[wavejockglw]

"The new tariffs, called Big Bundles, come with three levels - £10 per month, £15 per month and £20 per month. Each Big Bundle offers double the minutes, texts and data of the previous Big Bundle. The £15 and £20 options also include 4G for no extra cost, dependant on 4G coverage and handset type.

Big Bundles, available from this week, give customers the choice of one of three Big Bundles costing £10, £15 or £20 per month, with each offering double the minutes, texts and data of the previous Big Bundle. The £15 and £20 options also include 1Gb and 2GB of 4G respectively at no extra cost, dependant on 4G coverage and handset type."

http://www.mobiletoday.co.uk/news-li...g_tariffs.aspx

[jchamier]

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

dependant on 4G coverage

O2 just need some big growth in 4G coverage outside of cities now.

[Everything Goes]

Please note calls on O2 Pay & Go will be billed by the minute, rounding up to the nearest minute.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05..._data_tariffs/

[Thine Wonk]

http://www.o2.co.uk/pricechange

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On the 29th May, we're adjusting our prices on our Pay & Go tariffs, for the first time in nearly 5 years. We know that price rises are never welcome and we haven't taken this decision lightly

Per minute billing

This change affects UK calls to UK landlines and mobiles (including video calls). Instead of charging our customers a one minute minimum for these calls (and then by the second for any call lasting more than a minute), we will round all calls up to the nearest minute. This means that:

A call lasting less than 1 minute will continue to be rounded up to, and charged as 1 minute. There will be no change in this scenario.
However, a call lasting more than a minute will be treated differently. For example, whereas in the past a call lasting 1m 21s would've been billed as 1m 21s, it will now be billed at 2m.
The changes will apply to calls that are made in bundle (i.e. within a tariff or Bolt On allowance) as well as out of bundle calls. It is worth noting that O2 are the last of the major operators (including EE and Vodafone) to move to per minute billing for UK landline and mobile calls on Pay & Go.

Removal of the daily declining call rate

The daily declining call rate for UK calls to UK landlines and O2 mobiles is something that exists today as standard as part of all Talkalot and Talkalot 08 based tariffs. It means that on any given day, the first 3 minutes are currently charged at 25p per minute, with all calls thereafter dropping to 2p (Talkalot) or 5p (Talkalot 08) per minute.

When the changes come into effect, we will charge people on Talkalot and Talkalot 08 based tariffs a flat rate of 25p per minute charge for all UK calls to UK landlines and O2 mobiles that are made out of bundle (i.e. outside a tariff or Bolt On allowance). The daily declining call rate will no longer exist.

Picture Message (MMS) price change

We are changing the price of sending a picture message (MMS) from 25p to 35p that are sent out of bundle (i.e. outside a tariff or Bolt On allowance)

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[jabbamk1]

Meh,

Three's 321 + add ons are better.

[jonmorris]

Wow, that's some increase. Well done O2.

[Zee_Bukhari]

£20 per month for 2GB of data?

[ard100]

What are the call charges once you have used all your min & txt up and what are the data charges once you have used your data up?

Asda & Sainsburys & Co op mobile are much cheaper than this and so is 3 if you can get coverage.

Also forgot 02 still compress web images and video aswell on 4g

[Thine Wonk]

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Originally Posted by ard100

What are the call charges once you have used all your min & txt up and what are the data charges once you have used your data up?

Asda & Sainsburys & Co op mobile are much cheaper than this and so is 3 if you can get coverage.

Also forgot 02 still compress web images and video aswell on 4g

You can bypass image compression.

[ard100]

how ?

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

You can bypass image compression.

[Thine Wonk]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ard100

how ?

APN: mobile.o2.co.uk
Username: bypass
Password: password

[ard100]

Thanks thats good to know does that work on tesco mobile aswell.

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

APN: mobile.o2.co.uk
Username: bypass
Password: password

[Thine Wonk]

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Originally Posted by ard100

Thanks thats good to know does that work on tesco mobile aswell.

No idea about Tesco I'm afraid, somebody here might though.

[wavejockglw]

It's easy to check what O2 are offering on their PAYG tariffs, just follow the link below and they include a link on that webpage that explains out of bundle charges:

http://www.o2.co.uk/tariffs/payandgo

[mogzyboy]

Bit pricey, that. Wouldn't recommend that to anybody.

[d123]

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Originally Posted by mogzyboy

Bit pricey, that. Wouldn't recommend that to anybody.

Agreed, you'd have to be an ardent O2 fan who hated every other network to think this was anything even approaching a good deal.

Complete ripoff (something O2 seem pretty good at).

[wavejockglw]

2GB of data will suit many as it's about the average that 3 users consume. £20 for 400 mins, SMS, 2GB of 4G data, Wi-Fi and additional benefits - not the best deal but not a total rip off either.

It's all about branding and perceived value and one only has to look at the popularity and expansion of Waitrose to get a handle on how higher priced products appeal to some people when marketed in an attractive way. Not everyone wants the cheapest deal, if they did there would be no opportunity for premium products, services or retailers and there are plenty of them making a very healthy profit.

[Thine Wonk]

Quote:

Originally Posted by wavejockglw

2GB of data will suit many as it's about the average that 3 users consume. £20 for 400 mins, SMS, 2GB of 4G data, Wi-Fi and additional benefits - not the best deal but not a total rip off either.

It's all about branding and perceived value and one only has to look at the popularity and expansion of Waitrose to get a handle on how higher priced products appeal to some people when marketed in an attractive way. Not everyone wants the cheapest deal, if they did there would be no opportunity for premium products, services or retailers and there are plenty of them making a very healthy profit.

The thing with Waitrose is, they sell branded goods, but they also sell a selection of their own premium produce and do so in a nice, well presented environment.

O2's PAYG plans are just, well minutes texts and data. You can get more for less on the same network from MVNOs and much more for much less from other networks.

[jonmorris]

The supermarket analogy also fails because for a lot of people O2 is like a company charging Waitrose prices for Iceland products.

[wavejockglw]

There would be two moons in the sky if any sensible analogy gained acceptance from some on here who spend most of their time chasing after my contributions to attempt to discredit them. Suffice to say that O2s new 4G will appeal to some and with the marketing push now in full swing I expext they will drive more of their customers on to 4G which is progress.

[d123]

Quote:

Originally Posted by wavejockglw

2GB of data will suit many as it's about the average that 3 users consume. £20 for 400 mins, SMS, 2GB of 4G data, Wi-Fi and additional benefits - not the best deal but not a total rip off either.

It's all about branding and perceived value and one only has to look at the popularity and expansion of Waitrose to get a handle on how higher priced products appeal to some people when marketed in an attractive way. Not everyone wants the cheapest deal, if they did there would be no opportunity for premium products, services or retailers and there are plenty of them making a very healthy profit.

It is a rip off, I would expect a decent phone included at that price for such restricted data and minutes.

EE were doing the iPhone 5c on a plan recently that offered 2GB 4G data, unlimited calls, unlimited text for £23 last week.

[wavejockglw]

Hard to compare a PAYG monthly tariff with no commitment to one with a 24 month minimum contract. It has to be remembered that not all customers who apply can get contracts for a variety of reasons.

O2's £20 buys 2048MB of data, 4000 SMS and 400 inclusive minutes. They also include Wi-Fi and Priority Moments exclusive deals.

If you used the same on 3's 321 PAYG tariff it would cost £20.48 for the data, £80 for the SMS, and £12 for the inclusive calls making a grand total of £112.48!

3 offer other monthly PAYG deals for SIM only customers including one at £23 which offers 2000 minutes, 5000 SMS and 'All You Can Eat' Data.

It's easy to find deals that better others but many customers remain with networks they are familiar with and who they feel offer them good service even if that means they don't get the best deal available. Not everyone wants to shop at Lidl, Aldi and B&M's which is good news for Sainsburys, Marks and Spencer and Waitrose, all of whom sell very similar products at much higher prices!

There is a market for premium priced services and O2 offer that proposition. They also have a 50% share in Tesco Mobile and their own GiffGaff offering for price conscious customers of course. One size does not fit all and having a presence in different market segments makes very good business sense.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

If you used the same on 3's 321 PAYG tariff it would cost £20.48 for the data, £80 for the SMS, and £12 for the inclusive calls making a grand total of £112.48!

Brilliant haha!

Love how you're comparing an add on/bolt on to a standard rate service.

To keep it fair i'm going to quote O2's pay as you go prices here which are 25p a minute, 12p a text and £1 per day for internet. Three offer 3p a min, 2p a text and 1p a mb. It's clear to see that Three's offer is miles better.

As you say, On Three it would cost £112 on this standard rate, On O2 it would cost over £600 on a standard rate package.

If you compare like for like which is an add on for an add on then O2 offer 200 Minutes, 2000 texts and 1GB of 4G data for £15. Three offer 300 Minutes, 3000 texts and unlimited data for £15. Once again, Three's offer is better.

If you're going to be bias then at least get the facts right ok. Don't just compare two completely different things just to make your point.

[Thine Wonk]

Quote:

Originally Posted by wavejockglw

There is a market for overpriced services and O2 offer that proposition.

I have corrected your typo for you.

[jonmorris]

Wavejock decided on the supermarket analogy which clearly didn't work.

I accept that people can and do pay more for what they perceive to be a better product or service - and everyone is free to choose as they see fit. I don't tell everyone to go on Three, and my days as a phone dealer are long over.

Wavejock likes to mention RootMetrics when it suits him, and I did a quick scan around some parts of Glasgow and could see that it was pretty good (in the case of O2) so fair enough, but down here in the south east - from Hertfordshire down to London, you can also see the results showing those 0.01Mbps results - and not on 2G either; that's 3G!

As I said, for a lot of people O2 is a very poor service. Far poorer (IN MY OPINION) than Three, where slow speeds are around 1-2Mbps, not 0.01Mbps! There's slow and there's SLOOOOW.

Of course, O2's 4G service is very good but the rollout seems to be going at a fairly slow pace looking at the coverage maps. Even in the south east there are many holes still waiting to be filled (and, YES, Three is even further behind than that for 4G).