far faster for a start.

Agree though that the battery is much better than the nexus 4.

if making an app open a split second here and a split second there is going to change your life then good on you fella, it wont actually make the app run faster, its a runtime not a processor overclocking magician, personally i prefer the extra storage space.

As you are probably aware YouTube is full of videos like this http://youtu.be/KNuTpOjTEPI http://youtu.be/ptpsw9bozoA

One day ART will be superb, just not yet.

The Sack · 31-05-2014, 11:04

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

ART is faster precisely because of that extra storage space used up. That's the code that doesn't need to be compiled every time, saving on power consumption too. If you can use it, you should.

See the post above.

The Sack · 31-05-2014, 11:17

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

ART is faster precisely because of that extra storage space used up. That's the code that doesn't need to be compiled every time, saving on power consumption too. If you can use it, you should.

Aye the battery savings are simply mind blowing! http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/01...t-not-too-bad/

jonmorris · 31-05-2014, 13:31

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Originally Posted by The Sack

See the post above.

You say it isn't that much quicker, but it is still quicker, and even more so for slower devices like the Moto G. To me it's worth it, especially as it will eventually be the default.

flagpole · 31-05-2014, 13:47

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Originally Posted by The Sack

Aye the battery savings are simply mind blowing! http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/01...t-not-too-bad/

The saving on battery and time comes on launching apps. playing a 3 hour video on a loop is a ridiculous test.

art is faster and soon to be the default. and that is reason enough for me.

jonmorris · 31-05-2014, 13:55

Yes, the tests on the above site did appear to be from someone not fully aware of what it actually is or does!

GeordiePaul · 31-05-2014, 14:19

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Originally Posted by Stiggles

It's not in your own head. It is much faster. We have 2 Nexus 5's in the house and I pitted them side by side. App opening is far faster for a start.

Agree though that the battery is much better than the nexus 4.

I've tried both, I totally disagree with you, can you prove it is much faster please because I fail to see how it could be much quicker than it already is.

Stiggles · 31-05-2014, 14:48

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Originally Posted by GeordiePaul

I've tried both, I totally disagree with you, can you prove it is much faster please because I fail to see how it could be much quicker than it already is.

As I said, we have 2 in the house and I did one art and one Davlik. The art one was much faster opening apps and loading times were faster. Battery life is also better.

Nothing to be proved really when that's what the idea behind it is!!

Stiggles · 31-05-2014, 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Sack

if making an app open a split second here and a split second there is going to change your life then good on you fella, it wont actually make the app run faster, its a runtime not a processor overclocking magician, personally i prefer the extra storage space.

As you are probably aware YouTube is full of videos like this http://youtu.be/KNuTpOjTEPI http://youtu.be/ptpsw9bozoA

One day ART will be superb, just not yet.

I don't think anyone has ever suggested it is a magician. What it is, is faster. I also never suggested it would change my life. I simply said it was faster, which it is.

klendathu · 31-05-2014, 18:00

I've had an Nexus 5 for 4 months , and can honestly say i've had nothing but problems.

Signal drop outs across the board on Wifi, 3G ,4G, and screen freezing everyday .

The cult of Nexus is not all it's cracked up to be be

flagpole · 31-05-2014, 18:03

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Originally Posted by klendathu

I've had an Nexus 5 for 4 months , and can honestly say i've had nothing but problems.

Signal drop outs across the board on Wifi, 3G ,4G, and screen freezing everyday .

The cult of Nexus is not all it's cracked up to be be

Sounds like yours is faulty.

TheVoid · 31-05-2014, 19:24

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Originally Posted by flagpole

Sounds like yours is faulty.

Agreed. Mine has been perfect.

chenks · 01-06-2014, 10:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by klendathu

I've had an Nexus 5 for 4 months , and can honestly say i've had nothing but problems.

Signal drop outs across the board on Wifi, 3G ,4G, and screen freezing everyday .

The cult of Nexus is not all it's cracked up to be be

clearly a faulty device.

Stiggles · 01-06-2014, 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by klendathu

I've had an Nexus 5 for 4 months , and can honestly say i've had nothing but problems.

Signal drop outs across the board on Wifi, 3G ,4G, and screen freezing everyday .

The cult of Nexus is not all it's cracked up to be be

Did you ever consider that you have a faulty unit?..... Or is it easier just to rubbish a whole line of phones because you are having a problem?...

klendathu · 01-06-2014, 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiggles

Did you ever consider that you have a faulty unit?..... Or is it easier just to rubbish a whole line of phones because you are having a problem?...

Its lucky you're here

Stiggles · 01-06-2014, 10:41

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Originally Posted by klendathu

Its lucky you're here

Lost me now.....

jonner101 · 01-06-2014, 23:20

Ive been using the ART for a few months now on the N5. It seems pretty rock solid stable.

It doesn't magically double the speed of the phone but it is most certainly noticeably real world quicker with better battery.

It is clearly a better architecture and will get optimised even more in time. The JIT nature of Dalvik is a very unnecessary bottle neck for a modern smartphone.

More and more applications will get optimised for ART in the future and it will become the default way of running Android apps.

30-05-2014, 08:59	#26
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Quote: Originally Posted by TheVoid Not sure the N5 is any better in terms of battery though is it? Mine came off charge 8 hours 10 minutes ago and the battery has dropped to 99% so standby times are much better. Stock ROM using Davlik (Cant see any improvements using ART other than in your own head and in my case ART uses an extra 500MB of storage), Google Now on, WiFi on with a couple of emails collected in the night and a Three signal that's hanging on for grim death.

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30-05-2014, 09:05	#27
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks go there and enjoy the event and keep your phone in your pocket. Fantastic advice. Shame I've been guilty of this many times! There are far too many events I've been to where I've never really experienced things properly because I've been taking photos or video to enjoy it 'later'. And most phones aren't great at capturing audio in loud places. Nokia has done a lot of work. HTC has too (so much so it got into a lot of trouble with Nokia) and now LG's G3 also adapts for the ambient noise - although I've not had a chance to test it and don't know if anyone else has either yet.

30-05-2014, 17:38	#28
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack Mine came off charge 8 hours 10 minutes ago and the battery has dropped to 99% so standby times are much better. Stock ROM using Davlik (Cant see any improvements using ART other than in your own head and in my case ART uses an extra 500MB of storage), Google Now on, WiFi on with a couple of emails collected in the night and a Three signal that's hanging on for grim death. It's not in your own head. It is much faster. We have 2 Nexus 5's in the house and I pitted them side by side. App opening is far faster for a start. Agree though that the battery is much better than the nexus 4.

30-05-2014, 17:50	#29
Zack06 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 27,438	I made the change, and the Nexus 5 is better. 4G performance is great and the screen is better than the Nexus 4.

30-05-2014, 18:18	#30
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	ART is faster precisely because of that extra storage space used up. That's the code that doesn't need to be compiled every time, saving on power consumption too. If you can use it, you should.

30-05-2014, 23:54	#31
johnathome Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pompey Posts: 1,068	Quote: Originally Posted by chenks some people go to a live music event to actually watch the show thru their eyes and listen to it thru their ears....... and not thru a mobile phone screen go there and enjoy the event and keep your phone in your pocket. Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris Fantastic advice. Shame I've been guilty of this many times! There are far too many events I've been to where I've never really experienced things properly because I've been taking photos or video to enjoy it 'later'. And most phones aren't great at capturing audio in loud places. Nokia has done a lot of work. HTC has too (so much so it got into a lot of trouble with Nokia) and now LG's G3 also adapts for the ambient noise - although I've not had a chance to test it and don't know if anyone else has either yet. Are these actually serious replies? I mean no-one ever took a photo of anything, in the world ever, because they were 'experiencing' things? Well that's killed Youtube and the Pullitzer prize

31-05-2014, 01:48	#32
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	There's taking a photo or a short video or there's the new trend for everyone to think they're a paid photo journalist and take hundreds of photos all night, or want to film the whole thing to upload on YouTube (and then wonder why it's removed due to a copyright claim!). I think we all know the difference. And I did follow up by pointing out that some phones are better than others are recording audio in loud environments.

31-05-2014, 07:26	#33
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	This is basically what concerts look like now https://www.wow247.co.uk/wp-content/...ert-phones.jpg

31-05-2014, 11:04	#34
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles It's not in your own head. It is much faster. We have 2 Nexus 5's in the house and I pitted them side by side. App opening is far faster for a start. Agree though that the battery is much better than the nexus 4. if making an app open a split second here and a split second there is going to change your life then good on you fella, it wont actually make the app run faster, its a runtime not a processor overclocking magician, personally i prefer the extra storage space. As you are probably aware YouTube is full of videos like this http://youtu.be/KNuTpOjTEPI http://youtu.be/ptpsw9bozoA One day ART will be superb, just not yet.

31-05-2014, 11:04	#35
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris ART is faster precisely because of that extra storage space used up. That's the code that doesn't need to be compiled every time, saving on power consumption too. If you can use it, you should. See the post above.

31-05-2014, 11:17	#36
The Sack Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: S6 1SW WTID UTO FTB Posts: 6,327	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris ART is faster precisely because of that extra storage space used up. That's the code that doesn't need to be compiled every time, saving on power consumption too. If you can use it, you should. Aye the battery savings are simply mind blowing! http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/01...t-not-too-bad/

31-05-2014, 13:31	#37
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack See the post above. You say it isn't that much quicker, but it is still quicker, and even more so for slower devices like the Moto G. To me it's worth it, especially as it will eventually be the default.

31-05-2014, 13:47	#38
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack Aye the battery savings are simply mind blowing! http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/01...t-not-too-bad/ The saving on battery and time comes on launching apps. playing a 3 hour video on a loop is a ridiculous test. art is faster and soon to be the default. and that is reason enough for me.

31-05-2014, 13:55	#39
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Yes, the tests on the above site did appear to be from someone not fully aware of what it actually is or does!

31-05-2014, 14:19	#40
GeordiePaul Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 1,308	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles It's not in your own head. It is much faster. We have 2 Nexus 5's in the house and I pitted them side by side. App opening is far faster for a start. Agree though that the battery is much better than the nexus 4. I've tried both, I totally disagree with you, can you prove it is much faster please because I fail to see how it could be much quicker than it already is.

31-05-2014, 14:48	#41
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by GeordiePaul I've tried both, I totally disagree with you, can you prove it is much faster please because I fail to see how it could be much quicker than it already is. As I said, we have 2 in the house and I did one art and one Davlik. The art one was much faster opening apps and loading times were faster. Battery life is also better. Nothing to be proved really when that's what the idea behind it is!!

31-05-2014, 14:51	#42
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by The Sack if making an app open a split second here and a split second there is going to change your life then good on you fella, it wont actually make the app run faster, its a runtime not a processor overclocking magician, personally i prefer the extra storage space. As you are probably aware YouTube is full of videos like this http://youtu.be/KNuTpOjTEPI http://youtu.be/ptpsw9bozoA One day ART will be superb, just not yet. I don't think anyone has ever suggested it is a magician. What it is, is faster. I also never suggested it would change my life. I simply said it was faster, which it is.

31-05-2014, 18:00	#43
klendathu Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 10,726	I've had an Nexus 5 for 4 months , and can honestly say i've had nothing but problems. Signal drop outs across the board on Wifi, 3G ,4G, and screen freezing everyday . The cult of Nexus is not all it's cracked up to be be

31-05-2014, 18:03	#44
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by klendathu I've had an Nexus 5 for 4 months , and can honestly say i've had nothing but problems. Signal drop outs across the board on Wifi, 3G ,4G, and screen freezing everyday . The cult of Nexus is not all it's cracked up to be be Sounds like yours is faulty.

31-05-2014, 19:24	#45
TheVoid Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,642	Quote: Originally Posted by flagpole Sounds like yours is faulty. Agreed. Mine has been perfect.

01-06-2014, 10:30	#46
chenks Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Ayrshire Posts: 11,399	Quote: Originally Posted by klendathu I've had an Nexus 5 for 4 months , and can honestly say i've had nothing but problems. Signal drop outs across the board on Wifi, 3G ,4G, and screen freezing everyday . The cult of Nexus is not all it's cracked up to be be clearly a faulty device.

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01-06-2014, 10:38	#47
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by klendathu I've had an Nexus 5 for 4 months , and can honestly say i've had nothing but problems. Signal drop outs across the board on Wifi, 3G ,4G, and screen freezing everyday . The cult of Nexus is not all it's cracked up to be be Did you ever consider that you have a faulty unit?..... Or is it easier just to rubbish a whole line of phones because you are having a problem?...

01-06-2014, 10:38	#48
klendathu Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 10,726	Quote: Originally Posted by Stiggles Did you ever consider that you have a faulty unit?..... Or is it easier just to rubbish a whole line of phones because you are having a problem?... Its lucky you're here

01-06-2014, 10:41	#49
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by klendathu Its lucky you're here Lost me now.....

01-06-2014, 23:20	#50
jonner101 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,153	Ive been using the ART for a few months now on the N5. It seems pretty rock solid stable. It doesn't magically double the speed of the phone but it is most certainly noticeably real world quicker with better battery. It is clearly a better architecture and will get optimised even more in time. The JIT nature of Dalvik is a very unnecessary bottle neck for a modern smartphone. More and more applications will get optimised for ART in the future and it will become the default way of running Android apps.