O2 4G standard on new PAYG plans

Thine Wonk · 31-05-2014, 20:39

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Brilliant haha!

Love how you're comparing an add on/bolt on to a standard rate service.

To keep it fair i'm going to quote O2's pay as you go prices here which are 25p a minute, 12p a text and £1 per day for internet. Three offer 3p a min, 2p a text and 1p a mb. It's clear to see that Three's offer is miles better.

If you compare like for like which is an add on for an add on then O2 offer 200 Minutes, 2000 texts and 1GB of 4G data for £15. Three offer 300 Minutes, 30000 texts and unlimited data for £15. Once again, Three's offer is better.

If you're going to be bias then at least get the facts right ok. Don't just compare two completely different things just to make your point.

Lets do Wavejock's calculation the other way now. If you compare Three's 3-2-1 standard rate to O2's cheapest flat rate service, so on both services without a bolt-on.

Come on Jabbamk1, do the maths - EDIT oh I see you already did £112 on Three and £600 on O2.

wavejockglw · 31-05-2014, 20:44

The usual cavalry charge.........to try and discredit....... why?

I DID MENTION 3's PAYG monthly tariff option..... the £23 one!!!! That compares to O2's with more inclusive benefits but I guess that was not enough to satisfy!

The point being made is that comparing contract deals is not realistic when evaluating PAYG tariffs with no commitment.

I guess the same persistent individuals who keep responding to my input here and make their usual attempts to post anything possible to discredit any post I make will continue and I have no doubt that that repeated behaviour has been noted by many others who regularly read the forum.

I can predict with almost 100% certainty what will follow every post I make here now!

jabbamk1 · 31-05-2014, 20:52

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

The usual cavalry charge.........to try and discredit....... why?

Because your posts are always full of bias crap.

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

I DID MENTION 3's PAYG monthly tariff option..... the £23 one!!!! That compares to O2's with more inclusive benefits but I guess that was not enough to satisfy!

That's contract. Not pay as you go. Funny how you also quoted the highest price three contract to make O2 seem cheaper when in fact there are cheaper monthly deals from Three at £12.90 and £18.90 which give a better allowance than O2's plans at £15 and £20.

But like I said, that's contract, not pay as you go so the two are not comparable. As you said yourself in an earlier post. But obviously you;ll deny the fact that you just contradicted yourself.

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

Hard to compare a PAYG monthly tariff with no commitment to one with a 24 month minimum contract.

That's the quote where you contradicted yourself and said you can't compare pay as you go to contract but then preceded to compare O2's pay as you go with Three's contract offering which requires 30 day notice to cancel.

But hey, it's not like I expected you to say Three had any good deals/is a good network so whatever.

wavejockglw · 31-05-2014, 21:02

The £23 deal is the closest to the £20 O2 deal.......

3's £12.90 1 month rolling SIM only is for 1GB of data only or 200 inclusive minutes.

To get close to O2's offer you have to buy 3's £23 deal to get the same number of minutes, texts and data on the same type of plan.

Once the allowance goes beyond a level it becomes academic as most don't use 1000's of texts and massive amounts of minutes and data consumption is averaged at about 2GB a month for 3's users anyway. So the £23 a month 1 month 3 SIM only tariff is the closest comparison realistically to O2's Big Bundle £20 a month offering.

Thine Wonk · 31-05-2014, 21:07

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

The £23 deal is the closest to the £20 O2 deal.......

3's £12.90 1 month rolling SIM only is for 1GB of data only or 200 inclusive minutes.

To get close to O2's offer you have to buy 3's £23 deal to get the same number of minutes, texts and data on the same type of plan.

Once the allowance goes beyond a level it becomes academic as most don't use 1000's of texts and massive amounts of minutes and data consumption is averaged at about 2GB a month for 3's users anyway. So the £23 a month 1 month 3 SIM only tariff is the closest comparison realistically to O2's Big Bundle £20 a month offering.

It actually isn't, the 2GB quoted previously was from Three, but related to the average One Plan unlimited user. Data usage is much lower on the fixed plans, I guess because those that bought the unlimited and spent more knew they were heavier users, whereas the people that buy the 1 and 2GB plans tend to use a lot less.

I think I'm correct in saying O2's average data use per user is 300MB.

jabbamk1 · 31-05-2014, 21:22

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

The £23 deal is the closest to the £20 O2 deal.......

3's £12.90 1 month rolling SIM only is for 1GB of data only or 200 inclusive minutes.

To get close to O2's offer you have to buy 3's £23 deal to get the same number of minutes, texts and data on the same type of plan.

Once the allowance goes beyond a level it becomes academic as most don't use 1000's of texts and massive amounts of minutes and data consumption is averaged at about 2GB a month for 3's users anyway. So the £23 a month 1 month 3 SIM only tariff is the closest comparison realistically to O2's Big Bundle £20 a month offering.

Three's £18.90 is better than the £20 O2 pay as you go deal.
Three's £12.90 is better than the £15 O2 pay as you go deal.

Read my posts properly and do your research rather than posting your bias crap.

Once again you fail to admit you're wrong.

Also you've failed to take into account Three's pay as you go deals and are once again contradicting yourself by comparing pay as you go to contract.

Can you honestly not see how hypocritical you're being.

wavejockglw · 31-05-2014, 21:28

It seems to be that the same contributors appear within minutes of my posts to make challenges and attempt to personalise and discredit anything I have stated.

Perhaps the time has come for DS to investigate what is happening as there is a clear pattern of activity involving the same small group ganging up on one individual on the mobile phone forum.

I shall allow that possibility to be considered and move on to other topics where I hope the same does not occur ....... but if it does......I will make the appropriate representation to have it stopped permanently as those involved are on my ignore list and are not responded to in any personal manner.

jabbamk1 · 31-05-2014, 21:31

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

It seems to be that the same contributors appear within minutes of my posts to make challenges and attempt to discredit anything I have stated.

But the stuff you've posted is wrong...

No one is trying to discredit you, it's just some of the stuff you posted is incorrect. So we are correcting you. (because you always post incorrect bias stuff about one network).

wavejockglw · 31-05-2014, 21:35

I have moved on from this predictable witch hunt.......

I hope others may be able to discuss the latest O2 PAYG 4G deals without antagonism and other contributors repeated promotion of their favoured networks.

The evidence....... "Back on topic. As I mentioned before, 3's Pay as you go offers are better".

But the topic was O2's 4G PAYG.......

I am leaving this to others to attempt to discuss...... I am sure they won't be subject to similar hostile attention but I am also very sure they won't be able to make any reasonable point without being shouted down!

d123 · 31-05-2014, 21:53

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

Hard to compare a PAYG monthly tariff with no commitment to one with a 24 month minimum contract. It has to be remembered that not all customers who apply can get contracts for a variety of reasons.

O2's £20 buys 2048MB of data, 4000 SMS and 400 inclusive minutes. They also include Wi-Fi and Priority Moments exclusive deals.

If you used the same on 3's 321 PAYG tariff it would cost £20.48 for the data, £80 for the SMS, and £12 for the inclusive calls making a grand total of £112.48!

3 offer other monthly PAYG deals for SIM only customers including one at £23 which offers 2000 minutes, 5000 SMS and 'All You Can Eat' Data.

Is your knowledge really that poor? What on earth is a "monthly PAYG deal for sim only customers"? You then appear to be describing the One Plan which has nothing to do with PAYG.

The correct PAYG comparison on Three would be £15 for 300 minutes, 3000 texts and unlimited data.

On what you like to call a "monthly PAYG for sim only customers" (aka a sim only contract), the correct comparison would be £12.90 for 200 minutes, 5000 text and unlimited data.

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

It's easy to find deals that better others but many customers remain with networks they are familiar with and who they feel offer them good service even if that means they don't get the best deal available. Not everyone wants to shop at Lidl, Aldi and B&M's which is good news for Sainsburys, Marks and Spencer and Waitrose, all of whom sell very similar products at much higher prices!

There is a market for premium priced services and O2 offer that proposition. They also have a 50% share in Tesco Mobile and their own GiffGaff offering for price conscious customers of course. One size does not fit all and having a presence in different market segments makes very good business sense.

O2 premium? Are you having a laugh, in your supermarket analogy O2 would be The Pound Shop (but charging £10 per item). The only thing premium about O2 PAYG is the price.

31-05-2014, 20:39	#26
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by jabbamk1 Brilliant haha! Love how you're comparing an add on/bolt on to a standard rate service. To keep it fair i'm going to quote O2's pay as you go prices here which are 25p a minute, 12p a text and £1 per day for internet. Three offer 3p a min, 2p a text and 1p a mb. It's clear to see that Three's offer is miles better. If you compare like for like which is an add on for an add on then O2 offer 200 Minutes, 2000 texts and 1GB of 4G data for £15. Three offer 300 Minutes, 30000 texts and unlimited data for £15. Once again, Three's offer is better. If you're going to be bias then at least get the facts right ok. Don't just compare two completely different things just to make your point. Lets do Wavejock's calculation the other way now. If you compare Three's 3-2-1 standard rate to O2's cheapest flat rate service, so on both services without a bolt-on. Come on Jabbamk1, do the maths - EDIT oh I see you already did £112 on Three and £600 on O2.

31-05-2014, 20:44	#27
wavejockglw Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 10,276	The usual cavalry charge.........to try and discredit....... why? I DID MENTION 3's PAYG monthly tariff option..... the £23 one!!!! That compares to O2's with more inclusive benefits but I guess that was not enough to satisfy! The point being made is that comparing contract deals is not realistic when evaluating PAYG tariffs with no commitment. I guess the same persistent individuals who keep responding to my input here and make their usual attempts to post anything possible to discredit any post I make will continue and I have no doubt that that repeated behaviour has been noted by many others who regularly read the forum. I can predict with almost 100% certainty what will follow every post I make here now!

31-05-2014, 20:52	#28
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw The usual cavalry charge.........to try and discredit....... why? Because your posts are always full of bias crap. Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw I DID MENTION 3's PAYG monthly tariff option..... the £23 one!!!! That compares to O2's with more inclusive benefits but I guess that was not enough to satisfy! That's contract. Not pay as you go. Funny how you also quoted the highest price three contract to make O2 seem cheaper when in fact there are cheaper monthly deals from Three at £12.90 and £18.90 which give a better allowance than O2's plans at £15 and £20. But like I said, that's contract, not pay as you go so the two are not comparable. As you said yourself in an earlier post. But obviously you;ll deny the fact that you just contradicted yourself. Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw Hard to compare a PAYG monthly tariff with no commitment to one with a 24 month minimum contract. That's the quote where you contradicted yourself and said you can't compare pay as you go to contract but then preceded to compare O2's pay as you go with Three's contract offering which requires 30 day notice to cancel. But hey, it's not like I expected you to say Three had any good deals/is a good network so whatever.

31-05-2014, 21:02	#29
wavejockglw Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 10,276	The £23 deal is the closest to the £20 O2 deal....... 3's £12.90 1 month rolling SIM only is for 1GB of data only or 200 inclusive minutes. To get close to O2's offer you have to buy 3's £23 deal to get the same number of minutes, texts and data on the same type of plan. Once the allowance goes beyond a level it becomes academic as most don't use 1000's of texts and massive amounts of minutes and data consumption is averaged at about 2GB a month for 3's users anyway. So the £23 a month 1 month 3 SIM only tariff is the closest comparison realistically to O2's Big Bundle £20 a month offering.

31-05-2014, 21:07	#30
Thine Wonk Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 14,577	Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw The £23 deal is the closest to the £20 O2 deal....... 3's £12.90 1 month rolling SIM only is for 1GB of data only or 200 inclusive minutes. To get close to O2's offer you have to buy 3's £23 deal to get the same number of minutes, texts and data on the same type of plan. Once the allowance goes beyond a level it becomes academic as most don't use 1000's of texts and massive amounts of minutes and data consumption is averaged at about 2GB a month for 3's users anyway. So the £23 a month 1 month 3 SIM only tariff is the closest comparison realistically to O2's Big Bundle £20 a month offering. It actually isn't, the 2GB quoted previously was from Three, but related to the average One Plan unlimited user. Data usage is much lower on the fixed plans, I guess because those that bought the unlimited and spent more knew they were heavier users, whereas the people that buy the 1 and 2GB plans tend to use a lot less. I think I'm correct in saying O2's average data use per user is 300MB.

31-05-2014, 21:22	#31
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw The £23 deal is the closest to the £20 O2 deal....... 3's £12.90 1 month rolling SIM only is for 1GB of data only or 200 inclusive minutes. To get close to O2's offer you have to buy 3's £23 deal to get the same number of minutes, texts and data on the same type of plan. Once the allowance goes beyond a level it becomes academic as most don't use 1000's of texts and massive amounts of minutes and data consumption is averaged at about 2GB a month for 3's users anyway. So the £23 a month 1 month 3 SIM only tariff is the closest comparison realistically to O2's Big Bundle £20 a month offering. Three's £18.90 is better than the £20 O2 pay as you go deal. Three's £12.90 is better than the £15 O2 pay as you go deal. Read my posts properly and do your research rather than posting your bias crap. Once again you fail to admit you're wrong. Also you've failed to take into account Three's pay as you go deals and are once again contradicting yourself by comparing pay as you go to contract. Can you honestly not see how hypocritical you're being.

31-05-2014, 21:28	#32
wavejockglw Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 10,276	It seems to be that the same contributors appear within minutes of my posts to make challenges and attempt to personalise and discredit anything I have stated. Perhaps the time has come for DS to investigate what is happening as there is a clear pattern of activity involving the same small group ganging up on one individual on the mobile phone forum. I shall allow that possibility to be considered and move on to other topics where I hope the same does not occur ....... but if it does......I will make the appropriate representation to have it stopped permanently as those involved are on my ignore list and are not responded to in any personal manner.

31-05-2014, 21:31	#33
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw It seems to be that the same contributors appear within minutes of my posts to make challenges and attempt to discredit anything I have stated. But the stuff you've posted is wrong... No one is trying to discredit you, it's just some of the stuff you posted is incorrect. So we are correcting you. (because you always post incorrect bias stuff about one network).

31-05-2014, 21:35	#34
wavejockglw Inactive Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow Posts: 10,276	I have moved on from this predictable witch hunt....... I hope others may be able to discuss the latest O2 PAYG 4G deals without antagonism and other contributors repeated promotion of their favoured networks. The evidence....... "Back on topic. As I mentioned before, 3's Pay as you go offers are better". But the topic was O2's 4G PAYG....... I am leaving this to others to attempt to discuss...... I am sure they won't be subject to similar hostile attention but I am also very sure they won't be able to make any reasonable point without being shouted down!

31-05-2014, 21:53	#35
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw Hard to compare a PAYG monthly tariff with no commitment to one with a 24 month minimum contract. It has to be remembered that not all customers who apply can get contracts for a variety of reasons. O2's £20 buys 2048MB of data, 4000 SMS and 400 inclusive minutes. They also include Wi-Fi and Priority Moments exclusive deals. If you used the same on 3's 321 PAYG tariff it would cost £20.48 for the data, £80 for the SMS, and £12 for the inclusive calls making a grand total of £112.48! 3 offer other monthly PAYG deals for SIM only customers including one at £23 which offers 2000 minutes, 5000 SMS and 'All You Can Eat' Data. Is your knowledge really that poor? What on earth is a "monthly PAYG deal for sim only customers"? You then appear to be describing the One Plan which has nothing to do with PAYG. The correct PAYG comparison on Three would be £15 for 300 minutes, 3000 texts and unlimited data. On what you like to call a "monthly PAYG for sim only customers" (aka a sim only contract), the correct comparison would be £12.90 for 200 minutes, 5000 text and unlimited data. Quote: Originally Posted by wavejockglw It's easy to find deals that better others but many customers remain with networks they are familiar with and who they feel offer them good service even if that means they don't get the best deal available. Not everyone wants to shop at Lidl, Aldi and B&M's which is good news for Sainsburys, Marks and Spencer and Waitrose, all of whom sell very similar products at much higher prices! There is a market for premium priced services and O2 offer that proposition. They also have a 50% share in Tesco Mobile and their own GiffGaff offering for price conscious customers of course. One size does not fit all and having a presence in different market segments makes very good business sense. O2 premium? Are you having a laugh, in your supermarket analogy O2 would be The Pound Shop (but charging £10 per item). The only thing premium about O2 PAYG is the price.

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