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Matt Smiths Regeneration Good Or Bad
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Adam_Bray
26-05-2014
want to know your lot opinions on the time of the doctor regeneration sequence was it good or bad and was it a good send off for the 11th doctor
comedyfish
26-05-2014
On the tower, a bit OTT.

In the Tardis: great. Tear came to my eye! Loved the bow tie drop
Shot
Adam_Bray
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by comedyfish:
“On the tower, a bit OTT.

In the Tardis: great. Tear came to my eye! Loved the bow tie drop
Shot”


Yeah I think it was OTT with the big blow out smith is my favourite doctor and i will miss him the bow tie drop was really effective and was a really good send off to the 11th. What opinion on capaldi from what's known so far? will he be a good doctor
comedyfish
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by Adam_Bray:
“Yeah I think it was OTT with the big blow out smith is my favourite doctor and i will miss him the bow tie drop was really effective and was a really good send off to the 11th. What opinion on capaldi from what's known so far? will he be a good doctor”

Has there ever been a bad Doctor? Or a bigger fan playing one?

I can't see how he can fail. Well I can. If the viewers drop because they don't like Capaldi and they change his character to get them back . Leading to Capaldi not being comfortable/not playing the role he signed up for.


There are no bad Doctors, just bad scripts and production values. We don't gave to wory about the latter at the minute I don't think
Adam_Bray
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by comedyfish:
“Has there ever been a bad Doctor? Or a bigger fan playing one?

I can't see how he can fail. Well I can. If the viewers drop because they don't like Capaldi and they change his character to get them back . Leading to Capaldi not being comfortable/not playing the role he signed up for.


There are no bad Doctors, just bad scripts and production values. We don't gave to wory about the latter at the minute I don't think”

i think capaldi wont loose viewers but as he is so far only signed for series 8 its looking like loads of fans could love him and then hate him for leaving. i really
think he might change his mind and do another series if he is popular but he says that hes just steering it in another direction and making it different to smiths era and its probably going to get a hell of a lot more serious
Michael_Eve
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by Adam_Bray:
“want to know your lot opinions on the time of the doctor regeneration sequence was it good or bad and was it a good send off for the 11th doctor”

I was a bit of an emotional wreck by the end of the episode so job done, I think. Unsuprisingly thought Matt played a blinder.

I've got a good feeling about Peter C and think he'll be around for a while. The recent teaser, it was like, darn it. It's only May! Still, hopefully good things come...etc.
Kapellmeister
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by Adam_Bray:
“want to know your lot opinions on the time of the doctor regeneration sequence was it good or bad and was it a good send off for the 11th doctor”

The sudden switch between Smith and Capaldi was really effective but it didn't make up or the hour of turgid drivel that came before it. The 'old man in the tower' was risible.
Kapellmeister
26-05-2014
Originally Posted by comedyfish:
“Has there ever been a bad Doctor? Or a bigger fan playing one?

I can't see how he can fail. Well I can. If the viewers drop because they don't like Capaldi and they change his character to get them back . Leading to Capaldi not being comfortable/not playing the role he signed up for.


There are no bad Doctors, just bad scripts and production values. We don't gave to wory about the latter at the minute I don't think”

Colin Baker and, especially, McCoy spring to mind. Davison wasn't brilliant either when compared with Troughton, Pertwee and Tom Baker.
Josh Pinder
26-05-2014
I would adore if Capaldi stayed and did the usual 3 or 4 years....definitely at LEAST three full series of him...he looks fantastic by the images and promo bits we hav seen...which isnt too much but that speaks voumes.

ADORE Smith....he is my Doctor but darn i think Capaldi will be up there...just a vibe...cannot wait to see what he does.
comedyfish
27-05-2014
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“Colin Baker and, especially, McCoy spring to mind. Davison wasn't brilliant either when compared with Troughton, Pertwee and Tom Baker.”

well I disagree with all that!

(apart from 'when compared with.." which is changing the rules slightly!)
Philip_Lamb
27-05-2014
Crap. Why was there a Time war when all it took was the energy from one time lord regenerating?
And then having The Doctor die yet another lame death
comedyfish
27-05-2014
Originally Posted by Philip_Lamb:
“Crap. Why was there a Time war when all it took was the energy from one time lord regenerating?
And then having The Doctor die yet another lame death”

well to be fair this wasn't a normal regen - it was a whole new set.

The question should be how easy is it to do that? If its easy then yeah give everyone new sets of regens and blast the DALEKS to hell!


Thats the problem I had with it - it needed more explanation.

When the Master was offered a new set of Regens in The 5 Doctors do you think he would have done that too.

Here you go The Master a lovely new set of Regenerations for helping us...

CUT TO

Everything destroyed and the council with comedy soot faces

"...That might have been a mistake"
Philip_Lamb
27-05-2014
If it was that easy why'd the master also go through all the hassle of stealing a load of energy from the eye of harmony & Keepership of Traken when it'd have been easier to steal a new regeneration cycle?
Kapellmeister
27-05-2014
Originally Posted by comedyfish:
“well I disagree with all that!

(apart from 'when compared with.." which is changing the rules slightly!)”

Davison is ok, I guess, but Colin Baker and McCoy (especially) are undeniably of a lower standard compared with the earlier Doctors.
comedyfish
27-05-2014
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“Davison is ok, I guess, but Colin Baker and McCoy (especially) are undeniably of a lower standard compared with the earlier Doctors.”

yeah but you're ranking them - lowER you said.

I'm not saying all the Doctors are equally good, I;m saying in (IMO) there are no bad ones. 6 is one of my favourites because of the Audios - I blame his stories rather than the actor for TV.

McCoy is my least favourite but his Doctor is very interesting and again I totally blame some of the stories and production values for how he is perceived. (although I'll never get over his first story when he comically fell down the steps.. oh boy!
johnnysaucepn
27-05-2014
Originally Posted by Adam_Bray:
“i think capaldi wont loose viewers but as he is so far only signed for series 8 its looking like loads of fans could love him and then hate him for leaving. i really
think he might change his mind and do another series if he is popular but he says that hes just steering it in another direction and making it different to smiths era and its probably going to get a hell of a lot more serious”

This is an unsubstantiated rumour, and one that comes up every time a new Doctor is cast. Unless someone can actually provide a source for any info on contract length or salaries, take them with a large pinch of salt.
Mulett
27-05-2014
I liked his speech, and Amy's imagined return to the TARDIS was a nice touch too. But the moment of change itself was a bit sudden for me. It felt as though they'd forgotten to add the special effects.
daveyboy7472
27-05-2014
Originally Posted by comedyfish:
“yeah but you're ranking them - lowER you said.

I'm not saying all the Doctors are equally good, I;m saying in (IMO) there are no bad ones. 6 is one of my favourites because of the Audios - I blame his stories rather than the actor for TV.

McCoy is my least favourite but his Doctor is very interesting and again I totally blame some of the stories and production values for how he is perceived. (although I'll never get over his first story when he comically fell down the steps.. oh boy!”

Seeing things at face value isn't always a positive thing. I agree with most of your post in that behind the scenes factors and the quality of stories are more at fault than the 6th and 7th Doctors themselves.

As for the Matt Smith regeneration, not great, not great at all.

TheSilentFez
27-05-2014
I really liked Matt Smith's final scenes as the Doctor, but the actual regeneration itself was pathetic. The special effects were incredibly poor (so poor that many of the SFX in Classic Who regenerations were far superior) and they didn't seem to be able to keep the camera in the same position.

The regeneration story itself wasn't terrible, but it could have been better, IMO.
YorkshireKat
27-05-2014
The bit on the tower was OTT but I liked what went on inside the Tardis. I did miss the face morph bit though what happened was a bit to quick!
CAMERA OBSCURA
27-05-2014
I actually liked the big bombastic bell tower regeneration, thought it was pretty cool as a one off.

I assume the quick change from 11 to 12 was because all the regeneration 'fireworks' had already happened and 11 in the Tardis afterwards was 12 using that 'clothes' cloaking device.

That said I personally feel that 12 should have come walking out of the rubble left by 11 kindly flattening the town he protected for hundreds of years.
CD93
27-05-2014
We didn't need two explosive regenerations in two scenes - but a subtle morph would still have been appreciated. But then, this is Moffat Who - expect the unexpected at every turn, it would seem.

The bow tie drop had been four years in the making
Mulett
27-05-2014
Originally Posted by CAMERA OBSCURA:
“That said I personally feel that 12 should have come walking out of the rubble left by 11 kindly flattening the town he protected for hundreds of years.”

Whilst I do genuinely like that idea, I can't help but feel it would lead to several years of debate on this forum (and others) as to whether the 12th Doctor is a fake and that the real Doctor was left under that pile of rubble. And that he was really Clara all along. Or something.
CAMERA OBSCURA
27-05-2014
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“Whilst I do genuinely like that idea, I can't help but feel it would lead to several years of debate on this forum (and others) as to whether the 12th Doctor is a fake and that the real Doctor was left under that pile of rubble. And that he was really Clara all along. Or something.”

The Rani


thorr
27-05-2014
The whole concept of the time lords couriering through a package of new regenerations was pretty poor IMHO. Furthermore, it was clear the Moffatt rushed through to the 13th regeration, just so he could be the one to write how the dr continued past his limit, and tie it up with the anniversary year. It felt contrived and a little overblown. Sometimes sci-fi is at its worst when it has to explain a reason why some things occur, whereas a little mystery with a nod and wink are better. I would have liked to see a fourteenth regeneration just 'happen' such that dr doesn't even know why, and just leave it at that. Not so much Dr Who...more Dr How?
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