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Nigel Goodwin
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“1080i has a resolution of 1920 x 1080. A full-HD TV has a resolution of 1920 x 1080. It can display 1920 x 1080 pixels.”

But as it quite probably has a poorer picture than a better quality HD Ready set it's obviously not displaying the correct 1920x1080 pixels - which is where your entire silly argument falls down.

In case you weren't aware, a Full HD also scales the picture to make as well - unless it has 'Pixel Perfect' or a similar scheme where it's 'supposedly' pixel for pixel. However, as the transmission is VERY highly compressed, with most of the information discarded, what you actually get still depends entirely on the processing inside the TV.
d'@ve
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“So then it fails to be 1080 hence you aren't displaying 1080. The only thing you are doing is inputting at 1080.”

It's displaying 1080 at 720 or 768, losing a bit more detail in the process on top of the mass of detail that high compression ratios have already strpped it of. It's an HD Ready TV doing what the HD Ready definition says it should do.

My computer graphics does something similar, when I view HD TV broadcasts from my TV satellite tuner card on my smaller 1024 x 768 or 1280 x 1024 monitors, instead of my main 1920 x 1080 monitor.
Mythica
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“But as it quite probably has a poorer picture than a better quality HD Ready set it's obviously not displaying the correct 1920x1080 pixels - which is where your entire silly argument falls down.

In case you weren't aware, a Full HD also scales the picture to make as well - unless it has 'Pixel Perfect' or a similar scheme where it's 'supposedly' pixel for pixel. However, as the transmission is VERY highly compressed, with most of the information discarded, what you actually get still depends entirely on the processing inside the TV.”

My argument is true and 100% fact. Not silly at all. Why you keep bringing in the argument about a better picture on a decent HD Ready set over a poor Full HD set is beyond me as know one is even arguing that.
Mythica
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“It's displaying 1080 at 720 or 768, losing a bit more detail in the process on top of the mass of detail that high compression ratios have already strpped it of. It's an HD Ready TV doing what the HD Ready definition says it should do.

My computer graphics does something similar, when I view HD TV broadcasts from my TV satellite tuner card on my smaller 1024 x 768 or 1280 x 1024 monitors, instead of my main 1920 x 1080 monitor.”

No. It's inputting at 1080i/p and outputting or displaying at the native resolution of the set.
d'@ve
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“No. It's inputting at 1080i/p and outputting or displaying at the native resolution of the set.”

No it isn't. On my computer I can display any input from any standard FTA satellite broadcast signal (SD or HD) on any monitor at any aspect ratio and size I like: screen-fill, stretchyvision, ultra stretchyvision, thinny vision, upscaled, downscaled, up and downscaled, zoomed in, windowed, pan-scan, 16:9, 21:9, 4:3, whatever. It's all done using the same scalers. Displaying SD or HD inputs just like a TV, except that my computer software (DVBViewer) and graphics scalers allow more flexibility than most TVs.
Nigel Goodwin
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“My argument is true and 100% fact. Not silly at all. Why you keep bringing in the argument about a better picture on a decent HD Ready set over a poor Full HD set is beyond me as know one is even arguing that.”

Because your point of view is complete nonsense - what do the numbers matter when it's simply making the picture worse, and isn't mapping pixel for pixel as you keep claiming.

As already suggested, you appear to just be a troll, continually posting nonsense and trying to get a thread full of rubbish going on and on?.
Mythica
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by d'@ve:
“No it isn't. On my computer I can display any input from any standard FTA satellite broadcast signal (SD or HD) on any monitor at any aspect ratio and size I like: screen-fill, stretchyvision, ultra stretchyvision, thinny vision, upscaled, downscaled, up and downscaled, zoomed in, windowed, pan-scan, 16:9, 21:9, 4:3, whatever. It's all done using the same scalers. Displaying SD or HD inputs just like a TV, except that my computer software (DVBViewer) and graphics scalers allow more flexibility than most TVs.”

I wasn't talking about your computer
Mythica
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“Because your point of view is complete nonsense - what do the numbers matter when it's simply making the picture worse, and isn't mapping pixel for pixel as you keep claiming.

As already suggested, you appear to just be a troll, continually posting nonsense and trying to get a thread full of rubbish going on and on?.”

Nonsense? I don't think so. It's pretty easy to understand. A HD Ready TV can't display 1080i/p. It can input 1080i/p and the TV will output at the native resolution. The HD Ready spec uses display in the wrong way. It should state a HD Ready TV has to input at 1080i.

I don't care what anyone thinks. Using the English definition of words used to describe something proves I'm right.
d'@ve
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“I wasn't talking about your computer”

What were you talking about, then? Digital satellite FTA TV via my TV tuner card uses the same technology, 'stretching' and scaling methodology as digital satellite FTA TV.

Didn't you know that?
Deacon1972
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“Nonsense? I don't think so. It's pretty easy to understand. A HD Ready TV can't display 1080i/p. It can input 1080i/p and the TV will output at the native resolution. The HD Ready spec uses display in the wrong way. It should state a HD Ready TV has to input at 1080i.

I don't care what anyone thinks. Using the English definition of words used to describe something proves I'm right.”

EICTA HD ready spec uses the word accept not display......

1. Display, display engine  The minimum native resolution of the display or display engine is 720 physical lines in wide aspect ratio. 2. Video Interfaces  The display device accepts HD input via: o Analogue YPbPr 1, and o DVI or HDMI  HD capable inputs accept the following HD video formats: o 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive (“720p”), and o 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”)  The DVI or HDMI input supports content protection (HDCP)

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct...68445247,d.d2k
bobcar
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“1080i has a resolution of 1920 x 1080. A full-HD TV has a resolution of 1920 x 1080. It can display 1920 x 1080 pixels.”

Yes they have the same resolution but there is more to displaying than resolution. The panel has to convert from interlaced and in doing so will lose resolution (as well as introducing other distortions), you just refuse to understand this. I'll repeat, since you say it won't lose resolution perhaps you could explain the mechanism as to how it manages this?
grahamlthompson
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“No. It's inputting at 1080i/p and outputting or displaying at the native resolution of the set.”

More rubbish, using a PC you can display any video or still image at any scale you want. The higher the resolution you set the graphics card the more you see on the screen, but of course everything is smaller.

Clearly you have zero experience of using video editing or graphics editing software. You can display individual pixels irrespective of the maximum resolution of the actual display. If you want to see the image at 1:1 to check the result of any filters/editing it's a single mouse click.

Have you never changed the screen resolution your PC uses ? Hint right click on the desktop and choose graphics properties.
grahamlthompson
05-06-2014
Originally Posted by Mythica:
“I wasn't talking about your computer”

The computer connects to display that works exactly the same as your TV does.

It could even be your TV.
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