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Old 30-05-2014, 21:23
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Arctic Monkeys give her a run for her money.
Indeed. Along with Bono.
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Old 30-05-2014, 23:11
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From an interfering in politics and social perspective, absolutely. In terms of image Gaga has it sewn up.
Bono isn't pretentious in regard to economics, he has read up on the subject and is quite competent in talking about economic theory at the highest level with Presidents, economists and other political leaders. Why should pop stars be singleminded and only interested in music?

Brian Eno is an artist, musician, producer and systems thinker. Like other intellectuals and cultural theorists he provides insights into many aspects of culture including architecture and management practice.

Gaga is not Eno or Bono but she aspires to be understood as an artist.
Why shouldn't she have more aspirations than just selling records? Doesn't everyone?
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Old 31-05-2014, 09:43
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Bono isn't pretentious in regard to economics, he has read up on the subject and is quite competent in talking about economic theory at the highest level with Presidents, economists and other political leaders. Why should pop stars be singleminded and only interested in music?

Brian Eno is an artist, musician, producer and systems thinker. Like other intellectuals and cultural theorists he provides insights into many aspects of culture including architecture and management practice.

Gaga is not Eno or Bono but she aspires to be understood as an artist.
Why shouldn't she have more aspirations than just selling records? Doesn't everyone?
The problem is her artistic pretentions are just that: pretentions. Her wacky.imagery has become stale & her music is not great art-its just pop.
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Old 31-05-2014, 10:54
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The problem is her artistic pretentions are just that: pretentions. Her wacky.imagery has become stale & her music is not great art-its just pop.
The OP has worked through the various epithets of 'Self-Righteous', 'Hypocritical' to settle on 'Pretentious'. The last term is at least a little less morally condemnatory than the earlier terms but I think all of this thread is somewhat confused and says more about the people posting it than it does about Gaga.

Gaga only aspires to art not great art and the only requirement for something to be art is that we accept it as art. A lot of pop music is art, some of it is great art (The Beatles, VU, Prince) some of it is utter garbage.

Also artists, even great artists, go through indifferent periods but you judge then on the artistic artefacts they produce through the course of a career. And so far Gaga stands up quite well.

I'm not a Gaga fan but some of her music and imagery is beautiful and disgraceful at the same time. And she is far from the most pretentious artist ever.
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Old 31-05-2014, 12:05
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Bono isn't pretentious in regard to economics, he has read up on the subject and is quite competent in talking about economic theory at the highest level with Presidents, economists and other political leaders. Why should pop stars be singleminded and only interested in music?

Brian Eno is an artist, musician, producer and systems thinker. Like other intellectuals and cultural theorists he provides insights into many aspects of culture including architecture and management practice.

Gaga is not Eno or Bono but she aspires to be understood as an artist.
Why shouldn't she have more aspirations than just selling records? Doesn't everyone?
No reason why she can't have aspirations. Unfortunately, unlike Bono & Eno, she doesn't have anything to back it up with.
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