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Old 30-05-2014, 02:29
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I will preface this by saying I've been a bit ill recently so apologies if this has all been discussed before, I appreciate that it's a little old but I've been catching up recently and it has really bothered me...

First we have Lady Gaga claiming peace and love and anti-bullying rubbish, then she is making sly digs at Katy Perry over "copying" green hair and wooden horses as if she is the queen of originality herself!!

Then even futher back with her vomiting performance she is claiming it was art which then made many young kids no older than 13 or 14 posting photos of themselves vomiting and calling it "art for Gaga" on twitter and her own website, of course not a peep from her telling these children to stop being so stupid...

More recently her interview where she references lip synching... shouldn't she focus on making her stuff actually good like it was in the past instead of what other people are doing??

Glad I got that all out! She really comes across as the biggest hypocrite in the industry!!
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Old 30-05-2014, 04:39
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I think she had big reality check or some sort of breakdown around the Artpop release, tweeting crap like "Gags didn't go #1 Katy is better than Gaga" she contradicts herself every time she opens her mouth, she should go away and find her self again, she's an absolute tragic mess atm
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Old 30-05-2014, 06:00
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Most pretentious certainly.
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Old 30-05-2014, 06:26
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Gaga's not self-righteous. At least, no more than most other artists and a damn sight less than, say, Bono, John Lennon and Liam Gallagher are/ were. As Alrightmate says, she's definitely up there when it come to pretentiousness, but then again, if she wasn't, she probably wouldn't have had much if any impact in the music industry for anyone to constantly be talking about her in the first place.
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Old 30-05-2014, 08:27
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You know how in Lord of the rings, it says "one ring to rule them all"

When Lady gaga does boast about her albums, she does as if they are one album to rule them all
I don't dislike her and am a fan and will stand up for when needed, but my small issue with her is when she bigs her albums too much

Born this way was meant to be the album to define the generation
Artpop was meant to take pop music to a different place and be groundbreaking

Both albums were great but neither did any of what she claimed for them to do
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Old 30-05-2014, 09:47
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I found the lip syncing comments odd as during the BTW tour there is a video of her vomiting on stage yet the backing track still plays and her vocals are intact. So she was lip syncing to a heavy backing track. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1LLhm3icpQ

I just can't take a thing she says seriously anymore and I loved this woman back in 2009/2010.

She is the perfect example of someone who believes their own hype and becomes an ugly person because of it.

To be honest though. I think her real issue is drugs. She seems off her face all the
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Old 30-05-2014, 11:25
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I think her current disillusionment and bitterness is due in no small part to her fading star. I am the first to call her up on her pretentious attitude lack of musical progression and delusions in all things. But it must be so hard to see your self descend while someone who was in the shadows continues to ascend while many more come up to bit her on her arse. It's no wonder as of late she's been a bit more vocal and somewhat out of sorts.
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Old 30-05-2014, 13:38
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Like most people, I think she says stuff which makes me love her, and stuff which I really don't like. Im not fond of some of her more bizarre antics. And the tweet about Katy Perry and the green hair really was uncalled for. She knows how silly her younger fans are with some of these ridiculous 'fan wars' . I have no idea why she would want to encourage that, I kind of still hope it was one of her team which put that tweet out and not her personally...
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Old 30-05-2014, 13:54
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I hoped she would have learned her lesson from overhyping Born This Way, but no, she instead laid it on 10x thicker.

She has humiliated herself with ARTPOP, calling it some revolution, with that ridiculous press release claiming it to be "a reverse Warholian expedition". She's become all talk and no action, Katy outclassed her with a simple pop song with no bells and whistles and Gaga has been bitter about that ever since.

It's time she truly stripped all the nonsense back and went back to the essence of her artistry. It seems like most of the public are just fed up of her attention seeking stunts. She is so contradictory lately, promoting peace and equality on the one hand, while tweeting nasty digs at Katy Perry and other artists on the other.

And then there's all the other ridiculous projects she has done for attention, like Volantis, the pointless flying dress that crashed at the public launch. It just all seems completely unnecessary, she needs to go back to the drawing board immediately, because all of her self-fabricated drama has put her on borrowed time.
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Old 30-05-2014, 15:35
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I don't dislike her and am a fan and will stand up for when needed, but my small issue with her is when she bigs her albums too much

Born this way was meant to be the album to define the generation
Artpop was meant to take pop music to a different place and be groundbreaking

Both albums were great but neither did any of what she claimed for them to do
Maybe "self-righteous" was the wrong word and pretentious the better one, apologies all. I have alerted to have the title changed. I agree with you though, she needs to stop hyping her own stuff because personally I don't think Born The Way or Artpop were any good at all apart from a few songs like Marry The Night, You And I and Gypsy.

She's incredibly talented but needs to stop with the drama and publicity stunts. When it's just Gaga and a piano, she's great. It's the other stuff that ruins everything. Am I alone thinking that?
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Old 30-05-2014, 15:43
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Gwen Stefani was unbearable when she had those Japanese girls following her around. Most of them are pretty pretentious. Goes with the territory I suppose
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Old 30-05-2014, 15:44
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Maybe "self-righteous" was the wrong word and pretentious the better one, apologies all. I have alerted to have the title changed. I agree with you though, she needs to stop hyping her own stuff because personally I don't think Born The Way or Artpop were any good at all apart from a few songs like Marry The Night, You And I and Gypsy.

She's incredibly talented but needs to stop with the drama and publicity stunts. When it's just Gaga and a piano, she's great. It's the other stuff that ruins everything. Am I alone thinking that?
Not at all
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Old 30-05-2014, 15:47
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Gwen Stefani was unbearable when she had those Japanese girls following her around. Most of them are pretty pretentious. Goes with the territory I suppose
True enough but she never claimed her music was anything more than what it was which was brilliant pop L.A.M.B is still fantastic.

And I agree with other posters her constant hyping up of what really is just average elctro pop is entirely detrimental to her. Saying BTW was the generation defining album when it was messy and pretty average really did start to turn people off. Including trying to coin in the pink pound with that overblown and patronising BTW really did switch people off.

If she could just release a decent album and back it up with decent promo she'd be so much better off.
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Old 30-05-2014, 15:59
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I think Gaga has always had a spiteful streak. I remember the Christina Aguilera summer of 2010. It was brutal. Gaga knew full well what her ''friends'' and a lot of her Lil Monsters were doing. I say good on Christina for not rising to anyone of it and being the bigger person by agreeing to perform with Gaga on The Voice. The fact Perez did the same to Gaga as he did to Christina was pure and simple KARMA. No other way around it. I actually cringe at her comments about Perez because when he was bad mouthing people when defending her she loved it. As soon as it switches and starts saying bad stuff about her she is being 'bullied by a man!' and 'stalked'. Stupid woman. Now she knows how the likes of Christina felt.

Gaga also tried the same trick with Madonna but failed after the Born This Way mash up. Madonna very cleverly won that whole argument as she highlighted how similar the songs were by merging them together. Gaga had no comeback other than to play innocent victim. Even Elton John made an arse of himself and had to apologise over that whole thing. Classic

Gaga is the classic bully who pits themselves as a victim. She cannot have too much of a go at Katy because Gaga knows Katy is now more popular. I bet deep down she is dying to let rip.
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Old 30-05-2014, 16:29
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Gwen Stefani was unbearable when she had those Japanese girls following her around. Most of them are pretty pretentious. Goes with the territory I suppose
In what way she was unbearable? Gwen never bigged her music to be something it wasn't and she wasn't always feeling sorry for herself and being a victim

Those Japanese girls following her around were her back up dancers and her entourage during the promo of that album. She was influenced by the japanese culture for that album so she incoporated them into. I thought it was a brilliant thing that Gwen did by having these four young woman who she named as the Harauku girls to be her muse and incorporate their style into her music. Instead of saying she was influenced, she had the influence actually work with her.


Anyway, back to Gaga

I do agree. She does play a bit of a victim. She took Madonna's mash up of Born this way and express yourself to heart. I think she said on stage during the BTW tour that it was mean and she wasn't going to rise to it. How was it mean? Madonna has a very sly sense of humor. It can come across as harsh and bitchy, but if anything she is making fun of herself and what is being said about her and she did that with Born this way being accused of sounding like Express yourself.

However i do not think she is a bully at all. Just very sensitive and fragile. But i feel she has a lot of responsibility in what her fans do to other artists. She may not have a gun to their heads telling to be nasty to other people, but it's their undying devotion to her on what leads to nasty behaviour. Perhaps telling her fans to leave other artists wouldn't be a hard job, would it? She says she can't stand hate towards the gay community but she shouldn't stand for hate full stop in whatever areas

And as for Perez Hilton, he is a nasty horrible man who will be up the arse of today's biggest popstar but when they see a decline in sales, he soon turns against them. His nasty behaviour towards Kesha was of a bullying nature/
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Old 30-05-2014, 16:29
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Gaga also tried the same trick with Madonna but failed after the Born This Way mash up. Madonna very cleverly won that whole argument as she highlighted how similar the songs were by merging them together. Gaga had no comeback other than to play innocent victim. Even Elton John made an arse of himself and had to apologise over that whole thing. Classic.
I saw a recentish article where Gaga says Madonna was aggravated by her not caring about her when in all honesty I doubt Gaga crosses Madonna's mind very often.

She also said she doesn't "want Madonna's throne" because she has her own... but then backtracking in the same interview saying she doesn't want her own throne because she doesn't think she is a queen... :s confusing!!

I haven't seen the Elton John stuff though, do you have any links of his apology? I like to read up about this stuff. Thanks
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Old 30-05-2014, 16:31
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Perhaps telling her fans to leave other artists wouldn't be a hard job, would it? She says she can't stand hate towards the gay community but she shouldn't stand for hate full stop in whatever areas.
Absolutely little-monster, hate should never be tolerated no matter who it's directed at and I can't help but feel Gaga eggs people on indirectly.
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Old 30-05-2014, 16:46
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No. Bono beats her hands-down.
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Old 30-05-2014, 17:49
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Absolutely little-monster, hate should never be tolerated no matter who it's directed at and I can't help but feel Gaga eggs people on indirectly.
Agree absolutely and have been shot down in the past for saying so. Whether directly or indirectly by not speaking out to her follows she gives the impression it is acceptable and allows their behaviour to continue. which is ironic as she is the first to complain when directed toward her but when directed toward others she keeps silent.
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Old 30-05-2014, 17:54
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You know how in Lord of the rings, it says "one ring to rule them all"

When Lady gaga does boast about her albums, she does as if they are one album to rule them all
I don't dislike her and am a fan and will stand up for when needed, but my small issue with her is when she bigs her albums too much

Born this way was meant to be the album to define the generation
Artpop was meant to take pop music to a different place and be groundbreaking

Both albums were great but neither did any of what she claimed for them to do
She seriously needs to stop overhyping herself.
its arrogant, arrogant, ARROGANT
And she DOESNT deliver the goods. The amount of drivel she spouted about ARTPOP "reverse Warholian"etc and the actual MUSIC (which is what its about not self aggrandising guff) was pretty pedestrian. The singles campaign has been a MESS.
I think she pronounces what she WANTS her image & music to be, not what it is.
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Old 30-05-2014, 17:58
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I think she had big reality check or some sort of breakdown around the Artpop release, tweeting crap like "Gags didn't go #1 Katy is better than Gaga" she contradicts herself every time she opens her mouth, she should go away and find her self again, she's an absolute tragic mess atm
I think sometimes Gaga needs to keep away from Twitter. She's like James Arthur at times. She's her own worst enemy. Twitter is not a place to bitch about your career-esp if youre a celebrity
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Old 30-05-2014, 17:59
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I've really tried to like her on more than one occasion but I just can't warm to her. A little pretention never hurt anyone but the degrees she goes to are just unbearable.

She seems to have a developed a severe case of kanye west syndrome since about 2010 and she also displays a kind of victim complex at times which is just plain annoying.

I find the vast majority of her videos/performances impossible to enjoy as they are just so incredibly self-indulgent.
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Old 30-05-2014, 18:05
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I don't think 'self-righteous' was too far off the mark. I mean to claim your next piece of work is some sort of masterpiece is just asking for people to be like 'oh no it is not'. It's just setting yourself up for a fall. She's come across quite mature in the past so I found it surprising for her to make such naive mistakes such as that.

She's also losing her relatability. Other eccentric artists have a tendency to show alot of human qualities aswell, whether it's with a sense of humour or just a down-to-earth attitude of 'I just do what I want to do'.
If you're going to wear a crazy outfit in public then you win people over by acting like you're just having a bit of fun. The problem comes when you take yourself too seriously because it stops people laughing with you and instead makes them laugh at you.
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Old 30-05-2014, 19:45
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Arctic Monkeys give her a run for her money.
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Old 30-05-2014, 21:10
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No. Bono beats her hands-down.
From an interfering in politics and social perspective, absolutely. In terms of image Gaga has it sewn up.
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